Someone needs to stop this, Briggs is taking a beating.
The RedCafe Boxing Thread
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With regards to Chisora i wonder if people realize that Haye isn't a total cop out for not taking the fight. When you see the contract Chisora signed you have to say if that's what they wanted Haye to sign you can see why he's holding out for something a bit better.
I almost agree. The thing that makes me a bit sceptical is that he signed a contract to fight one of the Klitchkos before, yet had to pull out injured.
Two ways of looking at that one:
1. He genuinely suffered a back injury, or,
2. He pulled out because he wouldn't have received a penny for the fight. At that time Haye was signed with Setanta. That is where his purse was coming from. Setanta then went under a few weeks before the fight was due to take place. If he had tried to pull out of the fight he would've been sued into Bolivian by the Bitchkos. Hence the "injury."
Or are you referring to the fact that he signed a contract in the first place?
Sorry Lance, I forgot I'd posted in this thread. I was referring to the fact he had signed a contract in the first place. Could the new contract have been that different to the original one?
No. The difference is, when he initially signed the contract, he was just another contender, who had only had a couple of fights at HW. If he wanted the fight to happen, he had no choice but to accept their terms.
Now, he holds a version of the HW title, so he is in a position where he doesn't have to be dictated to. Basically, they need him as much as he needs them.
Yes, you're probably right. All this posturing is beginning to annoy me though. They need to get a fight made for the good of the division!
The HW division is beyond help, IMO. It is terrible.
Been terrible for a decade.
The last great HW fight was in 2003.
Just watching Harrison on Sky news and he is sure talking the talk , but I dont think he can walk the walk.
The last time I saw him fight he was dreadful , in fact I have not seen a good fight from him.
Haye is going to kick his arse.
The last time I saw him fight he was dreadful , in fact I have not seen a good fight from him.
Haye is going to kick his arse.
Fraudley is so full of shit. It's a pity for him that the pro ranks involve considerably more than just talking.
If he has raised his typical "performance" level ten fold, he might have a chance. That said, he never has before. I'll be surprised if he hasn't been brutally KO'd before the 5th.
If he has raised his typical "performance" level ten fold, he might have a chance. That said, he never has before. I'll be surprised if he hasn't been brutally KO'd before the 5th.
Only way Audley gets anything out of this is if he turns in a performance better than all of his other pro fights put together, manages to hang in there long enough for Haye's suspect stamina to start becoming an issue and then manages to land a lucky bomb.
Would be fecking hilarious if Haye got sparked but it's just not gonna happen.
Would be fecking hilarious if Haye got sparked but it's just not gonna happen.
I actually quite like Audley, not as a boxer but he sure talks a good game. He could be a motivational speaker, or maybe that's what she should have been in the first place. He's a better talker than Haye and Haye is the one with the rep for that sort of crap.
I know yeah, I've actually warmed to him big time since this fight got announced. He's carried himself really well in the build up.
Best so far was some radio interview where he was going on for close to an hour, it was great to listen to. He's quite articulate and comes across as a genuine and passionate fan of the sport as well.
I think whatever happens he'll come away from the fight with new fans.
Best so far was some radio interview where he was going on for close to an hour, it was great to listen to. He's quite articulate and comes across as a genuine and passionate fan of the sport as well.
I think whatever happens he'll come away from the fight with new fans.
Spoke to Tavoris Cloud today after all the back and forth regarding Cleverly:
Cloud fires back at Cleverly “I’ll shorten your career” | Boxing FanCast
Cloud fires back at Cleverly “I’ll shorten your career” | Boxing FanCast
Decent advice for now.
Cleverly is looking better with every fight but needs more experience under his belt before he starts looking at the likes of Cloud.
Cleverly is looking better with every fight but needs more experience under his belt before he starts looking at the likes of Cloud.
Hope this is true. We can find out how good Frute is.
Glencoffee KO'd Green to make the Super 6 semis last night. How does that leave things?
Juanma also beat Rafael Marquez in a decent scrap. I hope he fights Caballero now.
Juanma also beat Rafael Marquez in a decent scrap. I hope he fights Caballero now.
Get it while you can. Strange stoppage.
