The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Just caught up with the Benn jr fight, an expected outcome but heck, that's a brutal finish. Very efficient manner about him this time out and once he hurt his man, he almost had a 100% connection rate on every punch thereafter and at such speed. Impressive stuff.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I think he is a clown and does nothing to improve the image of British Boxing
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That's not really any different to anything someone like Ricky Hatton did though and he's regarded as a national treasure. He's allowed a drink...if that's his personality so be it, he's not asking to be filmed either he's gone on holiday and been caught on camera (albeit he's not been subtle)
 
Oggmonster said:
That's not really any different to anything someone like Ricky Hatton did though and he's regarded as a national treasure. He's allowed a drink...if that's his personality so be it, he's not asking to be filmed either he's gone on holiday and been caught on camera (albeit he's not been subtle)
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I think all the villains and characters in boxing is one of the things that makes it so interesting. Imagine if all boxers had the personality of Wlad.
 
Interesting article on Joshua by Steve Bunce...can't say I disagree with him:

Big Anthony Joshua should be back in the gym today throwing handfuls of rice in preparation for the day he fights a man that can move, avoid a punch and counter. If Joshua had been in the ring with Tyson Fury on Saturday night he would still be chasing shadows and moving on the same straight lines inside a darkened ring.

Instead, at the O2 Dominic Breazeale risked injuring Joshua’s fists during his audition for a walking punchbag in front of nearly 20,000 people that cheered their idol’s every flexed muscle. The Met police might soon need to look into the dangers of such large gatherings of the brain-washed and their distorted view of reality. They all need to know that there is not a premium phone line available to reinstate their favourite if he loses.

Breazeale was fantastically brave and Joshua was patient, but this was a world heavyweight championship fight not six rounds at York Hall and I have no idea what people expect when two men are paid a fortune for walking in the footsteps of the greats?

Michael Buffer, the slick MC, invoked the ghosts of champions past with a moving eulogy to Muhammad Ali and then Joshua, in the white robe as predicted, shuffled pleasantly to the ring to fill the Greatest’s boots. Well, that is what it said in the script but Joshua lacks an ounce of guile, not a single feint all night, not a punch thrown that was not first detected high over the Atlantic Ocean and the insulting argument that “nobody can take his punches” is about as persuasive as Farage on immigration. A tidy axiom is not gospel, it is simply a tidy axiom no matter how often it is repeated.

Joshua went into round four for only the second time in his career and that was the end of his creative loop; the total of his variety was exhausted by the time the bell sounded for round four and that should be a concern for everybody in the Joshua business; a refusal to correct the flaws now will lead to a disaster sooner rather than later. He is the most talented heavyweight prospect since Lennox Lewis and needs to now put a bit more intelligence behind his work in the ring. He is, it has to be said, as far from being a stiff bum as he is from being the finished product, and it is on such diverse lines that people discuss the nice guy from Watford.

Breazeale might as well have been swinging from a butcher’s hook in a giant abattoir fridge and that is not meant as an insult. The American was brave and only went down in round seven after taking a pitiless beating during every second of the fight.

Joshua is the world champion by default, his progress interrupted by a fortuitous piece of idiocy by the IBF when they stripped Fury last December. Two men fought for the vacant title, the winner came to London and fell over against Joshua in April and that led to Breazeale’s arrival. Joshua, it has to be said, has done nothing wrong but it is now time to seriously analyse the man that is being packaged as the saviour of a sport.

On Saturday night he would have needed a bag of rice to touch Fury, a sack of rice to get anywhere near Wladimir Klitschko, David Haye would have hit from so many angles he would have been rebranded compass, and the WBC incumbent Deontay Wilder would have hit him all night with long jabs and looping right hands. This is not fanciful posturing, this is based on the little that Breazeale showed and, trust me, you needed a watchful eye to detect the positives.

When Joshua was stopped in June 2011 by a rough Romanian at the European championships he was on his feet but out of ideas and puff. There is nothing wrong with Joshua’s heart or chin, but unless he learns about the boxing business he will run out of ideas against men with talent to match their desire. It is time to start flexing the muscle inside of his head because without brain he is just a likeable strongman with a nice smile and impressive sponsorship deals. He might be a big brother, but boxing is not a reality television show.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ld-surely-have-shown-says-steve-a7106141.html
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^^ It's accurate and mirrors a lot of my thoughts about Joshua, but bloody hell, it's brutal!

Does Bunce not cross paths with Joshua at all?

I don't mean that he's in mortal danger, but rather a scathing deconstruction like that would surely have Joshua's camp wanting absolutely nothing to do with Bunce?

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On another note Eubank jnr wants GGG and there's barely a mention of it in here? Thought that would generate quite a bit of discussion.
 
Fortitude said:
^^ It's accurate and mirrors a lot of my thoughts about Joshua, but bloody hell, it's brutal!

Does Bunce not cross paths with Joshua at all?

I don't mean that he's in mortal danger, but rather a scathing deconstruction like that would surely have Joshua's camp wanting absolutely nothing to do with Bunce?

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On another note Eubank jnr wants GGG and there's barely a mention of it in here? Thought that would generate quite a bit of discussion.
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Bunce has a show on Box Nation doesn't he? I've not got the channel so am not to sure but I don't think he'd ever really have anything to do with Joshua on that regard...he does do some stuff with Talksport though but I've never heard Joshua on that either.

I think it's actually refreshing to hear another side about Joshua and a criticism rather than the Sky propaganda. He entered with highlights of Tyson, Lewis and even Ali! Ridiculous really.

