GGG has fought no one, why should Canelo fight him given he's fought numerous big names in Floyd, Cotto, Trout, Mosley!
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The bit re Mayweather isn't really true though. Mayweather ran a poll on Twitter asking who his next opponent would be and Khan won convincingly and he chose not to fight him anyway. To me that seems like whilst "begging" is a strong word people did want that fight. Khan's whole point re Brook is about not liking him as well. He doesn't feel he has done anything to earn a big fight, people like Khan for example and even the likes of Shawn Porter are fighting hard fights and earning a reputation. Brook basically wants to jump on the Khan reputation and make a lot of money off him. Khan doesnt like the guy so why would he just give him his biggest pay day? A Mayweather or Pacquiao fight is huge money for anyone so you can't really blame Khan or anyone for begging for that fight especially when they feel they earned it.
I don't know how Khan is getting the stick here I really don't. It's just odd. The guy has fought much bigger names, he literally just fought the biggest name in boxing at the moment and Brook is coming off a fight vs Kevin Bizier. Seriously it's just baffling....had it very easy is an understatement. I've honestly never known a more pathetic run of title defences than his. I didn't used to mind the guy, infact I liked him but he's just come across as either an absolute shit bag or just clueless about his own career since he won the title. Belts don't mean a great deal in boxing especially when a no mark like Kell Brook has them.
See this is what's confusing as well. GGG does seem to largely be avoided to the extent you could say people are "ducking" him (Saunders basically said as much in a press conference) but people accuse Khan of ducking Brook however cos people don't want to fight GGG he's not being ducked...he just hasn't fought big names. I agree to an extent and wouldn't call him a great fighter u til he fights a huge name but he hasn't had the chance and with him it doesn't seem like his choice...with Brook (or Eddie Hearn fighters) it definitely does.
That poll was insane - it was like Maidana or Khan. If you read the replies on it, other names got more mentions than both. It was just a troll job by Floyd, because like Khan feels Brook hasn't earned....he probably feels Khan hadn't earned or had the drawing power of Hatton to make it worth it.
It's not stick, I'm just saying it how it is, I want the fight, not Khan vs Canelo in an obvious KO for a cheap "jumped up 2 weight" gimmick think, no thanks, not Brook vs bums in obvious KO's, no thanks. Theres no bigger money fight for either RIGHT NOW than each other. Khan managed to fluke a Canelo fight, well not really given they are both under DLH. Now forget about America, have some easy welterweight, and get it on. Hopefully while Brook wins against the winner of Thurman-Porter, which may create some kind of "drawing" power in America for a Brook-Khan fight, but I still wouldn't put either on PPV there as the headline act.
It's not stick, I'm just saying it how it is, I want the fight, not Khan vs Canelo in an obvious KO for a cheap "jumped up 2 weight" gimmick think, no thanks, not Brook vs bums in obvious KO's, no thanks. Theres no bigger money fight for either RIGHT NOW than each other. Khan managed to fluke a Canelo fight, well not really given they are both under DLH. Now forget about America, have some easy welterweight, and get it on. Hopefully while Brook wins against the winner of Thurman-Porter, which may create some kind of "drawing" power in America for a Brook-Khan fight, but I still wouldn't put either on PPV there as the headline act.
Maybe he does feel that but the point still stands, people obviously wanted to see that fight. I've never seen anyone want to see Brook vs Mayweather. There genuinely was talk of people wanting Khan vs. Mayweather...a lot of people also thought it would be a bad fight for Floyd (I think he'd of won personally but who knows.)
I wanna see the fight as well mate I just can understand Khan's logic. He's moved on from it as well but Brook being caught up in it and seemingly fighting bums until he gets it won't help his cause. Again as I said previously I think his biggest mistake is sticking with Hearn. I don't know Brook and for all I know he may want big fights but Hearn won't get him them it seems it's a real shame cos he's a potentially very exciting fighter but I can't get excited with him fighting the Frankie Gavin's of the world. Move on from Khan. There's Shawn Porter, Thurman, Vargas, Bradley, Broner etc etc all out there who would probably take half the money Khan was rumoured!
Khan's resume of good names:
Canelo, Garcia, Maidana, Judah, Malignaggi, Alexander, Peterson, Kotelnik, Collazo....
Brook:
Porter....................... I'd also give him Senchenko as half decent but even Malignaggi stopped him
Even some of Khan's fights against the likes of Julio Diaz would end up being better then 95% of the people Kell has fought.
On top of that, in most of those fights he put in very good performances, with a questionable chin!
I don't remember the poll but there was definite interest in the fight. Myself included.
Khan isn't under Golden Boy, he's a Haymon fighter.
I just meant under as in being all pally, I wasn't sure which promotion he was with anymore. But I just know DLH likes him.
Hard to argue with that, classless move from Brook calling out Khan before anyone even knew if he was OK.
