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Canelo's KO kinda made me go back to this.....just look at the difference of the fighters size wise too despite fighting for the same belts.

I also didn't have Khan winning 4-1 or 5-0. 3-2 Canelo for me. Khan walked straight into his gameplan, not the other way round.

Also a bit rich of Khan and his trainer kicking off on Canelo over the GGG fight no? He's been doing the same thing with Brook, making moves for money, not for the fans.
 
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Canelo's KO kinda made me go back to this.....just look at the difference of the fighters size wise too despite fighting for the same belts.

I also didn't have Khan winning 4-1 or 5-0. 3-2 Canelo for me. Khan walked straight into his gameplan, not the other way round.

Also a bit rich of Khan and his trainer kicking off on Canelo over the GGG fight no? He's been doing the same thing with Brook, making moves for money, not for the fans.

No chance Khan was behind on the cards, when you consider the criteria judges score on Khan should be ahead, regardless of whether it was Canelo's game plan or not.
 
Based off that, I searched it up. Well, he was behind.

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Also Lederman had it 3-2 Canelo. Pretty sure Kellerman felt Canelo was ahead too.
 
He's on 35 fights so that's 3 a year by which time he'd be 39. Unlikely isn't it, with everyone doing their best not to fight him.

Yup, I just don't think 4/1 is even a tempting offer. Like you say, with fighters seeming to avoid him, and time against him getting to 50, it's not the best bet in the world.

As for fighters ducking him, what do people think would happen if he moved up a weight to fight Andre Ward. I've seen talk of it in the past, but curious on opinions
 
Yup, I just don't think 4/1 is even a tempting offer. Like you say, with fighters seeming to avoid him, and time against him getting to 50, it's not the best bet in the world.

As for fighters ducking him, what do people think would happen if he moved up a weight to fight Andre Ward. I've seen talk of it in the past, but curious on opinions

I think the Ward fight will happen before the Canelo fight.
 
I don't know if it's just me but i think Khan's getting way too much credit for the weekend. He might have won a couple of rounds but ultimately he was beaten convincingly and he knew he'd come out of it with his reputation intact as no one expected him to win.

His shameful ducking of a Brook fight is pathetic. There's no reason for Khan not to fight him next unless it's a Garcia or Pac fight.
 
Astounded to see Khan was behind on judges scorecards.

Aye. Tbf to Canelo, he landed more or equal punches in every round but Khan clearly won the first 3 and most likely the 4th. The 5th and 6th aren't even up for debate of course. It's mind-boggling how it can be scored differently though with only the 4th being marginally contentious in my eyes. After all, Vegas is the land where Floyd's output was regularly out worked but quality overruled it.
 
I don't know if it's just me but i think Khan's getting way too much credit for the weekend. He might have won a couple of rounds but ultimately he was beaten convincingly and he knew he'd come out of it with his reputation intact as no one expected him to win.

His shameful ducking of a Brook fight is pathetic. There's no reason for Khan not to fight him next unless it's a Garcia or Pac fight.

I genuinely don't know how people can say he's ducking Brook when he's just gone up TWO weight classes and fought one of the most devastating boxers around. People don't duck Brook and go and fight Canelo. I think "ducking" gets thrown around too much in boxing. I've heard people say it about Fury on Joshua, Khan on Brook and I've even heard Mayweather is ducking Pacquiao despite being retired!! Khan holds all the cards in a Brook fight which seems a reality people don't want to accept. Title or not Khan is the bigger name (especially after this weekend...Brook can't sell fights in Sheffield let alone America.) HE got 13million for the last fight apparently and is rumoured to be getting more for the Brook fight if it happens, it makes sense for him to do what he did. Brook isn't going nowhere and will always be begging for that fight. If you want to blame anyone for it not happening blame Eddie Hearn who is match making Brook against joke opponents and dressing them up as dangerous - Jo Jo Dan, Kevin Bizier, Frankie Gavin. Khan is right when he says Brook is a bit of a joke. Khan is fighting legitimate fighters and risking his health, Brook is fighting journeymen and demolishing them.

I dunno how he's getting to much credit either, he looked like he was winning the fight against someone much bigger than him, deserves a lot of credit for that.
 
