The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Bill.s.preston said:
Now that Briggs' opponent looks likely to be banned, I wonder if Haye is feeling a bit of regret?
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I think he makes far more money off this fight than he does any other in the division except Tyson Fury and Joshua.

Both can sell the fight with their talk and Hearn will promote it as well. Given that Haye got divorced he will now go after money over titles probably. If the person who holds the money card just so happens to be a champion so be it I guess.
 
Lomachenko should outbox him but Walters can bang. Should make for a really nice styles match-up.
 
Is it me or has the quality of Sky Sports PPV declined dramatically in recent years?

It would be useful if someone could find a list of their recent bouts. I mean, wasn't Kell Brook vs Frankie Gavin one as well? :lol:

Haye-Bellew is another one that is ridiculous and not PPV worthy. I don't expect it to go more than 6 rounds, Haye to win by brutal KO.

Lomachenko to UD Walters too. He's a brilliant boxer and deserves more exposure.
 
Kazi said:
Lomachenko should outbox him but Walters can bang. Should make for a really nice styles match-up.
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YEah it's an interesting fight and the week after Kov vs. Ward it's good to see another fight of 2 good level boxers. Looking forward to it. Lomachenko is a better boxer and the gulf in class is different but still 2 good level fights going at it.

Irrational. said:
Is it me or has the quality of Sky Sports PPV declined dramatically in recent years?

It would be useful if someone could find a list of their recent bouts. I mean, wasn't Kell Brook vs Frankie Gavin one as well? :lol:

Haye-Bellew is another one that is ridiculous and not PPV worthy. I don't expect it to go more than 6 rounds, Haye to win by brutal KO.

Lomachenko to UD Walters too. He's a brilliant boxer and deserves more exposure.
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Yeah blame Eddie Hearn for that mate.

He's done a brilliant job marketing boxing in all honesty. He's turned live events into proper nights out where people will get bladdered on them and that suckers in casual fans to buy the PPV. Some wil have a few mates round etc to watch.

Joshua in a few weeks is anothr, it should be nowhere near PPV but I bet it does good numbers cos of how it is marketed.

Haye vs. Bellew prob shouldn't be on PPV but I can see why it is. It's not top level boxers but if you don't take it to seriously it's not really doing any harm. It's a fun fight I think.

I know Haye gets slated for fighting bums now etc but to be fair I never got the "conning the British public" stuff, if they don't like it don't go to the event. He put the fights on free to air TV so no one was paying to watch on TV. The people in the stadium chose to go. He isn't a world champion nor is he holding up a division by doing it. If you want "conning the British public" then I'd love Bellew to justify how shit his 2nd fight with Cleverly was and that was on PPV!
 
Oggmonster said:
Yeah blame Eddie Hearn for that mate.

He's done a brilliant job marketing boxing in all honesty. He's turned live events into proper nights out where people will get bladdered on them and that suckers in casual fans to buy the PPV. Some wil have a few mates round etc to watch.

Joshua in a few weeks is anothr, it should be nowhere near PPV but I bet it does good numbers cos of how it is marketed.

Haye vs. Bellew prob shouldn't be on PPV but I can see why it is. It's not top level boxers but if you don't take it to seriously it's not really doing any harm. It's a fun fight I think.

I know Haye gets slated for fighting bums now etc but to be fair I never got the "conning the British public" stuff, if they don't like it don't go to the event. He put the fights on free to air TV so no one was paying to watch on TV. The people in the stadium chose to go. He isn't a world champion nor is he holding up a division by doing it. If you want "conning the British public" then I'd love Bellew to justify how shit his 2nd fight with Cleverly was and that was on PPV!
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You can say that again - he's a genius in that sense. :lol:

Agreed re: Haye. He's always in explosive fights and is generally good value for money. (We'll ignore the Klitschko fight).
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Watching these two on Sky now , both talking bollocks.
Best thing that could happen is they both knock each other out at the same time and both feck off never to be seen again.
The pair are just so unlikeable.
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Don't think Haye said a lot of rubbish tbh, mainly Bellew spouting a load of shit and trying to trash talk which frankly got boring after about 2 minutes.

All Haye said was that he was going to put him on the canvas, which let's face it; he most likely will.
 
Loma's movement is too good- so hard to hit.....Still early though.

Checking out....don't want to spoil the fight for anyone who's gonna watch it tomor.
 
In terms of pure skill, Lomachenko might just be the best I've ever seen. Well, along with Floyd.
 
