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The beyond baffling decision to fight GGG....at a complete non catchweight MW, more or less made Brook a name, but killed his career. Why he didn't take these Spence kind of fights instead of GGG I don't know, unless they simply didn't come his way and the GGG fight was needed to make them come his way I dunno.
It's the same for Khan too, even at a catchweight, the Canelo fight was pointless. Especially given the pool of talent in and around welterweight.
It's the same for Khan too, even at a catchweight, the Canelo fight was pointless. Especially given the pool of talent in and around welterweight.
Money.
Brook vs Spence (or any other top welterweight outside of Floyd/Manny/Khan) would not have been a PPV fight if it happened before the Golovkin fight. The Golovkin fight absolutely raised Brook's profile. Honestly can't blame him for taking the fight.
Brooks been on UK PPV fighting legit no ones this would of been too, regardless of GGG, given neither GGG or Spence made PPV in the states. Khan and Brook have simply been used, albeit compensated exceptionally to raise the profile of GGG and Canelo in the UK, a booming market right now, not overly the other way round, though it has helped Brook...marginally. Prior to these odd fights, Canelo-GGG doesn't make PPV in the UK, it probably does now.
Be a good time for Khan to fight Brook now but it won't be until later next year if they can come to an agreement and that's even if Brook fights again.
Brook said after the fight that the doc told him that if the GGG fight had gone on much longer he'd have been blinded. That came to his mind after his other eye went, unsurprisingly.
He probably should quit now tbh- the obvious massive risks are there.
It's a shame that it's come to this for Kell. Hopefully he can still go on but he needs a bit of downtime to properly recuperate and then he needs to fight a few comfortable fights at a better weight for him, before mixing it with other top level fighters again.
I think he's technically the best British boxer quite easily, he just tires too easily at Welter and this has been an issue for a while now. His timing, punch selection and defence is great to watch. One thing I've always admired about him is the ability to find an opening on the counter when he's being swarmed by opposition. He showed it a number of times last night and I think he'd have won if he was natural at the weight and could have kept his energy levels up. He's got an amazing chin on him too.
I think he's technically the best British boxer quite easily, he just tires too easily at Welter and this has been an issue for a while now. His timing, punch selection and defence is great to watch. One thing I've always admired about him is the ability to find an opening on the counter when he's being swarmed by opposition. He showed it a number of times last night and I think he'd have won if he was natural at the weight and could have kept his energy levels up. He's got an amazing chin on him too.
Brook should of never taken the GGG fight and it shouldn't of been made. I'm all for jumping up in weight but not against someone like GGG. It's a shocking amount of responsibility shown not just by Brook but also Hearn. He's meant to have the interest of the fighters in his mind as well and though he rightfully gets praised for putting some great cards on that was a horrible mismatch and has potentially seriously damaged the career of Brook. I'm glad Brook took a knee as it's not good to take serious damage like that health is more important than our entertainment but physically he's done now. Anyone who fights him is going to have the same tactic. I don't know how he recovers from it really.
Agree. I place the blame on Hearn and Ingle. Can't blame a boxer for wanting the big fights, esp when your domestic rival fought Canelo (another stupid move). It's bordering on negligence I'd say and Kell's career is fecked now as the sensible and obvious advice would be for Brook to call it a day. Considering there's the money fight with Khan that should have been there for him, then to say it's a shame is an understatement. I'm sure the weight cut had a big contribution to his injury also. Joanna champion was saying in an interview she was getting injuries/fractured hands etc (IIRC)before she moved to ATT and got a live-in nutritionist/cook to perfect the making weight process so it seems logical that this would've been a significant factor. Not saying he would have beaten Spence, but I had him up at around R5 I think, before he tired dramatically and the sheer weight of shots from Spence started to tell. Should have been closer but in retrospect too many factors were against him. Damn shame.
Eubank Jr vs Arthur Abraham on the cards too for mid-July in London.
It might have looked like that but the difference was from the first bell whenever Brook threw good punches Spencer had a high guard so those he didn't slip, he could parry or at least take the edge off the punches. Where as when Spencer threw Brook had a low guard so was connecting very clean blows time and again with no protection. Spencer as a southpaw was using the angles better than Brook too. Brook was tough as old boots but taking clean punches time and again while your opponent is blocking yours, well the fight will only go one way. It was a sustained break down, which saw poor Kell become more and more of a wonded animal.