Agree, but Amir is wittering on about being in the class of Mayweather and Pacq and Kell is beneath him. Hmm, reality check. Kell best pay day.
In fairness biggest pay day doesn't mean he's the best fighter. Fury would probably get more money fighting Joshua than Klitschko but Joshua isn't even in that league.
It's funny when people talk about pay days and then get annoyed boxing is "all about money" and how the best don't fight the best. Which way do you want it? If you want Khan vs. Brook fair enough I do as well but then you talk about money....the reality is Khan fought Canelo for 13million dollars. He got knocked out, I guarantee if he wanted to fight Brook he'd get offered the exact same amount he was before the Canelo fight. If he fought Brook and lost then went to fight Canelo he'd get no where near as much money. Brook might be Khan's best pay day but that pay day isn't going anywhere so why should he worry?
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There's the test for Hearn and I suppose relates a bit to all this Khan/Brook stuff. Again I reiterate it's a common theme that Matchroom fighters don't often take big fights (unless they're the "lesser" fighter - see Quigg vs. Frampton.) Unlike Khan neither of these lads will get a bigger fight than this ever I'd argue so it's a real test.
Because he's clearly the other standout fighter in the division maybe? why would you not want the best to fight the best as a fan?
Anyone with eyes can see it's the fight to make at middleweight which is a pretty weak division.
It's a fair point. Maybe when the top guys are at their peak, people want to see them fight, but are a bit more forgiving for someone in Kahn's position, given many think he doesn't have too many fights left in him, at least not at the very top level.
I don't particularly rate Khan as highly as he seems to himself. I think he's got a weak chin and leaves it exposed to often so most "good" fighters with power will probably do him some damage (in fairness he did well vs. Maidana) and whilst he could outbox Brook, Brook has the power to knock Khan out quite easily.
I think it's hard career choices though. He genuinely at one point thought he had a lot of avenues. Mayweather was leading him down a line every single fight it seemed, Brook is desperate to fight him and he got the Canelo fight. Now Mayweather has retired, he's fought Canelo and Brook still wants him. He doesn't like Brook so doesn't want to give him that pay day and Khan can still make good money in the states.
I agree with earlier sentiments boxing is to political and money motivated but at the same time they can't win. I'm glad they get paid big money in comparison to the UFC cos it's hugely dangerous sports.
How isn't UFC a dangerous sport by the way? Either way, both are now becoming huge for local scenes where people are just fighting for pittances, I think people just love getting their heads kicked in. I'm seeing loads starting their "unofficial" bouts in their mid 20's all of a sudden, bit mad.
My favourite Floyd video ever
Canelo-Khan bombed. Refusing to release numbers to confirm it. Khan's staying on undercards if he's staying in American then, given the probable sub 500k were probably all Mexican.
Source?
I haven't seen anything yet. Heard numbers were coming out tomorrow though.
Edit: Just saw Steve Kim's twitter, hopefully he's wrong
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Bit of a worry for boxing that really. I'd suggest it means Canelo needs a mega fight (i.e. Golovkin) but realistically would that do huge numbers? GGG isn't really a massive name outside boxing fans, he doesn't have huge drawing power really due to his lack of huge fights and it'd have to be marketed very well to do big numbers to be honest.
The reality for me is there is no Mayweather anymore and maybe for the time being boxing is done drawing huge numbers? Look at the top 10 sold PPVs:
1) Mayweather vs Pacquiao
2) Mayweather vs De La Hoya
3) Mayweather vs. Canelo
4) Tyson vs. Holyfield (2)
5) Tyson vs. Lewis
6) Tyson vs. Holyfield
7) Tyson vs. McNeeley
8) Pacquiao vs. Marquez
9) Mayweather vs. Moseley
10) De La Hoya vs. Trinidad
The "main" fighter on them cards has all retired now or is inactive. There's just no interesting fighter really like a Mayweather who will attract an audience. It says it all when despite apparently being retiredh e's the face of boxing. I think the main solution is not to bank on just a main event. The undercard on Canelo vs. Khan was shite, it could of done with another biggish fight on there to sell it and get people watching. Look at the UFC model....I know boxing pays more so can't afford to do what UFC does but they often have stacked cards from fight 1 to the main event. It must be possible to have at least 2 good fights in a boxing event.
The one person who I imagine is happy with this really is Eddie Hearn, he has potential to have boxings biggest cash cow in Joshua and could do big numbers on PPV (look at 4-7 on that list for example, Tyson is also tied with 10th as well.) One thing I'd give Hearn is he can sell a fight and especially to casual fans. He also gets a lot of big enough names on a card...albeit in 1 sided fights.
Boxing PPV has struggled without Mayweather really in recent years, the fact he's in 4 of the Top 10 selling fights is pretty damning for the other fights, especially when he was the main attraction in all of them pretty much.