If you want the fights in full plus the 24/7 they are in that facebook group I posted before
Not seen Green-Johnson, who was ahead on the cards before the KO?
Marquez-Lopez was entertaining though, shame it had to end that way but it was good while it lasted. I desperately want to see Lopez in there against Gamboa... there's pretty much no way that won't be an amazing fight.
Marquez-Lopez was entertaining though, shame it had to end that way but it was good while it lasted. I desperately want to see Lopez in there against Gamboa... there's pretty much no way that won't be an amazing fight.
Just turned pro 23 months ago, stood in as a substitute for Wayne McCullagh at the recent Prizefighter & won it, then last saturday night won the European Super Bantamweight title.
An cracking fighter to watch & without a doubt the most exciting boxer to come out of Ireland since Steve Collins.
Up next supposed to be around Feb/Mar is the mouthwatering fight against 'Little Tyson' Kiko Martinez.
The 2 of them have remarkably simalar boxing styles, just keep walking forward punching like a madman, 2 brawlers. Very hard to call it & i can't wait.
Willie after his winning the title saturday night with Kiko Martinez announcing they'll fight in a few months.
An cracking fighter to watch & without a doubt the most exciting boxer to come out of Ireland since Steve Collins.
Up next supposed to be around Feb/Mar is the mouthwatering fight against 'Little Tyson' Kiko Martinez.
The 2 of them have remarkably simalar boxing styles, just keep walking forward punching like a madman, 2 brawlers. Very hard to call it & i can't wait.
Willie after his winning the title saturday night with Kiko Martinez announcing they'll fight in a few months.
Mike Tyson Interview on Sky
Did anyone catch that last night?
He came across as a really humble (and knowledgable) bloke - I guess he's old enough now to look back on it all with a sense of perspective.
Two things that stood out:
1) His frank confession that when he started boxing, even when he was winning, he was very insecure and just wanted people to like him. He didn't think much of himself at all.
2) He doesn't mind not being in the Boxing Hall of Fame as he said that the fact that his "gods" (Muhammed Ali et al) knew his name was enough for him.
Came across as a nice bloke. Obviously done some hideous things in his life - but I was impressed with how he came across.
There's always something fascinating about the flawed genius - like him and Maradona.
Did anyone catch that last night?
He came across as a really humble (and knowledgable) bloke - I guess he's old enough now to look back on it all with a sense of perspective.
Two things that stood out:
1) His frank confession that when he started boxing, even when he was winning, he was very insecure and just wanted people to like him. He didn't think much of himself at all.
2) He doesn't mind not being in the Boxing Hall of Fame as he said that the fact that his "gods" (Muhammed Ali et al) knew his name was enough for him.
Came across as a nice bloke. Obviously done some hideous things in his life - but I was impressed with how he came across.
There's always something fascinating about the flawed genius - like him and Maradona.
He's always been a nice guy. All the pre-fight trash talk was all intimidation and promotion (as well as his own crazyness mixed in), but look at his post-fight stuff and it's hard to find any fighter that is more respectful to his opponents and their staff win or lose (the exception being the second Holyfield fight of course). Almost uncomfortably gushing with praise in a way. Of course I caught the tail end of his career (Holyfield onwards), and I haven't read up on how crazy he was early on so maybe I don't have enough perspective.
I was around when he first came onto the scene as a teenager. He was a complete revelation. The media made him out to be an animal - and he lived up to that name in the ring. I was genuinely scared for his opponents - that's what made the fights more exciting. He's up there with the greats undoubtedly.
Not in my opinion.
You and everyone else in the world. But yeah, he was destructive at his peak, which in all honestly didn't last as long as it should have, thanks to Don King, Robin Givens, the death of Cus and all the other crap that surrounded him. He was a kid caught up in a mega bucks industry...all on his own. As for Maradona....I saw a clip of them two greeting each with hugs at Cannes....you could see how much respect they had for each other. But yeah, he was great during the Tyson era.
He says a great and genuinely emotional quote right at the end of the sky interview below (found a link) when asked about being snubbed for the Boxing Hall of Fame.
