The RedCafe Boxing Thread

starman said:
Didn't explain my point properly, nevertheless it all comes back too what Roach said about Oscar in that he is not a Mosley and the same applies to Cotto and Clottey. Mosley fights on the front foot and is pound 4 pound one of the biggest puncher around, so a hell of a lot dangerous then Cotto or Clottey.
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Mosley LOST to Cotto. :lol: And in no way is Shane one of the hardest punchers pound for pound. He hits hard, sure, but he's not a murderous puncher.

Were Mosley & Pac made at 147 then by all mean he can call himself a full Welterwight, but as Roach has never say anything other then a fight between the two being at a catch weight I still don't think you can think otherwise.
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The fact that Pac has kicked the shit out of two top 5 welters, and holds a belt at the weight would suggest that he is certainly a full welterweight. Roach saying Pac is comfortable at 147 and staying at welter is confirmation, IMO. An interview from over a year ago means feck all.

As for Mayweather at 147 it was the only weight it will happen at, he would never had agreed to a catch weight and in fact Mayweather originally wanted it at 154, plus also he is not a dangerous fighter in the sense he might KO or man handle Manny.
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He is the favourite against Shane, a guy you seem to think Pac/Roach will only agree to fight at a catchweight.

As for Manny fighting at 140 it looks like Valero or Marquez might be a possibility, doubt he will do a bitch move like Mayweather and make them jump up two weight classes.
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If he fights either of those guys, it is a complete bitch move. There is one fight out there for him, and one only. The winner of Floyd/Shane. If Shane wins and the Pac camp insist on a catchweight, it is faggotry of the highest order. I am certain they won't, though.

If Floyd wins (as I expect him to), I hope the fight with Pac is made, and I hope Pac beats Floyd like a drum.

Either way, you are entitled to your opinion about the whole "is Pac a legit welterweight" issue, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Mosley LOST to Cotto. :lol: And in no way is Shane one of the hardest punchers pound for pound. He hits hard, sure, but he's not a murderous puncher.
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So, was that the same Cotto who was plastered (pardon the pun) by Margarito who himself went on to lose Mosley, anyway regardless of that, that's not the point, Mosley is the most dangerous fighter at welter for Manny due to his style.

Also Mosley with a 75% KO percentage, who knocked-down and stopped the guy who many regarded as having the best chin in boxing, has a big claim too being top 10 or even top 5 p4p biggest puncher today.

Lance Uppercut said:
The fact that Pac has kicked the shit out of two top 5 welters, and holds a belt at the weight would suggest that he is certainly a full welterweight. Roach saying Pac is comfortable at 147 and staying at welter is confirmation, IMO. An interview from over a year ago means feck all.
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His Weltweight belt he holds was won at a catch weight.
Roach has also said a few days ago that he is looking too fight Marquez or Valero, this is assuming they will fight below 147.

Lance Uppercut said:
If he fights either of those guys, it is a complete bitch move. There is one fight out there for him, and one only. The winner of Floyd/Shane. If Shane wins and the Pac camp insist on a catchweight, it is faggotry of the highest order. I am certain they won't, though.
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I hope any fight between the two is at the 147 limit cos if its not it will hurt Manny big time, I still have my doubts though...
 
I disagree about Mosley as a puncher. Remember, it took him 12 rounds to KO Mayorga, a guy that Oscar TKO'd in 6. Tito managed it in 8.

I also believe Floyd is the biggest threat to Pac at 147. I can envisage Floyd potshotting Pac to a boring decision. Pac/Shane would be a much more entertaining fight, IMO, so let's hope for that.

Anyone sit through Wlad/Chambers? You would think I learned my lesson after watching the Sultan/Thompson/Chagaev fights. Nope. :(

At least I didn't pay for it.
 
Got a stream up just before the knock out. Doesn't sound like I missed much.

About Mosley, he hasn't really been a one-punch KO type guy since lightweight, more a very heavy-handed accumulation puncher. More a Hagler/Castillo than a Hearns/Corrales if that makes sense. I'm a fan of that type of fighter though and I rate his power alot - breaking down Margarito was an impressive feat. I wouldn't read too much into when he stopped Mayorga. He had an off-night but when he did unload on him it was brutal.

 
starman said:
His Weltweight belt he holds was won at a catch weight.
Roach has also said a few days ago that he is looking too fight Marquez or Valero, this is assuming they will fight below 147.



I hope any fight between the two is at the 147 limit cos if its not it will hurt Manny big time, I still have my doubts though...
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I hope to feck any future fights against welters are at 147. I adore Manny, and the Cotto stipulation was understandable enough as he was so new to the higher weight classes, but he'll only damage his standing historically if he leys his management pull this shite again. I don't think the 145 stipulation made any difference to the outcome of the Cotto fight, but if he pulls that again it'll be a big question mark against a potentially historic run at welterweight.