Spencer is very good though, his transition from defense and attack leaves little to no countering opportunities. Very tight hard to penetrate defense, good combinations, no mistakes until he tired a little (and most boxers make countless mistakes) and just technically very sound.
Great watch that
In an alternative universe somewhere whittaker and hamed are having a dance off for the championship of the world
I can't wait for this one. Kovalev deserved the decision first time around IMO and I'm hoping he wins convincingly this time. He seems like a properly mean bastard, but I find some of his interviews hilarious.
Tic tic tic tic tic
First Gennady, now Kovalev
First Gennady, now Kovalev
I'm going to be at this fight. I hope Kovalev wins by KO. He was robbed last time and I just find Andre Ward and is team unbareable. A crybaby even in "victory" and his team have gone to great heights to try and portray the fight was some kind of Corrales-Castillo act of courage and a real win. Should have just accepted they want to leave no doubt, Kovalev was a great opponent and moved on instead all this crying, accusing people of not knowing how to score a fight, claims of disrespect and talk of destroying Kovalev mentally and taking him to school.
That's awesome that you're getting to go. Jealous as feck! Agree completely about Ward. He annoys the feck out of me, and the judges seemed to give him every possible benefit of the doubt on the cards last time.
I think they simply just made stuff up too. Round 10 was a dominant Kovalev round, more clear than any Ward round but had they given it to Kovalev that would have meant Ward would have lost on points before round 11 started. ALL three scored for Ward and even the 12th Ward stopped throwing punches halfway through because he got hurt by a body punch and Kovalev clearly won that yet 2 out of 3 gave him the round to give him a 1 point win. I have no doubt those judges decided before the fight who they were going to give the decision to regardless of the action.
Even the non bias people who think it was a close fight (1 or 2 points for Kovalev) were giving Ward credit in the second half of the fight because he wasn't getting dominated as badly as the first half. It's a habit some people do when a fighter does a bit better. I saw him do better, but not enough to dominate late. I clearly gave Kovalev round 10 and 12 and another meaning the back 6 was no worse than 4-2 and very possibly 3-3. He just held a bit more effectively and landed his left a bit more but wasn't virtuoso performance his PR team have been trying to spin. It's more Kovalev let off a bit and spotted him "some" rounds.
Awful decision. One of the worst I've seen.
Kovalev looks well up for this but who do you think wins this next week? Can not wait by the way!! Come one Krusher Kovalev!!
Ward's going to win yo. Will be more comfortable for him but I reckon it'll be a MD rather than a UD.
That's because only 1 of the judges (Weisfeld) is any good. A SD is not beyond question, but Kovalev will look to finish it of course, rather than leave it at the mercy of the scorecards and old school US judges/dinosaurs like Moratti and Feldman.
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Khurtsidze's WBO MW title clash with BJS scheduled for July 8th has been cancelled due to his arrest in the US, in relation to his alleged involvement with Russian mafia, specifically racketeering offences.
Members of the organized crime group have been charged with a number of crimes ranging from smuggling cigarettes, stealing goods, including 10.000 pounds (4.5 tons) of chocolate and confectionery, drug possession, racketeering, selling stolen and giving bribes to the organization of illegal gambling, storage and sale of weapons, looting, drug trafficking and contract killings.
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Members of the organized crime group have been charged with a number of crimes ranging from smuggling cigarettes, stealing goods, including 10.000 pounds (4.5 tons) of chocolate and confectionery, drug possession, racketeering, selling stolen and giving bribes to the organization of illegal gambling, storage and sale of weapons, looting, drug trafficking and contract killings.
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That score for Haskins then in that SD win for Ryan Burnett was outrageous and stank of corruption
For anyone that missed the fight, Haskins was dropped twice, fought with 1 arm for at least 5 rounds, was given a 119-107 loss by both other judges and yet 1 of the judges scored it 118-108 in his favour.
For anyone that missed the fight, Haskins was dropped twice, fought with 1 arm for at least 5 rounds, was given a 119-107 loss by both other judges and yet 1 of the judges scored it 118-108 in his favour.