Sky Sports Tyson interview
"I'm happy to know that guys like Muhammed Ali, Rocky Graziano, Jake Lamotta, Joey Giardello, Ike Williams, Sugar Ray Robinson... these guys know my name. These are guys I worshipped. These were my god. There was no Jesus, no Prophet Muhammed, no Buddha. They were my god. And they knew my name... ...I'm cool."
Sky Sports Tyson interview
"I'm happy to know that guys like Muhammed Ali, Rocky Graziano, Jake Lamotta, Joey Giardello, Ike Williams, Sugar Ray Robinson... these guys know my name. These are guys I worshipped. These were my god. There was no Jesus, no Prophet Muhammed, no Buddha. They were my god. And they knew my name... ...I'm cool."
Bob Arum & Manny
After Losing Son, Arum Takes a Step Back
By GREG BISHOP
GRAPEVINE, Tex. — Inside another hotel convention center, promoting another fight, Bob Arum appeared in vintage form Thursday afternoon. He shook hands. Smiled. Did interviews. Patted backs. Persuaded. Fanned controversy. The usual.
Arum remains most comfortable in this setting. Two days before Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito square off at Cowboys Stadium, Arum, at age 78 and still in charge of Top Rank Boxing, is in control.
What he cannot control is dreams. And lately, in his dreams, Arum speaks to his deceased son. Sometimes, they are watching the football Giants, or together on vacation. But each time, John Arum is alive.
“When you lose a child, I don’t care what anybody tells you, you lose part of yourself,” Arum said recently over breakfast. “It does not get easier over time.”
Arum is one of boxing’s great characters, charming and polarizing, intelligent and slick, and sometimes all of that at once. Over the years, he promoted Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Oscar De La Hoya and now Pacquiao, a Mount Rushmore of boxing royalty. He has sued and been sued, investigated and been under investigation.
Yet, in the last three months, Arum has settled into an entirely different role, one not usually associated with boxing promoters: that of sympathetic figure.
His son went missing in late August on Storm King Mountain in Washington State’s North Cascades National Park. Arum’s wife took the telephone call at their rental home in Los Angeles, hours before a scheduled promotion for this fight. He knew then what park rangers confirmed later.
“Right there,” Arum said, “I had the feeling he was dead.”
Naturally, John Arum, like his two siblings, grew up around boxing. Ali regularly attended kosher dinners on Friday nights in the Arum household. He even went to John’s bar mitzvah.
For years, Arum saw little of himself in John, even though both shared the obvious, choosing law as their profession. At 16, John asked for permission to attend a wilderness camp. He graduated from Reed College, a liberal arts school in Portland, Ore. Once, he went to South America for nine months, climbing mountains in Chile, Ecuador, Peru and Bolivia, and learning Spanish. Eleven years ago, he married a woman, Susan, similarly taken with the outdoors.
His father hated the idea of his son charging up those mountains, and they never touched the subject, preferring to discuss the usual, wives and work. John decided to climb all 100 peaks in Washington, which terrified his father and kept him awake at night.
Arum thought about that when his phone rang, and again as he stumbled through a news conference in a daze, boarded a private plane headed toward Seattle, then climbed into a car bound for the mountain where they could not find his son. The forest rangers provided the Arums with a cabin, gave them updates every few hours and went far beyond all expectations.
Clues trickled in, allowing for hope, then crushing it. A spiritualist told Arum his son was alive. But then the rangers found his fanny pack. Four days after the phone call, the rangers discovered the body, and a book written in Spanish. John was 49.
The Arums held a memorial on Oct. 2 in Seattle, and the breadth of John’s work, interests and impact wobbled his father’s knees. The speakers included representatives from the American Indian tribes he represented, environmental groups who benefited from his advocacy, fellow lawyers, hikers, kayakers, climbers, and on and on.
The Seattle Times traced John’s life in a moving obituary, noting how he negotiated agreements to consolidate irrigation systems and remove barriers to fish passage; how he settled disputes between farmers, Indian tribes and government; how he helped preserve the Loomis Forest in Washington and helped restore the Makah Nation’s traditional rights to hunt gray whales. For years, John had sent his father law briefs. But those failed to describe just how much respect his son had garnered.