Kazi said:
I am. I've seen plenty of Leonard though and I've always thought Floyd was more skilled.
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I get what you mean but skill alone does not make a fighter for the ages.
Floyd has compromised his undoubted skill by ducking fights and using frustrating tactics in the ring. He'll take his '0' into retirement but won't be greatly missed when he does.
 
The narrative of Floyd ducking fights will follow him forever.

He fought Corralles, Castillo, Gatti, DLH, Hatton, Marquez, Moseley, Alvarez and Pacquiao for example. It's hardly an awful CV.

His tactics may of been frustrating at times to watch by the end of his career but he did well to adapt. His hands are apparently in bits and were for about the last 10 fights of his career so he fought like he did to prolong his career. He had plenty of knockouts up until the Hatton fight and was an exciting fighter to watch. He was a hugely skiled fighter and miles above pretty much everyone he fought.
 
DatIrishFella said:
What's the deal with Lomachenko, he came in against unbeaten Gary Russell Jr with a record of 1-1? The latter who was 24-0 at the time? WTF? Why was someone with that record fighting the likes of GRJ?
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He had a ridiculously good amateur career and record which showed how good he was and probably somewhat fast tracked him to a title. He is very good though. His one loss was controversial as well. Salido gets plenty of accusations of cheating in that fight.
 
DatIrishFella said:
What's the deal with Lomachenko, he came in against unbeaten Gary Russell Jr with a record of 1-1? The latter who was 24-0 at the time? WTF? Why was someone with that record fighting the likes of GRJ?
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Amateur pedigree basically. He's a 2 time olympic champion and only lost once in his whole amateur career. As @Oggmonster says, he was fast tracked to a title shot. He lost a controversial fight, but it was obvious that he had a special talent. Most have him in the top 10 P4P and that's after a mere 8 pro fights. He's the real deal.
 
Post-Soviet countries produce some tough bastards. Golovkin and Lomachenko the best ones currently?
 
Gentleman Jim said:
I get what you mean but skill alone does not make a fighter for the ages.
Floyd has compromised his undoubted skill by ducking fights and using frustrating tactics in the ring. He'll take his '0' into retirement but won't be greatly missed when he does.
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Yeah, I agree to an extent. Saying that, I'll still remember him as being the most skilled boxer I've ever seen.
 
RedFish said:
Did I miss something?
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Did you see how the fight ended? One of the weirdest decisions from a fighter to quit I've seen in a long time. His corner didn't even look concerned. He was never winning that fight, but he should have kept going.
 
I was really disappointed with Walters effort. Loma is class though.

Anyone heard that Nick Blackwell is back in hospital after a sparring session - what on earth was he thinking?!
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Did you see how the fight ended? One of the weirdest decisions from a fighter to quit I've seen in a long time. His corner didn't even look concerned. He was never winning that fight, but he should have kept going.
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Yeah, He couldn't handle being embarrassed liked that, especially in the last couple of rounds. He was just rendered impotent. A fight he'll want to forget super quick.
 


Terrible numbers if true. The fight was so badly marketed though for what was a clash of 2 top fighters. Shame really.
 


This fight has been worth it already just to see Hearn's face for this press conference with Haye (rightly) calls him out on all his bull shit :lol::lol:
 
Haye has bloody fast hands for a heavyweight, had to rewind numerous times to catch the punch I didn't see it the first few times :lol:.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He is the most all round skilled heavyweight fighter of the past 10 years IMO. Which is why his career moves frustrate me so much.
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I can appreciate his last 2 fights were a bit of a joke but in fairness to him if/when he fights Bellew and beats him he's at a good point in his career.

Whilst he's 36 years old Bellew is right what he says in that Haye has taken little damage in most his fights, he could fight on again for another 4 or so years realistically. I think you've got to give him some time with his career moves in perspective at times. In his last 8 fights he's:

Unified the cruiserweight division
Won the WBA heavyweight title
Gone 7-1 at Heavyweight (albeit his last 2 fights were shite)

If he beats Bellew and fights for a world title again in 10 fights he could potentially of unified a division, gone 9-1 at Heavyweight and been a 2 time heavyweight world champion. It's not that bad of a career decision.

I get people not liking him, I'm not a huge fan but I prefer him to Bellew and his exposing of Hearn was pretty clever. It pissed Hearn off and potentially gives him more ammo with a Joshua fight and it pisses Bellew off cos he gave Bellew no attention and he just had to shout over him.

I think most the talk is manufactured but they've done a good job. I think it will be a fun fight which is more than can be said about a lot of Bellew's fights and a lot of Heavyweight fights as well.
 
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