The reality for me is there is no Mayweather anymore and maybe for the time being boxing is done drawing huge numbers? Look at the top 10 sold PPVs:
1) Mayweather vs Pacquiao
2) Mayweather vs De La Hoya
3) Mayweather vs. Canelo
4) Tyson vs. Holyfield (2)
5) Tyson vs. Lewis
6) Tyson vs. Holyfield
7) Tyson vs. McNeeley
8) Pacquiao vs. Marquez
9) Mayweather vs. Moseley
10) De La Hoya vs. Trinidad
The "main" fighter on them cards has all retired now or is inactive. There's just no interesting fighter really like a Mayweather who will attract an audience. It says it all when despite apparently being retiredh e's the face of boxing. I think the main solution is not to bank on just a main event. The undercard on Canelo vs. Khan was shite, it could of done with another biggish fight on there to sell it and get people watching. Look at the UFC model....I know boxing pays more so can't afford to do what UFC does but they often have stacked cards from fight 1 to the main event. It must be possible to have at least 2 good fights in a boxing event.
The one person who I imagine is happy with this really is Eddie Hearn, he has potential to have boxings biggest cash cow in Joshua and could do big numbers on PPV (look at 4-7 on that list for example, Tyson is also tied with 10th as well.) One thing I'd give Hearn is he can sell a fight and especially to casual fans. He also gets a lot of big enough names on a card...albeit in 1 sided fights.
Boxing PPV has struggled without Mayweather really in recent years, the fact he's in 4 of the Top 10 selling fights is pretty damning for the other fights, especially when he was the main attraction in all of them pretty much.
Those numbers say more about Canelo than Khan tbh.
Edit: didn't Manny v Bradley lose money as well?
Edit: didn't Manny v Bradley lose money as well?
Struggling to believe that they'd refuse to release 600k, since that's better than Manny and Floyd's last two outings, which is what DLH said they'd "easily" beat, so that'd look fine bigging up Canelo and Khan could chirp in with it too. Though I doubt Khan had an effect on the numbers at all, Canelo did like 350k two years before his big push.....so he should naturally be doing 400-600k against anyone now anyway. But his last two non Cotto fights weren't on PPV, so hard to judge.
I'd guesstimate between 380-450k. Which had they not been so cocky about being so big, would be fine numbers.
I still think Canelo-GGG does big numbers based on the hyperbole of it.
I'd guesstimate between 380-450k. Which had they not been so cocky about being so big, would be fine numbers.
I still think Canelo-GGG does big numbers based on the hyperbole of it.
If it did just under 600k, that'd be a good number. That's like $40m in US PPV revenue alone. I doubt it did that much though. I'm guessing somewhere between 450k-500k.
Fight almost certainly off, and probably a one year suspension at minimum. A Russian fighter tested positive for this substance and was banned for two years -- with Povetkin's status, he'll either get a more lenient sentence or a much tougher one.
stupid.He would get well over 100m for that fight.. For fighting a non boxer! He could then transition over to a Manny rematch for another 100m plus payday and take us all for fools.
I really dont care as much as others seem to about the circus aspect, the problem I have is this would count as 50-0 and I don't think that is right.
I really dont care as much as others seem to about the circus aspect, the problem I have is this would count as 50-0 and I don't think that is right.
I really don't know why people play to watch him. Surely, he is a great boxer, but there is absolutely no entertainment on his fights.
"Pretty sure it's going to be a tough fight for me" -- Mayweather, selling snake oil for well over a decade.
"He's no pushover". Pretty sure he'd say that about me, if asked.
He's a young hungry lion!
People watched him to see if anyone could beat him. Some people might say he was boring, but there are many ways to box. Mayweather is arguably one of the top five most technically gifted boxers ever. The entertainment for me was always in seeing whether anyone could figure out a way to beat him.
Jesuz how many Russians are on Meldonium.
Be interesting to see the drug testing history for a couple of other Russian/Eastern bloc boxers, no names.
Floyd-Conor will be the biggest flop in history. As proven with Canelo-Khan, a fight no one is demanding due to it's gimmickness doesn't sell as well as people would like.
If some idiot is willing to give Floyd a guaranteed purse for it, then well, be it on them.
Floyd-Canelo II, Floyd-GGG, hell I'd care about pretty much any Floyd boxing match as long as it isn't simply a Berto joke fight again, which also proved the point above.
If some idiot is willing to give Floyd a guaranteed purse for it, then well, be it on them.
Floyd-Canelo II, Floyd-GGG, hell I'd care about pretty much any Floyd boxing match as long as it isn't simply a Berto joke fight again, which also proved the point above.
I'd like to think Floyd respects the sport enough to not fight McGregor for his 50th. Heck, who am I kidding...
I honestly wouldn't be bothered watching Floyd v McGregor, which I don't think will happen anyway. It's not WWE, but this fight if made would smack of it. It would embarrass the MMA crowd, which is why it won't happen.
Even Floyd with his broken hands would KO McGregor inside 2