That was his brother, Richard Arum said in a telephone interview. A man who loved and protected nature; who kayaked around Puget Sound listening to the Seattle Mariners on the radio; who once saved a child falling from a chairlift, allowing the boy to fall on him and subsequently injuring his leg.
Shortly after John Arum’s death, Bob Arum vented to his family, asked the questions everybody asks. How could he have done this? Put himself in that position?
To which Richard told his father: “Because he’s just like you.”
At that moment, it all clicked. Arum taught his children to live fearlessly, to follow their passions, just like him. Over the years, he has been called many things — some unprintable, not all positive — but scared was never one of them. A strong sense of self, Richard called it, that Arum passed on to his children.
On the advice of two friends — one whose son died in a helicopter crash, another whose son was murdered — Arum returned to work in September. It felt therapeutic, but relieved not one ounce of pain. At every fight, hundreds of people bombarded Arum with well-meaning wishes of condolence, but that only made it harder, only reminded him of John.
Arum found no tidy ending, no perfect narrative, no easy answer to his grief. Instead, he dealt with the outrage over allowing Margarito, a disgraced fighter once suspended from boxing, to fight Pacquiao. He traveled to the Philippines and found both a moderately distracted Pacquiao and yet another typhoon.
Still, Arum did discover something he never expected. While at the cabin near Seattle, one of the first calls came from Pacquiao, and over the last few months, the two grew even closer than before.
Perhaps it’s a stretch, but the more they spoke, the more Arum saw his son in the famous Filipino boxer, in Pacquiao’s increased dedication to public service, in his myriad dimensions, in the way boxing alone failed to define him. Pacquiao is not simply one of the two best boxers in the world. And John was never just a boxing promoter’s son.
Pacquiao is dedicating the fight to John’s memory, and Arum sees a symmetry there. He does not expect to find closure in Texas, or any time soon. But he does consider this — back at work, back with Pacquiao — a start.
After Losing Son, Arum Takes a Step Back
By GREG BISHOP
GRAPEVINE, Tex. — Inside another hotel convention center, promoting another fight, Bob Arum appeared in vintage form Thursday afternoon. He shook hands. Smiled. Did interviews. Patted backs. Persuaded. Fanned controversy. The usual.
Arum remains most comfortable in this setting. Two days before Manny Pacquiao and Antonio Margarito square off at Cowboys Stadium, Arum, at age 78 and still in charge of Top Rank Boxing, is in control.
What he cannot control is dreams. And lately, in his dreams, Arum speaks to his deceased son. Sometimes, they are watching the football Giants, or together on vacation. But each time, John Arum is alive.
“When you lose a child, I don’t care what anybody tells you, you lose part of yourself,” Arum said recently over breakfast. “It does not get easier over time.”
Arum is one of boxing’s great characters, charming and polarizing, intelligent and slick, and sometimes all of that at once. Over the years, he promoted Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Oscar De La Hoya and now Pacquiao, a Mount Rushmore of boxing royalty. He has sued and been sued, investigated and been under investigation.
Yet, in the last three months, Arum has settled into an entirely different role, one not usually associated with boxing promoters: that of sympathetic figure.
His son went missing in late August on Storm King Mountain in Washington State’s North Cascades National Park. Arum’s wife took the telephone call at their rental home in Los Angeles, hours before a scheduled promotion for this fight. He knew then what park rangers confirmed later.
“Right there,” Arum said, “I had the feeling he was dead.”
Naturally, John Arum, like his two siblings, grew up around boxing. Ali regularly attended kosher dinners on Friday nights in the Arum household. He even went to John’s bar mitzvah.
For years, Arum saw little of himself in John, even though both shared the obvious, choosing law as their profession. At 16, John asked for permission to attend a wilderness camp. He graduated from Reed College, a liberal arts school in Portland, Ore. Once, he went to South America for nine months, climbing mountains in Chile, Ecuador, Peru and Bolivia, and learning Spanish. Eleven years ago, he married a woman, Susan, similarly taken with the outdoors.
His father hated the idea of his son charging up those mountains, and they never touched the subject, preferring to discuss the usual, wives and work. John decided to climb all 100 peaks in Washington, which terrified his father and kept him awake at night.