I have no problem with him dropping down to junior-welter in the meantime though for a fight or two if his strength and conditioning team feel it won't hinder his effectiveness in moving up to welter full-time (ie; no catchweight shite) by late 2010. Marquez or Valero followed by Bradley would be a pair of dangerous, exciting fights that would cement his status historically in another weight class, and would still free him up to go after Floyd and/or Shane in late 2010/2011. Both of those welters fight very irregularly, and Bradley especially would still be a competitive fight and a significant win, so I see it as no bad thing if he cleans house at junior-welter before taking another run at welter.
 
Matthew Hatton won european title, hopefully he might get another shot at the world title he was very unlucky to miss out on last time round.
 
Really? I watched a bit and it looked like he was getting tagged a lot, switched over to some shite though because my girlfriend doesn't like boxing.
 
Oh man you guys have got one helluva match to wake up to.

Abraham loses by DQ. He was losing badly about 9 rounds to 1 and suddenly woke up lighting up Dirrell. Early in the round he knocks Dirrell down but it's, wrongly, ruled a trip. Then with about 30 seconds left in the round he backs Dirrell into the corner. Dirrell slip alittle and gets hit and drops into a crouch. AA hits him in the face and Dirrell is "KO'd." AA is DQed for hitting him while he was down but it looked like Dirrell was putting on a show.

Then in the interview Dirrell believes that he has lost the fight and is totally befuddled (still acting?).

Surreal fight. Absolutely Surreal.
 
Was just out read up on everything as I gotta get the fight reports in for my site, sounds nuts.
Im hearing of brain swelling etc


On another note was in a club in West End saw David Haye, if he loses next week its his own fault!
 
Yeah bizarre end to the fight, need to watch it again to see if Dirrell was faking his reaction or not. Seems odd that he'd do something like that when he was winning by a mile but I suppose Abraham had started to get back into the fight a little bit by that point.

Proper cheap shot by Abraham tho, he can't really have any major complaints... Dirrell was on the canvas completely exposed.

Couple of other fights on last night as well... Maidana stopped Kayo in the mid rounds with a body shot. Quite an exciting fight in the end. Gamboa won a clear UD over Barros earlier on, too.
 
Predictions for Haye/Ruiz?

I am going to go with Haye KO4. But it's hard to write Ruiz off. He's like a goddamn dose of herpes. Just keeps coming back.

I know Sauerland have options on Haye for a Valueless rematch. I wonder if, god forbid, Ruiz wins, the options carry over?

Valueless vs Ruiz 3. Imagine it. *shudders*
 
When they went to lift his arm then he winced as his right arm was lifted and put his hand to his shoulder - maybe why he only used his left for the vast majority?

He was bloody awful though, agree any talk of a line up with Haye is crazy.
 
He's just said he shoulder was fecked and he couldn't use his right side at all after the second round. It was clear something was wrong, he didn't throw a single right hand in 10 rounds, so I guess to be fair we should give him some credit for hanging in with one arm and landing a punch like that.
 
R_Nick said:
He's just said he shoulder was fecked and he couldn't use his right side at all after the second round. It was clear something was wrong, he didn't throw a single right hand in 10 rounds, so I guess to be fair we should give him some credit for hanging in with one arm and landing a punch like that.
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Yeah if that's the case then fair play to him, i was only watching it on and off so hadn't realised he'd been so reliant on his left.

Still though I don't really rate the guy - maybe he'll go on to prove me wrong but I just don't think he's at the level he thinks he is.
 
:lol: He looks like he should be throwing pizza dough in the air

that's racist

Fight is pretty good too.
 
I would love to say Haye and Harrison fight, just to see Harrison get sparked in the first.

Lovely stuff
 
No surprise there.

Decent win for Berto, Saturday. I actually watched Holyfield/Botha. :lol:
 
CLK_FPC said:
Did you pay?
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feck NO.

I only pay for quality fights. I have no problem shelling out for the likes of Froch/Kessler, but not for that joke. I didn't even attempt to watch a stream of Roid/Hopkins 2.
 
BBC Sport - Wladimir Klitschko calls for David Haye to fight him

Wladimir Klitschko calls for David Haye to fight him

Wladimir Klitschko has accused Britain's WBA world heavyweight champion David Haye of "running away".

Haye withdrew from a fight with the IBF and WBO title holder last June because of injury but says he is now ready to fight him, or his brother Vitali.

Responding in a video message to Haye, the 34-year-old Ukranian said: "I am officially calling you out to fight me.

"You can't run away from me forever and you need to follow through with this fight to get respect. I'm ready."

Kiltschko also accused 29-year-old Haye of ducking a fight with Vitali.

