The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Raoul said:
What time are we expecting the main fight to start ?
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10:15 BST on SkyBet app is an estimate. I'd say closer to 11.

I'm going to tune in around 10 to make sure I don't miss the walk outs etc.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
You can't mean his fitness or how seriously he took it. So I imagine you are referring to him having the wrong game plan, which could essentially be argued as the reason any fighter lost any fight ever.
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Exactly. Vlad has always been efficiently, boringly professional. He prepared fine for this fight but he only ever has one go-to game plan which annoyed everybody for years because nobody could truly put him to the test until Fury and AJ. Men who were his equal physically and had the skills to offer him a test.

ivaldo said:
Luck in that Wlad came into the match completely unprepared. As RAB said Klitschko stepped into the ring expecting it to be a routine bout, no different to any other fight he had had in the last decade (Povetkin excluded). Joshua did not get that luxury. I think Fury knows this, and the whole "lack of motivation" story he had continually spun since, right down to the admittance he was downed 3 times in training, was just his way of avoiding a rematch or a test against another quality boxer like Joshua. Seems plenty have bought it.
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AJ wasn't even in a position to fight Fury until he beat Klitschko and Fury was already on a downward spiral by that point. So fighting AJ was a bit of an afterthought at that time, it was other names in the mix for Fury after beating Vlad.

Besides I don't believe the stuff they come out with after a loss. To somebody like Vlad who sat on his high horse all his career thinking people like Fury were just disrespectful scumbags, it would have hurt losing against him. That's why he can be gracious in defeat to people that were respectful, like AJ, but will come up with every excuse as to why he lost to Fury. The thing is even I knew Fury could beat him, as did many others. Why didn't Vlad know this? He'd realise what he was about if he even watched one fight of Fury's. To say it was a run of the mill fight was laughable. For once he had a guy bigger than him, that could nullify his main weapon (his jab) and could move better than him. Alarm bells should have been ringing.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
He can say what he likes. It is not the root of the problem. The reason he is lacking motivation is because he was busy throwing his career high pay day up his nose.

You seem to be very emotionally invested in this. No need to be.

Wlad had the same game plan Emanuel Steward had given him years before. The same one he had given to Lewis late in his career. The same game plan that saw him dominate the entire division for years on end.

Ironic that his obsession with being champion only lead him to take the Joshua fight seriously.
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Emotionally invested? Because I have a differing opinion to you? I’m not the one defending what is a generally unlikeable man.

Yeah he can say what he likes. You’re the one choosing to ignore what these boxers have said to come to your own unsubstantiated conclusion. You seem to have this mixed up. He wasn’t lacking motivation up until the title fight was he? Or are we to believe he was throwing his pay days up his nose prior to the Wlad fight? Is it just a coincidence he decided to throw his career away at this precise moment?

Fury had spent his career telling everyone he was the best in the world, comparing himself to the greats of the sport. He fought one WC boxer and won his first belt. He then retired, declaring himself a retired, undefeated world champion. If he loses it shatters his ego and invalidates everything he said before. In his mind the easiest way to secure his legacy is to not fight anyone else. He can’t lose that way.

Yeah exactly! He hadn’t needed to do anything for years because the fighters he came up against were the worst bunch of heavyweights we’ve ever seen. Ask yourself: do you think Wlad used the exact same game plan against Joshua that he had against Fury and everyone else of the last decade? Did he weigh in incredibly light by accident, or did he actually look to adjust for his opponent?

Fury was a good boxer, the best Wlad had fought for a while. As you have so kindly pointed out, he had prepared the exact same way he had done for every other bum he’d dominated for the recent past. He had become complacent. The way he prepared for the Joshua fight, coming off the back of his first loss in 10 years, was entirely different. I'm not saying Fury wouldn't have beaten Klitschko if the situations were reversed, but we certainly wouldn't have seen a non entity like we did in 2015.
pocco said:
AJ wasn't even in a position to fight Fury until he beat Klitschko and Fury was already on a downward spiral by that point. So fighting AJ was a bit of an afterthought at that time, it was other names in the mix for Fury after beating Vlad.