He must have filled the card out wrongThat score for Haskins then in that SD win for Ryan Burnett was outrageous and stank of corruption
For anyone that missed the fight, Haskins was dropped twice, fought with 1 arm for at least 5 rounds, was given a 119-107 loss by both other judges and yet 1 of the judges scored it 118-108 in his favour.
BBBoC Chair Robert Smith saying he'll never be allowed to judge in this country again. For him to score it in favour of Haskins legitimately, he must have believed Haskins won every single round including the two knockdown rounds as 9-9.
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That score for Haskins then in that SD win for Ryan Burnett was outrageous and stank of corruption
For anyone that missed the fight, Haskins was dropped twice, fought with 1 arm for at least 5 rounds, was given a 119-107 loss by both other judges and yet 1 of the judges scored it 118-108 in his favour.
Just read about that. Boxing certainly doesn't help itself at times.Anyone see the mike perez fight 17 seconds looks like your man took a dive, Perez was ripped though, he put in the gym with to get to cruiserweight.
That score for Haskins then in that SD win for Ryan Burnett was outrageous and stank of corruption
For anyone that missed the fight, Haskins was dropped twice, fought with 1 arm for at least 5 rounds, was given a 119-107 loss by both other judges and yet 1 of the judges scored it 118-108 in his favour.
Hearn's theory is he got them mixed up which is the only logical explanation if it's not a case of corruption (which it pretty definitely is)
the particular judge is ancient, in his 80's. He asked a nearby photographer who was Haskins, as per Hearn:
"I mean, this is scary. He apparently asked one of the photographers which one was Lee Haskins after round one or two."
Surely if someone is going to be bought they wouldn't make it seem this obvious. I dunno, not saying it's the truth but I can believe the mixed result.
Can't believe Feldman has gotten the nod. Awful judge has given some disgusting scorecards over the years (Pacquaio-Marquez 116-112 fight III and Rios over Abril), there's no doubt he's going for the home guy here regardless of the action. I would hope that the other two judges have it in mind that Kovalev really deserves a makeup call so that if this fight is close like 115-113 either way he gets the decision.
I think it's either basically the same fight - Kovalev hurts him, outboxes him and keeps him on the end of his jab and wins around 8-4 but god knows what the cards would read OR - Ward feels a bit more a need to prove himself and fights a bit more and in that case gets stopped. I'm not that happy with Weeks as the ref as he will probably let Ward do his usual grab, hold, wrestle style which makes it a boring fight but then again Kovalev didn't allow himself to be bullied last time like that and didn't let Ward get much "done" inside.
I'm about 85% sure Kovalev wins the fight, but around 65% he walks out with the "win".
Getting excited now. Off to Vegas in the morning. It's sad the has been next no buzz about it and even less now that joke of a "fight" has been signed. Going with Kovalev by KO. I just hope we get a fair refereeing display. You know a ref that punishes coming in with your head, low blows, rabbit punching, hitting and holding and Ward's excessive clinching and fair judging. If it was Joe Cortez from Mayweather-Hatton it would be a 3-4 round win for Kovalev.
I'm jealous haha. Enjoy it mate. Roc Nation should just give up boxing. If they can't promote this fight then there really is no hope. I heard there were still tickets available a few days ago, maybe even now. I'm going for a late stoppage for Kovalev. He'll keep Ward at range and just pummel him round after round. Jackson would have drilled Kovalev to have a high punch output every round to dimimish any chance this goes against him on the score cards.
Enjoy the fight @Inter Yer Nan and let's hope to see Kovalev destroy Ward.
Honestly, it's all about the clinching. He dealt with it well last time, but it obviously drains you a little, so if either the ref is on his game or they have made an adjustment to minimize further I believe its a simple fight.
Roc Nation are awful. I don't know why they are in the game and were so insistent on the whole promotion. I went to the last fight too and at least it seemed like a fairly big event because Main Events was carrying it. I had mates come with us last time that tried to get cheap tickets around $100 and they weren't available yet this time I'm hearing $100 gets you a floor seat! The last fight was at T-Mobile too so 18,000 attendance this is at Mandalay which is 12,000. I think they will be lucky to get 7,000.
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