Arum thought about that when his phone rang, and again as he stumbled through a news conference in a daze, boarded a private plane headed toward Seattle, then climbed into a car bound for the mountain where they could not find his son. The forest rangers provided the Arums with a cabin, gave them updates every few hours and went far beyond all expectations.
Clues trickled in, allowing for hope, then crushing it. A spiritualist told Arum his son was alive. But then the rangers found his fanny pack. Four days after the phone call, the rangers discovered the body, and a book written in Spanish. John was 49.
The Arums held a memorial on Oct. 2 in Seattle, and the breadth of John’s work, interests and impact wobbled his father’s knees. The speakers included representatives from the American Indian tribes he represented, environmental groups who benefited from his advocacy, fellow lawyers, hikers, kayakers, climbers, and on and on.
The Seattle Times traced John’s life in a moving obituary, noting how he negotiated agreements to consolidate irrigation systems and remove barriers to fish passage; how he settled disputes between farmers, Indian tribes and government; how he helped preserve the Loomis Forest in Washington and helped restore the Makah Nation’s traditional rights to hunt gray whales. For years, John had sent his father law briefs. But those failed to describe just how much respect his son had garnered.
That was his brother, Richard Arum said in a telephone interview. A man who loved and protected nature; who kayaked around Puget Sound listening to the Seattle Mariners on the radio; who once saved a child falling from a chairlift, allowing the boy to fall on him and subsequently injuring his leg.
Shortly after John Arum’s death, Bob Arum vented to his family, asked the questions everybody asks. How could he have done this? Put himself in that position?
To which Richard told his father: “Because he’s just like you.”
At that moment, it all clicked. Arum taught his children to live fearlessly, to follow their passions, just like him. Over the years, he has been called many things — some unprintable, not all positive — but scared was never one of them. A strong sense of self, Richard called it, that Arum passed on to his children.
On the advice of two friends — one whose son died in a helicopter crash, another whose son was murdered — Arum returned to work in September. It felt therapeutic, but relieved not one ounce of pain. At every fight, hundreds of people bombarded Arum with well-meaning wishes of condolence, but that only made it harder, only reminded him of John.
Arum found no tidy ending, no perfect narrative, no easy answer to his grief. Instead, he dealt with the outrage over allowing Margarito, a disgraced fighter once suspended from boxing, to fight Pacquiao. He traveled to the Philippines and found both a moderately distracted Pacquiao and yet another typhoon.
Still, Arum did discover something he never expected. While at the cabin near Seattle, one of the first calls came from Pacquiao, and over the last few months, the two grew even closer than before.
Perhaps it’s a stretch, but the more they spoke, the more Arum saw his son in the famous Filipino boxer, in Pacquiao’s increased dedication to public service, in his myriad dimensions, in the way boxing alone failed to define him. Pacquiao is not simply one of the two best boxers in the world. And John was never just a boxing promoter’s son.
Pacquiao is dedicating the fight to John’s memory, and Arum sees a symmetry there. He does not expect to find closure in Texas, or any time soon. But he does consider this — back at work, back with Pacquiao — a start.
Which football team does Haye support?
Yep. I've always equated it like this -
Pele = Ali
Maradona = Tyson
You don't rate Tyson Lance ?
Millwall.
Not as one of the all time greats, no.
So does anyone give a shit about the Haye v Harrison fight?
I am going to watch it just to Fraudley get annihilated. I am not paying for it, though. Here is a guy who struggles at domestic level, being bumped straight into a World Title fight, on the strength of his nationality. It is farcical.
Tyson in his prime was a superb fighter - yes, a fighter.
One of a kind IMO
One of a kind IMO
Fair enough.
Yep, I think it'll be a couple (if I even have time for a second pint) down the pub for the fight on Saturday.
It's a joke of a fight no matter which way they try to slice it.
Yea I've just said the same thing to the missus, he should get ruined. Seems like he's got this fight on the back of that 12th round KO after having had seven shades of shit knocked out of him for 11.5 rounds.
I'm hoping for a stream to watch it, so if you find one shoot me a PM
Agreed, in his prime, no-one could live with him in the ring.