Besides I don't believe the stuff they come out with after a loss. To somebody like Vlad who sat on his high horse all his career thinking people like Fury were just disrespectful scumbags, it would have hurt losing against him. That's why he can be gracious in defeat to people that were respectful, like AJ, but will come up with every excuse as to why he lost to Fury. The thing is even I knew Fury could beat him, as did many others. Why didn't Vlad know this? He'd realise what he was about if he even watched one fight of Fury's. To say it was a run of the mill fight was laughable. For once he had a guy bigger than him, that could nullify his main weapon (his jab) and could move better than him. Alarm bells should have been ringing.
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To be fair he's not wrong. Fury is a disrespecting scumbag. I can't find any respect for a man who has said the things he has and who hold the views that he does.

Fury was on a downward spiral the moment he won against Klitschko. Having to defend his title was an unnecessary risk to him. Easier to retire and claim you're the best then actually go out and prove it.

Should have been, but wasn't. Lets be honest Fury wasn't exactly pulling up trees at that stage in his career. Plenty feel he should have lot his 0 against McDermott and he got floored by a journeyman in Steve Cunningham and a nomark in Pajkic. The only names of note on his record was Chisora and to a lesser extent Hammer. You're massively exaggerating what Fury was going into that fight.
 
The Bloody-Nine said:
No, I didn't. Why do you feel the need to lie?


Would you like more links agreeing with me (and others in this thread) that the 'fight' was one of the worst HW title fights of all time? I can easily provide them.

Also, I've been a fan of boxing longer than you've been alive. I don't like Fury because he's a misogynistic, homophobic drug cheat who attracts clueless fanboys like you. But hey, you found Fury landing 86 arm punches in 12 rounds a masterclass, so I should probably ignore you.
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You just keep on giving don’t you? :lol: So you’re older yet act like you’re 12? Let it go man!

What’s funny is I don’t even like Fury! You’ve got a personal hatred for him and it comes across in your posts. I just corrected you and respect the guys skill and what he did in the ring. You’re just arguing with yourself at this point.
 
We are gonna see what AJ is made of. Looking forward to this.
 
Habs said:
You just keep on giving don’t you? :lol: So you’re older yet act like you’re 12? Let it go man!

What’s funny is I don’t even like Fury! You’ve got a personal hatred for him and it comes across in your posts. I just corrected you and respect the guys skill and what he did in the ring. You’re just arguing with yourself at this point.
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I'm not sure you know what 'correct' means. Enjoy the fight, anyway.
 
ivaldo said:
Emotionally invested? Because I have a differing opinion to you? I’m not the one defending what is a generally unlikeable man.

Yeah he can say what he likes. You’re the one choosing to ignore what these boxers have said to come to your own unsubstantiated conclusion. You seem to have this mixed up. He wasn’t lacking motivation up until the title fight was he? Or are we to believe he was throwing his pay days up his nose prior to the Wlad fight? Is it just a coincidence he decided to throw his career away at this precise moment?

Fury had spent his career telling everyone he was the best in the world, comparing himself to the greats of the sport. He fought one WC boxer and won his first belt. He then retired, declaring himself a retired, undefeated world champion. If he loses it shatters his ego and invalidates everything he said before. In his mind the easiest way to secure his legacy is to not fight anyone else. He can’t lose that way.

Yeah exactly! He hadn’t needed to do anything for years because the fighters he came up against were the worst bunch of heavyweights we’ve ever seen. Ask yourself: do you think Wlad used the exact same game plan against Joshua that he had against Fury and everyone else of the last decade? Did he weigh in incredibly light by accident, or did he actually look to adjust for his opponent?