Amir Khan is making himself look silly again. Not many A-list fighters 'boast' 4 defeats on their CV. But oh look he's got a ready made excuse for the weekend because he was stupid enough to think he could step up 2 divisions and win (yes £££). Most big rivals in boxing end up calling each other out and settling disputes, you look around all weight divisions and nearly all the big rivals have either fought each other or it's in the pipeline. To me, Khan's comments about Brook say only one thing - he's scared of a 5th defeat.
How he can make such disrespectful comments about someone with a world title and 100% record staggers me. If you dislike him that much and think you are better than him, there's only one thing to do.
 
I genuinely don't know how people can say he's ducking Brook when he's just gone up TWO weight classes and fought one of the most devastating boxers around. People don't duck Brook and go and fight Canelo. I think "ducking" gets thrown around too much in boxing. I've heard people say it about Fury on Joshua, Khan on Brook and I've even heard Mayweather is ducking Pacquiao despite being retired!! Khan holds all the cards in a Brook fight which seems a reality people don't want to accept. Title or not Khan is the bigger name (especially after this weekend...Brook can't sell fights in Sheffield let alone America.) HE got 13million for the last fight apparently and is rumoured to be getting more for the Brook fight if it happens, it makes sense for him to do what he did. Brook isn't going nowhere and will always be begging for that fight. If you want to blame anyone for it not happening blame Eddie Hearn who is match making Brook against joke opponents and dressing them up as dangerous - Jo Jo Dan, Kevin Bizier, Frankie Gavin. Khan is right when he says Brook is a bit of a joke. Khan is fighting legitimate fighters and risking his health, Brook is fighting journeymen and demolishing them.

I dunno how he's getting to much credit either, he looked like he was winning the fight against someone much bigger than him, deserves a lot of credit for that.
Like i said, he was never going to get slated for losing so there was no real risk. Lets get it right, he won maybe 3 rounds, he hasn't outboxed Alvarez for 3/4 of the fight and got caught with a lucky shot in the championship rounds, he's been cleaned up with one punch once Alvarez started cutting off the ring. It was about as routine a defence as i've seen from Canelo. At the time of the stoppage he was well in control, it wasn't some lucky punch that got him out of jail. Khan was handled and dealt with before half way, it's hardly a tale you'll tell your grandkids in years to come.

Saturday was a clever move and i'm not particularly referring to the weekends fight but Khan uses the same rhetoric about Brook 'not being a name' etc but has then faced lesser opponents. You don't 'risk your health' against Algieri who no one had heard of until Pacquiao played yo-yo with him. Aside from Alvarez at the weekend, he's not been in the sort of fight your referring to since Garcia knocked him out.

I know Brook isn't blameless, it's been pretty uninspiring from him in terms of ambition but it should be such an easy fight to make and it has a title on the line. Why would you not want to see a fight that will probably divide opinion over a winner? He won't admit it but Khan knows there's a real chance he can lose.

BTW, Khan can't shift tickets off his own back either. He's hardly the second coming of Hatton.
 
Exactly this is what I'm saying, Khan and his supporters can bang on all they like about Brook and his 'inferior' opponents faced. The fact is, he's lost zero times, 4 less than Khan.
And as you say, Khan is nowhere near the blockbuster name in boxing he thinks he is. Absolutely spot on - Khan won't fight Brook purely because it would probably end his career.
 
Amir Khan is making himself look silly again. Not many A-list fighters 'boast' 4 defeats on their CV. But oh look he's got a ready made excuse for the weekend because he was stupid enough to think he could step up 2 divisions and win (yes £££). Most big rivals in boxing end up calling each other out and settling disputes, you look around all weight divisions and nearly all the big rivals have either fought each other or it's in the pipeline. To me, Khan's comments about Brook say only one thing - he's scared of a 5th defeat.
How he can make such disrespectful comments about someone with a world title and 100% record staggers me. If you dislike him that much and think you are better than him, there's only one thing to do.

That's the huge problem with boxing. "He's lost so he's not good enough."

Pacquiao has lost 6 fights.
Hopkins has lost 7 fights

I assume them 2 are shit as well? The list goes on. Fighters lose that's the reality, it doesn't make them shit. Khan lost to someone 2 weights bigger than him the other night. His other losses are 1 people thought he won (and he fought a drug cheat so there's more controversy) and the other 2 are fair losses, though 1 was a big step up early in his career.

I think he knew it was a huge challenge at the weekend, you're being naive or just ignoring everything he said BEFORE the fight if you think different. What's wrong with challenging yourself though? Yes he got big money for it as well but that's risk vs. reward. He had a good enough gameplan for the little time the fight was on but he got caught and in the end it doesn't matter.

