The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Hatton said he wants to fight a big name. Since Mayweather he has looked very average in my opinion and I would be surprised to see him put in a good performance against a top fighter. I think he should have called it a day after Manny knocked him out. He really looked in a bad way when he was on the floor of that ring.
 
You have to be fair to Hatton, in his career he's lost to Manny and Mayweather, there's not a lot of shame to be had there! I was at his laboured victory against Lazcano, not a surprise having been put down for the first time in his career, and the fight after that he comfortably beat the hyped Malignaggi

It's his age combined with the condition he lets himself get into in-between fights that has to worry you at this stage. 31 isn't that old, but you surely can't treat your body like that forever, it's going to affect your performance in the end

I did hear Hatton scold his camp prior to Manny, saying he's have lost to a lesser fighter it was that bad. Have there been any articles about that?
 
Not sure it's a good idea for Hatton to get back in the ring. He keeps saying he wants to go out in style with a bit of a war, which I can understand, and obviously one last payday would be nice.

But can he even make 140 anymore without killing himself to make weight? He's a fat feckin bastard right now, looks like he weighs about 15 stone. His legacy won't be tarnished that badly if he goes out with 2 losses against p4p champs, but is it worth risking a loss against a lesser opponent?

That said, I'd love to see him in there with Katsidis - that has fight of the year candidate written all over it.
 
B Cantona said:
You have to be fair to Hatton, in his career he's lost to Manny and Mayweather, there's not a lot of shame to be had there! I was at his laboured victory against Lazcano, not a surprise having been put down for the first time in his career, and the fight after that he comfortably beat the hyped Malignaggi

It's his age combined with the condition he lets himself get into in-between fights that has to worry you at this stage. 31 isn't that old, but you surely can't treat your body like that forever, it's going to affect your performance in the end

I did hear Hatton scold his camp prior to Manny, saying he's have lost to a lesser fighter it was that bad. Have there been any articles about that?
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Hatton mentioned the camp in his interview about coming back.

The bolded bit is kind of my point. He could quit now and he could still say that he only lost to the two best boxers on the planet. Lazcano was a bad performance and from memory, I don't think Malignaggi threw a hurtful punch all night.

Maybe Hatton feels he has something to prove, but I think he should just walk away. His lifestyle, his last few performances plus a year out of the ring doesn't make me feel great about his prospects. Nobody wants to see him tarnish his legacy by losing again or getting seriously hurt by another punishing knockout.
 
It appears Floyd Mayweather will be involved in a super fight in May; it just won't involve Manny Pacquiao.

According to ESPN.com, Mayweather and Shane Mosley have agreed to terms on a bout which will take place on May 1 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

"Shane has signed. I sat with him [Friday] and we went through every provision of the contract and he signed," Mosley's attorney Judd Burstein told ESPN.com. "He is excited to move forward with the bout."

Mayweather, whose March 13 fight with Manny Pacquiao fell apart because of a disagreement over drug testing protocol, is expected to sign on to the deal in the next few days with a formal announcement expected next week.

"All of the deal points have been agreed to," Mayweather adviser Leonard Ellerbe told ESPN.com. "We still have to put pen to paper, but everything is agreed to. It's with the lawyers. Shane is a great fighter, one of the best of his era, and so is Floyd. It's going to be a great fight. It's a fight fans have wanted to see for a long time."

While details of the deal were not revealed, Mayweather has the option for an immediate rematch in the event he loses to Mosley.
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The second best superfight then, I will look forward to it immensely.
 
Just watched it, massive respect for Valero getting through that fight, not only that but winning it in style after getting that huge gash on his forehead early on.

I had seen little of him before purely becuase his fights were so short but he showed he is very slick and throws great combo's, reminiscent of Manny.

His wife looks extremely young though. :nervous:
 
Valero really impressed me the other night... showed that he has a lot more to his game than having a ridiculously hard punch. Much more intelligent than I've ever seen him fight before. Never been all that much of a fan but if he turns in a few more performances like that then he'll have won me over.

Oh and his wife is well fit I reckon.
 
She's pretty yes, but she does look really young, looks like she could be his daughter.

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Just look at the boxing schedule and April 17th looks like a great night:

WBC super middleweight title: Carl Froch vs. Mikkel Kessler
WBA super middleweight title: Andre Ward vs. Allen Green
WBC/WBO middleweight title: Kelly Pavlik vs. Sergio Gabriel Martinez
IBF super middleweight title: Lucian Bute vs. Edison Miranda

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Also never knew Jermain Taylor pulled out of the super six, says hes retired but might come back in the future.
 
Shit I didn't know Taylor had pulled out either.

Was probably for the best, his recent record is pretty poor for a fighter of his calibre... losses to Pavlik, Froch and Abraham (3 of those have been KOs) punctuated by a win over Lacy, who let's face it, is abysmal these days.

Shame really, cos he's one of the genuine nice guys of boxing, but he needs to think about his health tbh.

All those fights on the same night then Starman? Super-middleweight is a quality division at the moment. 140 is shaping up nicely, too... some potentially great match-ups bouts knocking around there.
 