Haye entered talks with Wladimir's older brother but opted instead to challenge Nikolay Valuev in November, winning that fight on a majority decision to claim the WBA title.

That was followed by a successful defence against American John Ruiz on 3 April, after which Haye said he would "take on the Klitschkos now, no doubt about it."

Haye's contract with Valuev had a rematch clause in it, but the Londoner is keen to avoid facing the giant Russian again.

"I'd like to fight again this year, in October or November," he said, while earmarking the 80,000-capacity Wembley Stadium as his preferred venue.

"I wouldn't have any qualms about fighting anyone. Look at my career to date - I'll fight anybody and go anywhere."

Vitali's next fight is against London-based Pole Albert Sosnowski next month, while Wladimir knocked out Eddie Chambers in March in the 12th round of a sterile contest.

Haye withdrew from a planned fight against Wladimir with a back injury he suffered in training.

Before the injury, Haye had infuriated the Klitschko camp by appearing in a T-shirt bearing a picture of himself holding the decapitated heads of Vitali and Wladimir.
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He's going to have to fight one of them sooner rather than later. Vitali didn't look great in his last fight, and Wlad's chin isn't amazing, so Haye at least stands a chance against either of them. But, to be honest, with the flaws he has, I can't see him winning.

I'd say he could do with another fight or two before he's ready to step in the ring with either Klitschko, because they present a significant step-up from the competition he's faced so far. But then when you run round mouthing off demanding fights with them, then back out at the last minute, time isn't something you have in abundance. Unless it's against the Arreola-Adamek winner, I don't think anyone will be content if Haye signs to fight someone other than Wlad or Vitali. And now he's got Wlad directly calling him out... well, at some point he's gonna have to back up all that trash talking he's been doing.
 
I believe Haye is tied to the promoter of the Valuev fight for two more fights, and also has a rematch clause with Valuev.

So, I guess this would need to be sorted out
 
I've read that the Klitschko's are very hard to deal with. I remember Haye saying on 5live before he hurt his hand he was geting close to nothing for fighting Wlad in Germany. I wonder were it will happen this fight Germany or England.
 
mr.suave said:
He's going to have to fight one of them sooner rather than later. Vitali didn't look great in his last fight, and Wlad's chin isn't amazing, so Haye at least stands a chance against either of them. But, to be honest, with the flaws he has, I can't see him winning.

I'd say he could do with another fight or two before he's ready to step in the ring with either Klitschko, because they present a significant step-up from the competition he's faced so far. But then when you run round mouthing off demanding fights with them, then back out at the last minute, time isn't something you have in abundance. Unless it's against the Arreola-Adamek winner, I don't think anyone will be content if Haye signs to fight someone other than Wlad or Vitali. And now he's got Wlad directly calling him out... well, at some point he's gonna have to back up all that trash talking he's been doing.
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I don't know where I possibly get this impression from... I take it you're not David Haye's greatest supporter then? :D
 
Haha, just read my post back and I certainly give that impression off. But nah, I actually like Haye, he brings excitement to a lacklustre division and has the skillset and personality to become a real crossover star, which is always a good thing for the sport.

But considering the amount of shit he's spewed this last 12 months or so (for publicity or otherwise), despite only having a handful of credible wins to his name... well, he's going to look a prize prick if he doesn't back it up. At this stage I just don't see him beating either of the Klitschkos. If he'd been a little more patient, got a couple more fights under his belt at heavyweight then he'd be far better prepared. But now you have Wlad calling him out, and boxing fans all over wanting to see him back up his talk, he doesn't really have much more time to prepare. I just don't want to see him look foolish, because if anyone can break up the Eastern European stranglehold on the heavyweight division then it's him.

That said, with a possible rematch against Valuev (not sure anyone wants that) and the laughable state of the WBA, it could well be feckin ages before we see him in the ring with a Klitschko, thus rendering most of my post completely wrong.
 
Haye will fight one or both of them sooner or later, personally I would like to see him have a couple more defences first to just iron out a few of the little issues he has. Haye has speed and power, something of which the Klitcshko's haven't faced recently and I would fancy his chances if he can connect early but if it goes long I think he runs out of gas.
 
Aye his stamina still looks pretty dodgy. Worse since going to up heavyweight, in fact, but he's packed on a lot of extra mass since he's moved up, so it's no surprise.

His speed and power might cause Wlad some problems, especially if, like you said, he lands summat big early on, but I think he'll be even more cautious than usual against Haye... probably be about the 8th round before he even throws a right hand. Vitali can take a mean shot, so don't think the power factors in there... Haye probably has to win a decision, which won't be easy. Depends how much Vitali is on the decline... looked very good against Arreola, but considerably worse against Kevin Johnson, despite pulling off a near-shutout. But fighters can become old overnight in this game, especially when he hasn't faced a fighter of Haye's calibre for years now, so you never know.
 
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