Disrespectful? If you want disrespectful look at Kell Brook any time a fighter he "Wants" to fight has a fight. He calls them out, did it with Khan, did it with GGG and then he goes quiet again usually and fights the local plumber from down the road, the guys a joke of a champion really. I can't believe people defend him. His 100% world record is mainly fighting no mark fighters. He's got 1 good win on his record and even that was a controversial one that could of gone either way!

Like i said, he was never going to get slated for losing so there was no real risk. Lets get it right, he won maybe 3 rounds, he hasn't outboxed Alvarez for 3/4 of the fight and got caught with a lucky shot in the championship rounds, he's been cleaned up with one punch once Alvarez started cutting off the ring. It was about as routine a defence as i've seen from Canelo. At the time of the stoppage he was well in control, it wasn't some lucky punch that got him out of jail. Khan was handled and dealt with before half way, it's hardly a tale you'll tell your grandkids in years to come.

Saturday was a clever move and i'm not particularly referring to the weekends fight but Khan uses the same rhetoric about Brook 'not being a name' etc but has then faced lesser opponents. You don't 'risk your health' against Algieri who no one had heard of until Pacquiao played yo-yo with him. Aside from Alvarez at the weekend, he's not been in the sort of fight your referring to since Garcia knocked him out.

I know Brook isn't blameless, it's been pretty uninspiring from him in terms of ambition but it should be such an easy fight to make and it has a title on the line. Why would you not want to see a fight that will probably divide opinion over a winner? He won't admit it but Khan knows there's a real chance he can lose.

BTW, Khan can't shift tickets off his own back either. He's hardly the second coming of Hatton.

I'm not disputing that. Find me anywhere where anyone has? All I've said (and others) is he did well in what rounds were on and we are surprised he was down on the scorecards. That "one punch" whilst naive to step into would knock anyone out in that division and below...and probably above as well. It definitely wasn't routine either, he was struggling...watch the fight back. He got more comfortable but you implying it was easy for him is laughable really.

I don't know how people can dispute Khan has fought bigger names, he just has. There's no argument to be had there. Look at the rankings of the fighters. Frankie Gavin is a domestic boxer who got to fight for a world title. Kevin Bizier lost to Jo Jo Dan twice who people said was a joke of an opponent but let Brook off cos it wash is first defence. The fact is he's holding a title hostage because he's not big enough to sell fights on his own back so needs some insurance for it. If you want proof there was an interview with Eddie Hearn who basically admitted Brook is a no name and no one will fight him because he doesn't bring enough interest. I'm not having that Khan and every other welterweight is scared of Kell Brook...he's good but not that good!

And again, find me anywhere where I said Khan is a huge name or the 2nd coming of Hatton? I simply said he's a bigger name than Brook which he is and will be even bigger I'd guess after his last fight.

Exactly this is what I'm saying, Khan and his supporters can bang on all they like about Brook and his 'inferior' opponents faced. The fact is, he's lost zero times, 4 less than Khan.
And as you say, Khan is nowhere near the blockbuster name in boxing he thinks he is. Absolutely spot on - Khan won't fight Brook purely because it would probably end his career.

Kind of proving Khan's point by accident. He's lost 0 times because he's never fought anyone of note. I don't think Khan is a huge name but he is bigger than Brook, it's just a fact really. Dunno why people have got so up in arms about it. IF Brook was bigger why would Hearn offer Khan more of a split for their fight (as Hearn claims....which is usually bollocks I'd admit) kind of throwing his own fighter under the bus there.
 
Amir Khan is making himself look silly again. Not many A-list fighters 'boast' 4 defeats on their CV.

Manny Pacquiao has 6.
Wladimir Klitschko has 4.

Your point is still fairly valid (once you gloss over protected 0's - Mayweather, Garcia and Brook all have home town wins in their favour in this division) but there are notable exceptions in the A-list p4p bracket. Both Manny and Wlad have had multiple KO losses too.

Khan is amongst a world level ww bracket that have shared losses - Bradley should have 3, Porter has 1 and could easily have been 2 and Garcia flat out robbed Herrera, Brook got a favourable decision when he was in all sorts of trouble in the first Carson Jones fight. Not to mention that it's unfair as a base to judge him against the likes of Mayweather or clear p4p boxing legends who retained low amounts of losses in their careers.

As for Brook, I like the guy, I really do but he hasn't fought anyone who compares credibly against Khan's last 10 outside of Porter. He did amazing in that close fight and offered no rematch and has since held the belt hostage as bait for Khan for 2 straight years fighting people who would do the title "stiffs" an injustice.

