The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Just watched it now. I had Ward edging it, but so many rounds were incredibly close. Wouldn't have surprised me either way or a draw tbh.
God knows how some had Kov umpteen rounds up. He wasn't overly gracious either, banging on about American judges- he presumably agreed to that.
It's weird how everyone was going on about how hard it was to score virtually every round, barring the second, yet neither the judges nor the pundits had any rounds 10-10.
 
Thought it was a very good & tough fight. Difficult to score but I had Kovalev just edging it by 2 but can understand why Ward won as a lot of rounds were extremely close. Enjoyed watching that battle, hope to see a rematch.

I thought the ref should've stopped Ward from the constant grappling & holding. At one point it looked like he was going to take Kovalev down UFC style.
 
Its strange in such a close fight, all judges managed to reach the exact same score and Kov won only 1 of the last 18 rounds on all the score cards..
 
Jippy said:
Just watched it now. I had Ward edging it, but so many rounds were incredibly close. Wouldn't have surprised me either way or a draw tbh.
God knows how some had Kov umpteen rounds up. He wasn't overly gracious either, banging on about American judges- he presumably agreed to that.
It's weird how everyone was going on about how hard it was to score virtually every round, barring the second, yet neither the judges nor the pundits had any rounds 10-10.
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Even rounds are generally never given
 
Kazi said:
Even rounds are generally never given
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I know, but everyone was saying most rounds were anyone's guess, so scoring a few 10-10 would be logical.
 
Reaction all over seems to be Kov got robbed or at the very least should of been a draw...lot of close rounds and in my mind Ward didn't do nearly enough to take the belst from a champ...he ran and held onto Kov the whole fight.....yes Kov faded towards the end but fight was too close and being that it was that close Kov should of got the win....and as I said before Kov not even getting a split decision just showed the lack of respect they had for a champ.
 
How it wasn't a split decision is beyond me, I was rooting for Ward but I think a fair result would have been either a draw or Kov on split decision. Don't think Ward did enough to win.

I have seen way worse calls than this but I don't really know what more Kov could have done. Seems like for Ward just needed to survive to win and Kov's only chance was a KO.
 
Paulie Malignaggi was saying Ward shaved all the tight rounds. I think he had him 2 rounds up at the end.

It was a pretty subjective fight and I'm surprised it wasn't a split decision. A rematch would be fair.
 
I still don't get how people seem to think it's hugely unfair or a robbery etc. Especially before going on to say they scored it by 1 round or admitting it was a close fight.

I'd get it if a judge scored it 11-1 in rounds then it would be a robbery. Scoring it with 1 round in between just shows the closeness of the fight in all honesty. Read back before the fight and people wanted a good fight or a close fight. People even predicted the fight (@FC Ronaldo said the best thing that could happen is an early Kovalev knockdown which we got.)

Don't get me wrong I enjoy the debate around the fight but I don't think it's fair to imply some kind of fix or bias. It's just close judging on a close fight. I know Kov was the champion but I think Paul Smith said it after the Perez fight, which was a robbery, the judges should look at a fight in isolation. The champ shouldn't matter. The "champions advantage" stuff shouldn't just be accepted as a thing but it seems to be now. A champions advantage is if it's a draw he doesn't lose the belts.
 
I had Ward winning a close fight but I was hoping Kovalev would win it so if anything, I'd have been biased towards the latter. Either way, there's no way you should call a close fight like that a robbery - especially when in a lot of rounds, not too many clean shots were landed by either fighter.

Paulie is right about the Compubox numbers as well. They are next to meaningless in my opinion. It's literally just one person counting the punches and deciding whether a punch has landed or not... punches that didn't land will get counted as if they did and vice versa... way too much scope for human error but they get reported as if they are almost factual.
 
Oggmonster said:
I still don't get how people seem to think it's hugely unfair or a robbery etc. Especially before going on to say they scored it by 1 round or admitting it was a close fight.

I'd get it if a judge scored it 11-1 in rounds then it would be a robbery. Scoring it with 1 round in between just shows the closeness of the fight in all honesty. Read back before the fight and people wanted a good fight or a close fight. People even predicted the fight (@FC Ronaldo said the best thing that could happen is an early Kovalev knockdown which we got.)