Fury was a good boxer, the best Wlad had fought for a while. As you have so kindly pointed out, he had prepared the exact same way he had done for every other bum he’d dominated for the recent past. He had become complacent. The way he prepared for the Joshua fight, coming off the back of his first loss in 10 years, was entirely different. I'm not saying Fury wouldn't have beaten Klitschko if the situations were reversed, but we certainly wouldn't have seen a non entity like we did in 2015.

To be fair he's not wrong. Fury is a disrespecting scumbag. I can't find any respect for a man who has said the things he has and who hold the views that he does.

Fury was on a downward spiral the moment he won against Klitschko. Having to defend his title was an unnecessary risk to him. Easier to retire and claim you're the best then actually go out and prove it.

Should have been, but wasn't. Lets be honest Fury wasn't exactly pulling up trees at that stage in his career. Plenty feel he should have lot his 0 against McDermott and he got floored by a journeyman in Steve Cunningham and a nomark in Pajkic. The only names of note on his record was Chisora and to a lesser extent Hammer. You're massively exaggerating what Fury was going into that fight.
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He absolutely lost against McDermott in their first fight. And as you say, he was floored by a cruiserweight and had to resort to cheating to win. Cheating seems to be a theme with his family, given both he and Hughie were popped.
 
Looks like Joshua might be a bit later than advertised, fights going distance. Depends on Price fight but that starts a bit later than planned.
 
There’s something about heavyweight boxing isn’t there. I’m not a big boxing fan at all but as soon as a heavyweight big fight is on I can’t wait to see them go at it.
 
Snowjoe said:
There’s something about heavyweight boxing isn’t there. I’m not a big boxing fan at all but as soon as a heavyweight big fight is on I can’t wait to see them go at it.
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100%. That Joshua klitschko fight brought a lot of people back to the sport and put focus on that division.
 
Snowjoe said:
There’s something about heavyweight boxing isn’t there. I’m not a big boxing fan at all but as soon as a heavyweight big fight is on I can’t wait to see them go at it.
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Definitely. I know a few people who generally don't care for boxing but do tune in for the big HW fights - but at the same time could care less about the so called big fights in the lighter weight divisions.
 
Raoul said:
Definitely. I know a few people who generally don't care for boxing but do tune in for the big HW fights - but at the same time could care less about the so called big fights in the lighter weight divisions.
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So they do care about them? I’m still not sure what the right way to say that is
 
Garethw said:
We are gonna see what AJ is made of. Looking forward to this.
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Not against Parker we won't Anyone pays to watch these "fights" are mental . People keep paying crazy money to watch AJ taking easy fights is why we won't see him taking on Wilder or anyone else more than half decent

I'm aware Parker has a world belt but he is easily one of the poorest fighters to ever hold one .This is not going to be competitive unless there really is a reason AJ's team protect him so much
 
lsd said:
Not against Parker we won't Anyone pays to watch these "fights" are mental . People keep paying crazy money to watch AJ taking easy fights is why we won't see him taking on Wilder or anyone else more than half decent

I'm aware Parker has a world belt but he is easily one of the poorest fighters to ever hold one .This is not going to be competitive unless there really is a reason AJ's team protect him so much
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There's also the possibility that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Parker is not an easy fight. He also isn't,'one of the poorest fighters to hold one'.
 
lsd said:
Not against Parker we won't Anyone pays to watch these "fights" are mental . People keep paying crazy money to watch AJ taking easy fights is why we won't see him taking on Wilder or anyone else more than half decent

I'm aware Parker has a world belt but he is easily one of the poorest fighters to ever hold one .This is not going to be competitive unless there really is a reason AJ's team protect him so much
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Feel free to quote me on this when the fight finally happens, but I reckon Parker will give Joshua a tougher fight than Wilder. Wilder doesn't impress me in the slightest, but Parker has guts.
 
Decent opening round from Price actually.
 
If Price survives 4 rounds I'll be impressed. That's without falling over from exhaustion. If Povetkin actually hits him he's f*cked.
 
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