He is the most protected fighter in modern boxing and quite frankly an embarrassment of a champion. And I say that because he has all the tools to win every major fight outside of Thurman, Pac and May that he should be matched against but simply isn't. It's terrible and it's the fans that are being screwed most for the sake of Matchroom sham marketing. We're watching arguably our greatest potential WW in modern times have his peak time of a career fizzle past him instead of setting the world alight.

Brook should be smashing through the likes of Guerrero, Berto, Rios as fodder and schooling Garcia, Broner, Peterson etc because he can. Not waiting and stalling his career for 1 pay day vs Khan. Get on with your life and take that fight when it happens. When you're busy watching someone so intently, you're losing focus on making the most out of what you could have been as time wastes away.
 
When is Brook going to fight someone decent?

Guy is pissing me off. Talks a lot, does feck all.
 
When is Brook going to fight someone decent?

Guy is pissing me off. Talks a lot, does feck all.

If he left Eddie Hearn then I'd guess sooner rather than later. He won't leave Hearn and will continue to get mis matched against fighters who don't stand a chance vs. him.
 
Isn't he trying to fight King Amir and being rebuked?!

Fight someone else then. If his whole idea is Khan or bust he's an idiot.

Even worse when Khan has come out and said the fight isn't happening. Does Kell Brook know there's more than 1 good welterweight in the world?

People like Vargas would be a decent name to fight and he'd probably win. Tim Bradley another, Shawn Porter rematch another.

For all people's talk of Khan being terrified of Brook he is still fighting and wantign to fight legit fighters...can't say the same for Brook. Watch his last fight vs. Bizier and listen to the Sky commentary and even they can't defend it and Matchroom are their big income for fights. If they're slating it you know you're doing something wrong.
 
Fight someone else then. If his whole idea is Khan or bust he's an idiot.

Even worse when Khan has come out and said the fight isn't happening. Does Kell Brook know there's more than 1 good welterweight in the world?

People like Vargas would be a decent name to fight and he'd probably win. Tim Bradley another, Shawn Porter rematch another.

For all people's talk of Khan being terrified of Brook he is still fighting and wantign to fight legit fighters...can't say the same for Brook. Watch his last fight vs. Bizier and listen to the Sky commentary and even they can't defend it and Matchroom are their big income for fights. If they're slating it you know you're doing something wrong.
Brook really is the definition of paper champion.

It's a shame because I think he's one of the most talented boxers around, but he's ducking everyone. I won't have it said all the rest are ducking him. That's nonsense. He could get a title fight sorted in America by tomorrow against a top 5 candidate. Could get one in England against a top 5 candidate. And I don't mean those nonsense mandatory.
 
Isn't he trying to fight King Amir and being rebuked?!

Is Khan the only fighter on this planet?

His defences since he's been world champion are Jo Jo Dan, Frankie Gavin and Bizier.

That's the worst run for a world champion I can ever recall. It's truly pathetic.
 
If he left Eddie Hearn then I'd guess sooner rather than later. He won't leave Hearn and will continue to get mis matched against fighters who don't stand a chance vs. him.

He really needs to move a stateside promoter so he can get the big fights. Pathetic run as a champion.
 
He really needs to move a stateside promoter so he can get the big fights. Pathetic run as a champion.

I'd like boxers in England to realise there's more to life than Eddie Hearn. I'd imagine it's tough cos he probably makes them a lot of money and in his defence they seem to get on with him so he must treat them alright but look at fighters like Khan and he's done well for himself without Hearn. Another example is Carl Frampton who's career has got better since ditching Hearn for Cyclone Promotions.

Hearn is obviously very good at marketing fighters and he is helped by having a huge cash cow in Joshua but for fans his protection of the boxers is so frustrating. Brook vs. Khan could of happened if Brook made some good defences I think but he didn't and his stock has fallen so low that no one really cares about him any more...it's a shame for Brook and a shame for the fans. I still think sometimes the best thing to happen to a boxer is if they lose early as they're all just obsessed with being unbeaten now as if it's a badge of honour. It's not impressive when you fight nobodies and beat them.
 
I still think sometimes the best thing to happen to a boxer is if they lose early as they're all just obsessed with being unbeaten now as if it's a badge of honour. It's not impressive when you fight nobodies and beat them.
Like Lennox. Lost twice, beat the people he lost to.

The undefeated thing is good from a marketing point of view, but you're right, sometimes the fighters themselves become afraid to lose and so don't take risks. This robs the sport.