Don't get me wrong I enjoy the debate around the fight but I don't think it's fair to imply some kind of fix or bias. It's just close judging on a close fight. I know Kov was the champion but I think Paul Smith said it after the Perez fight, which was a robbery, the judges should look at a fight in isolation. The champ shouldn't matter. The "champions advantage" stuff shouldn't just be accepted as a thing but it seems to be now. A champions advantage is if it's a draw he doesn't lose the belts.
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It doesn't matter if you call it a robbery, unfair, or whatever. If the fighter who you see as the clear winner doesn't even get a split decision then there will be controversy. The fact that it was in the US with Amercian judges only adds fuel to the fire. I had Kovalev winning 115-112 and I felt beforehand people were underestimating Kovalav's pedigree. Watching the fight it went as I expected, and through no fault of his own, he got fecked over. So from my perspective on how the fight went, of course it was a robbery!
 
Well the guy got robbed of his belts so it kinda is a robbery. The fact that the judges gave round 10 to Ward tells everything about their decision.
 
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RedFish said:
It doesn't matter if you call it a robbery, unfair, or whatever. If the fighter who you see as the clear winner doesn't even get a split decision then there will be controversy. The fact that it was in the US with Amercian judges only adds fuel to the fire. I had Kovalev winning 115-112 and I felt beforehand people were underestimating Kovalav's pedigree. Watching the fight it went as I expected, and through no fault of his own, he got fecked over. So from my perspective on how the fight went, of course it was a robbery!
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Each to their own. I think calling it a "Robbery" is a huge exaggeration. Again you're entitled to think what you want. People scoring it 114-113 or having 1 round in it, saying it's "close" and then saying it's a robbery just seems a bit odd to me. If someone thinks Kovalev won every round for example they'd obviously think it was a robbery.
 
RedFish said:
Not really. In the event of a fight being scored equal, then the champ keeps the belt. That's the way I see it.
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The champ does keep the belt in the event of a draw. We are talking about a fighter losing a title challenge because he beat the champion but not by a significant margin. It is an absurd idea.
 
Fracture90 said:
Well the guy got robbed of his belts so it kinda is a robbery. The fact that the judges gave round 10 to Ward tells everything about their decision.
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Exactly. This was the key round imo. I felt once Kov won this(as I'm certain he did) then Ward needed a KO or 2 consecutive 10-8 rounds to win or draw.
Find it incredible that Ward fans say he won all last 6 rounds, when he clearly didn't.
 
Frank Grimes said:
Exactly. This was the key round imo. I felt once Kov won this(as I'm certain he did) then Ward needed a KO or 2 consecutive 10-8 rounds to win or draw.
Find it incredible that Ward fans say he won all last 6 rounds, when he clearly didn't.
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Yep. But everytime i mention that 10th round Ward fans start squirming and shifting focus saying that Kovalev needed to KO him. Utter bullcrap it's like Ward fans think that he deserved to win for the sole fact he didn't get KO'd. You can even argue that Kovalev has won rounds 11 and 12 since he did just as much as Ward did in them.
 
Fracture90 said:
Yep. But everytime i mention that 10th round Ward fans start squirming and shifting focus saying that Kovalev needed to KO him. Utter bullcrap it's like Ward fans think that he deserved to win for the sole fact he didn't get KO'd. You can even argue that Kovalev has won rounds 11 and 12 since he did just as much as Ward did in them.
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Don't disagree with that. It is almost like it was decided that Ward would automatically be given any close round.
 
I can see why Eddie Hearn puts his fighters in easy fights now. If he puts them in tough ones and they win a close decision it seems everyone would say he fixed it!
 
I'm always sceptical of the "tainted meat" "tainted supplement" Stuff. Just seems to be covering themselves.

What happens for the title fight with Briggs now? Who comes in to face him? That was probably the easiest shot of a title really.
 
Lomachenko v Walters Sunday Am for the for the WBO junior lightweight title. Expecting a dominant Lomachenko win who seemingly has no limits as to what he can achieve.
 
The only reason this is on PPV is because both can sell a fight and talk shite (I like them too).

The only question is whether this will actually be a fight? Prime Haye flattens the very best Tony Bellew in 3 rounds max.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
The only reason this is on PPV is because both can sell a fight and talk shite (I like them too).

The only question is whether this will actually be a fight? Prime Haye flattens the very best Tony Bellew in 3 rounds max.
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Sick of David Haye's con jobs though. Is he ever going to make a serious fight ever again?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Sick of David Haye's con jobs though. Is he ever going to make a serious fight ever again?
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He's wasting his prime years but I guess he's already been the champ and has that to fall back on. At this point he's a boxing celebrity handpicking (domestic level not international) money fights like Mayweather at the end.

You definitely get the view yhat he's waiting for another champion as weak Charles Martin before daring to risk a loss again.
 
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