The Eubank Jr stuff was mentioned a couple pages back I think mate, might of got lost in the talk of the Joshua fight as it was about the same time. Most people said fair play for taking the fight but he'll probably lose. I think it'll work well for him although he will probably lose. It looks good on his CV being one of the only fighters to have the balls to fight GGG. It embarrasses the likes of Canelo and BJS who both claim they want to fight him then run for cover as soon as talk comes up of that fight.
 
Oggmonster said:
Bunce has a show on Box Nation doesn't he? I've not got the channel so am not to sure but I don't think he'd ever really have anything to do with Joshua on that regard...he does do some stuff with Talksport though but I've never heard Joshua on that either.

I think it's actually refreshing to hear another side about Joshua and a criticism rather than the Sky propaganda. He entered with highlights of Tyson, Lewis and even Ali! Ridiculous really.

The Eubank Jr stuff was mentioned a couple pages back I think mate, might of got lost in the talk of the Joshua fight as it was about the same time. Most people said fair play for taking the fight but he'll probably lose. I think it'll work well for him although he will probably lose. It looks good on his CV being one of the only fighters to have the balls to fight GGG. It embarrasses the likes of Canelo and BJS who both claim they want to fight him then run for cover as soon as talk comes up of that fight.
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Yeah, haven't caught it in a while because it's not on my sports package. Didn't know what the status was of Joshua and Bunce on there, but I'm surprised he'd write like that with his show in mind.

It is refreshing, shockingly so, but it's also really surprising to see in this day and age.

Re. Eubank jr. I thought you guys would give a fight breakdown - I don't think it's as clear cut for GGG as it seems.
 
Fortitude said:
Yeah, haven't caught it in a while because it's not on my sports package. Didn't know what the status was of Joshua and Bunce on there, but I'm surprised he'd write like that with his show in mind.

It is refreshing, shockingly so, but it's also really surprising to see in this day and age.

Re. Eubank jr. I thought you guys would give a fight breakdown - I don't think it's as clear cut for GGG as it seems.
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I think the only thing Eubank has to offer that GGG wouldn't of faced is his speed. He'll be the quickest guy Golovkin has fought but other than that he doesn't have much. He's fought more powerful people for example. I genuinely just think it's a fight that Eubank knows he'll probably lose and it just looks good on his CV. There's no other logic, this is a guy who could be a world title contender and until this GGG talk he was happy fighting for a British title. It's got to be some sort of ego rub for a rematch vs. BJS.
 
I give Eubank Jnr little chance He doesn't punch anywhere near hard enough to deter GGG who will have a look for a couple of rounds then start planting his feet.

I actually don't mind Eubank Jnr - he has a lovely jab and it looks like a decent chin but he's can't fight on the inside at all and he takes a breather in nearly every round. Golovkin will stop him on is feet or he'll be pulled out with some sort of 'injury' i.e. hand or ankle.
 
If the fight does genuinely get made then I admire CEJ greatly but fear for him.

He has all the tools to go into any fight at MW with full belief in himself to put it all together and win. However his biggest asset is so far being unhurt in any fight. All boxers get stung but to my knowledge CEJ hasn't been rocked or dropped. That asset mixed with powerful flurries from all angles, strong jab and a good transitional game (from out to in) bodes well.

However, that very strength is also the biggest weakness that will be revealed in any contest with GGG. I fully suspect that he will have moderate successes against GGG but by the end of the 4th he will have at least been hurt like no fight before or dropped. From then on, his biggest asset becomes a quantifiable weakness for the rest of the division to use against him.

A contest with GGG has a probable 90% chance of hurting CEJ in such a way it would already impact any future fight too. Never mind the outcome of the fight (a stoppage loss where he's either out cold or pulled out for his own good), getting a sustained beating from such a numbingly concussive hitter as GGG will impact his resistance for the reminder of his career, for me. And that is the biggest problem in this fight as CEJ loses that aura of invincibility.

If I were Hearn and I were managing CEJ who seems insistent on a big fight, I'd put all my chips 10 times out of 10 into fighting Canelo right now. Regardless of home advantage or not. Canelo has been hurt (early in his career admittedly), he's ponderous and has never been regularly hit quite like an on-form CEJ could. I would fancy CEJ to beat Canelo at least in boxing fans eyes, regardless of a naturally weighted scorecard against him due to the fact he'd have to travel.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He was rocked against Blackwell in his last fight.
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Will watch again later but I didn't register it at the time as being rocked. Thought it was a combination of being stung and off balance. Anyway, will check it out again later:
 
evra said:
I think it's a point worth making. Although I think he gives Wilder quite an easy time - he has been similarly fortuitous with the lack of quality he has faced.
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I think the thing wilder has going for him though is he's been in a couple of longer distance fights which have been scraps at some point of them. Not saying that as a badge of honour for him as the opponents were quite poor but he's still got valuable ring time. His last 4 fights he's had as many rounds as all of Joshua's combined. Neither have fought particularly good opposition though...I'd imagine if they fought it wouldn't go the distance but whilst they were fighting it wouldn't be technically great to watch be hugely entertaining though.
 
Wow. Brook takes the Khan route. About to get hurt in a big way.

 
Just sent my mate a message saying Sept 10. RIP :lol:

I should be supporting the British, but I just love watching GGG. A breath of fresh air at times
 
RedFish said:
Joke fight. GGG needs to fight Canelo not welterweight's
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True but none of them want to fight him. Brook is a big welter as well looks like he could easily step up in weight. It is a bit shit though

Summit said:
Thought he was undefeated for some reason.
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He is, he arguably lost to Jones though.

Fair fecks to Brook, can dsee him getting destroyed though huge step up from taxi drivers and plumbers he's fought recently.
 
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