Another good example is James DeGale. Hasn't let that loss stop him at all. He's a far better boxer now, in fact.
 
Like Lennox. Lost twice, beat the people he lost to.

The undefeated thing is good from a marketing point of view, but you're right, sometimes the fighters themselves become afraid to lose and so don't take risks. This robs the sport.

Another good example is James DeGale. Hasn't let that loss stop him at all. He's a far better boxer now, in fact.

Yeah I think it depends on the mentality of the boxer as well. I just think the longer your career goes on the more of a burden it becomes to be honest. Losing to Mayweather basically ended Hatton's career for example, I think that was one of the first fights in a long time up until then where both were unbeaten and both considered the best. It must of been hugely dejecting to lose like that really. If you lost earlier in your career though it's just forgotten about. Someone like Luke Campbell interests me to be honest more than some of these unbeaten fighters. He's not got a huge fear now. It's not the end of the world if you lose I honestly think it'd be a relief sometimes once the dust has settled.
 
Fight someone else then. If his whole idea is Khan or bust he's an idiot.

Even worse when Khan has come out and said the fight isn't happening. Does Kell Brook know there's more than 1 good welterweight in the world?

People like Vargas would be a decent name to fight and he'd probably win. Tim Bradley another, Shawn Porter rematch another.

For all people's talk of Khan being terrified of Brook he is still fighting and wantign to fight legit fighters...can't say the same for Brook. Watch his last fight vs. Bizier and listen to the Sky commentary and even they can't defend it and Matchroom are their big income for fights. If they're slating it you know you're doing something wrong.
Yeah, it's not like Khan's wasted the last 2-3 years begging for a Mayweather fight.

Pot. kettle, black.

He mentions Mayweather/Pac and a Garcia rematch in every interview yet they never seem to materialise. If you take Alvarez out of the equation, i really don't think Khan's roster of opponents is anything to shout about either. He summed it up himself in the Sky interview i just watched - 'i'm fighting the best people in the world, the biggest names in boxing like Canelo Alvarez and names like that' - such as who else??? Devon Alexander and a past it Luis Collazo?

I don't think Khan's scared of Brook but i do think he knows there's a realistic chance he could lose. I don't understand why people wouldn't want it to happen. Neither of them are a big sell in their own right but as a pairing it would do great numbers.
 
Yeah, it's not like Khan's wasted the last 2-3 years begging for a Mayweather fight.

Pot. kettle, black.

He mentions Mayweather/Pac and a Garcia rematch in every interview yet they never seem to materialise. If you take Alvarez out of the equation, i really don't think Khan's roster of opponents is anything to shout about either. He summed it up himself in the Sky interview i just watched - 'i'm fighting the best people in the world, the biggest names in boxing like Canelo Alvarez and names like that' - such as who else??? Devon Alexander and a past it Luis Collazo?

I don't think Khan's scared of Brook but i do think he knows there's a realistic chance he could lose. I don't understand why people wouldn't want it to happen. Neither of them are a big sell in their own right but as a pairing it would do great numbers.

I don't buy he's wasted it all. He's asked for that fight and it didn't happen. When it didn't happen he moved on and fought good level opponents. You dismiss the names all you want, no one said they're world beaters which is the weirdest part. You'd think people had said Khan had beat Mayweather, Pacquiao, Klitschko, Fury and GGG. People merely commented his level of opponent is far better than Brook's which it is. That's a fact. Look at records and they don't lie. Brook has fought jokes since he became a champion and before hand except 1 fight I'd argue all his opponents don't match up to the level Khan has fought.

Why are we suddenly being told to forget he fought Canelo as well? Cos it doesn't suit your argument that Khan has fought bigger fights? Lets see who Brook fights next I wouldn't be surprised if Eddie is wheeling out the old mandatory line in a few months time and Brook has another nobody on his CV whilst insisting he'll fight and beat every fighter there is.

He could lose and no one disputed that, the whole debate was that Khan isn't ducking Brook which you accused him of doing. And again who didn't want it to happen? I'd like to see the fight, think it would be good but I just don't buy this Khan ducking nonsense. My argument is simply look at the 2 camps. Eddie Hearn and matchroom have a history of protecting their investments for as long as possible. I think people are getting bored with Brook now so their hand is forced, again listen to the Sky commentary on his last fight...if Sky are saying something is a waste of time then you know it's getting a bit tedious to watch.
 
I genuinely don't know how people can say he's ducking Brook when he's just gone up TWO weight classes and fought one of the most devastating boxers around. People don't duck Brook and go and fight Canelo. I think "ducking" gets thrown around too much in boxing. I've heard people say it about Fury on Joshua, Khan on Brook and I've even heard Mayweather is ducking Pacquiao despite being retired!! Khan holds all the cards in a Brook fight which seems a reality people don't want to accept. Title or not Khan is the bigger name (especially after this weekend...Brook can't sell fights in Sheffield let alone America.) HE got 13million for the last fight apparently and is rumoured to be getting more for the Brook fight if it happens, it makes sense for him to do what he did. Brook isn't going nowhere and will always be begging for that fight. If you want to blame anyone for it not happening blame Eddie Hearn who is match making Brook against joke opponents and dressing them up as dangerous - Jo Jo Dan, Kevin Bizier, Frankie Gavin. Khan is right when he says Brook is a bit of a joke. Khan is fighting legitimate fighters and risking his health, Brook is fighting journeymen and demolishing them.

I dunno how he's getting to much credit either, he looked like he was winning the fight against someone much bigger than him, deserves a lot of credit for that.
Spot on.
Isn't he trying to fight King Amir and being rebuked?!
Brook needs to get his ass over to the US and test himself there.

He's desperate to take a shortcut and make a name for himself of the back Khans efforts over the last 5-6 years. 30 years old, 30 plus fights undefeated and pleading for a fight with Amir says a lot about the state of Kell's career.
 
I'd like boxers in England to realise there's more to life than Eddie Hearn. I'd imagine it's tough cos he probably makes them a lot of money and in his defence they seem to get on with him so he must treat them alright but look at fighters like Khan and he's done well for himself without Hearn. Another example is Carl Frampton who's career has got better since ditching Hearn for Cyclone Promotions.

Hearn is obviously very good at marketing fighters and he is helped by having a huge cash cow in Joshua but for fans his protection of the boxers is so frustrating. Brook vs. Khan could of happened if Brook made some good defences I think but he didn't and his stock has fallen so low that no one really cares about him any more...it's a shame for Brook and a shame for the fans. I still think sometimes the best thing to happen to a boxer is if they lose early as they're all just obsessed with being unbeaten now as if it's a badge of honour. It's not impressive when you fight nobodies and beat them.

Buncey had a stat the other day, GB has 12 world champions at the moment. Between all of them they've fought 18 past/current world champions. Amir Khan has fought 11 himself (12 if you include Canelo).

Hearn fighters just aren't being tested, such low quality opposition.
 
Khan's resume of good names:

Canelo, Garcia, Maidana, Judah, Malignaggi, Alexander, Peterson, Kotelnik, Collazo....

Brook:

Porter....................... I'd also give him Senchenko as half decent but even Malignaggi stopped him :lol:

Even some of Khan's fights against the likes of Julio Diaz would end up being better then 95% of the people Kell has fought.
 
Completely agree on the Khan hypocrisy, not only had he been begging for Floyd or Pac, he also had that silly rant on Canelo giving the fans the GGG fight......erm, the only fight people have truly wanted from Khan for like 2 years in Brook. No one wanted him to to go fight Canelo and lose, no one was really begging for him to take on Floyd or Pac and lose.

I realize Brook has also had it very easy, but at least he's running his mouth for a fight that would be rewarding to fans in Khan. Equal talent, both British, lot of heat between them and at their natural weight. No silliness. Just get it on. Though I'd also like to see him face a 'name' again, winner of Thurman-Porter ideally, wrap up the division and Khan's got no get out....AGAIN.

Golden Boy is holding a lot of shit back, which is also insane, given that DLH made his name on fighting the fights. Why's he now obsessed with making moves purely about protecting the money pot instead of making the fights, UFC proves people can rebound for losses comfortably. Boxing needs to stop being afraid of it.
 
Khan's resume of good names:

Canelo, Garcia, Maidana, Judah, Malignaggi, Alexander, Peterson, Kotelnik, Collazo....

Brook:

Porter....................... I'd also give him Senchenko as half decent but even Malignaggi stopped him :lol:

Even some of Khan's fights against the likes of Julio Diaz would end up being better then 95% of the people Kell has fought.

Julio Diaz drew with Porter in a very close fight before the Khan loss. He then lost on points by a decent margin to Porter in a rematch and got trounced by Thurman. That's more credible than anybody else on Brook's list (Porter aside obvs).