Yup, all on the same night, its actually going too be a bad thing though, HBO are going directly up against Showtime so 2 of the 4 fights will only be able to be seen live.

Given that choice I would watch:
Carl vs. Kessler and Pavlik vs. Martinez

Hopefully those two fights won't be on at the same time.
 
Kessler vs Froch is being held in Denmark, so I don't believe you have anything to worry about.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
Kessler vs Froch is being held in Denmark, so I don't believe you have anything to worry about.
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Nice, hopefully its not going too be a PPV fight.

Amir Khan is set to make his American debut against Paulie Malignaggi after Juan Manuel Marquez rejected the chance to box the Brit.

Lightweight king Marquez did not want to step up to 140lbs to fight WBA lightwelterweight champ Khan after his defeat to Floyd Mayweather Junior.

The Mexican's refusal to fight Khan leaves the way clear for Malignaggi to step in. The fast-talking New Yorker was the original choice. Malignaggi is the ideal opponent to make Khan's name in America and the former IBF king is w e l l known i n h i s homeland and has a big following in New York.

Us broadcaster HBO has given Khan a TV date of May 15 and the Malignaggi fight will probably take place at Madison Square Garden.
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Amir Khan set to take on Paulie Malignaggi in US debut - mirror.co.uk

Kevin Mitchell is almost certain to fight the exciting Australian Michael Katsidis for the WBO lightweight title in London in late May or early June.

Mitchell retained his WBO Intercontinental belt at Wembley Arena on Saturday night with a right hand that knocked the Colombian Ignacio Mendoza off his feet in the second round and left him sprawled in a corner, counted out. It was as sweet a right hand as he can ever have thrown.
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Kevin Mitchell heads for WBO title showdown with Michael Katsidis | Sport | guardian.co.uk
 
Malignaggi is a great fight for Khan and a good barometer as to how much he's actually improved under Roach.

I actually really like Paulie, he's slick, got great speed and is a tough little bastard... if he had any sort of power - and I'm not talking about one punch power, just a little bit of pop - he'd be true p4p material. If Khan beats him it'd be far and away the best name on his resume.

But I reckon Khan outworks him to be honest. Can see him winning rounds by catching the judges' attention with fast combinations. From what I've read he seems quite confident of the victory and reckons Paulie's style will make him look good. Hope so, really, cos I like Khan and think he has the potential to go far. Although anyone has a punchers chance against Khan, even Paulie... if he can stun Juan Diaz he could probably deck Khan, lol.

Anyway, If he wins this, takes on Maidana, and maybe one more fight we could be set for a fight between him and Bradley, which, providing both keep winning and raising their profiles could be a huge fight.
 
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I hope Kessler destroys him. However, he looked like a shadow of his former self against Ward. Constantly beaten to the punch, out roughed and outworked. I hope it was merely a blip.

Prior to the Ward fight I made Kessler favourite for the tournament, and thought he would beat the hell out of Froch. I'm not so sure now. I still don't rate Froch, but that last performance from Kessler worries me.
 
And since Green has taken Taylor's place in the Super Six, it gives me the opportunity to post one of my favourite youtube vids.


 
I'd be extremely surprised if Kessler lost.

Froch's defence is wide open, he throws telegraphed looping shots and his skill set is generally just a level or two below Kessler's.

Kessler has been really inactive this last couple of years, which never really helps, but I don't think his performance against Ward told us that he's deteriorated to the point where he'll lose to Froch. The only way he loses is if he tries to stand and trade for extended periods, which I can't see happening. He'll catch Froch with plenty of straight, accurate punches and I think he might even stop him.
 
I generally agree, Kessler has trouble with guys who possess fast hands, something Froch can never be accused of.

Since his enforced lay off, though, Kessler has only been in with Ward and Perdomo. And to be honest, he looked a tad uncomfortable early on in that fight. Coupled with how he looked against Ward, I'm not as convinced as I once was. That said, I gave Froch zero shot.

Froch pisses me off due to his over inflated opinion of himself. Taylor clowned him until he did what Taylor always does, and I thought he lost to Dirrell. If he somehow manages to get a result against Kessler we'll never hear the end of it.
 
Yeah he was lucky as feck in his last 2 fights. Taylor was beating him comfortably til his stamina faded and Dirrell probably won as well (horrible fight, mind).

Having said that I applaud how Froch is always up for a fight against anyone, anywhere. Fair play for winning a belt and then heading straight over to the US to defend it against Taylor. If more fighters (and promoters) had this sort of attitude the sport would be so much better.
 
I can't argue with your last point. The sport would be a whole lot less frustrating.
 
Tyson Fury won again in the 1st round tonight, looked in a bit better shape to me but was obviously fighting a bum.
 
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I think it is, most of it uses Roach's own words the videomaker depite his disclaimer has an agenda but it makes very valid points
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A few valid points exaggerated to the point of nut-hugging hyperbole. Notable for completely dodging the issue of Floyd's opponents over the past 5 years, and the fact that Pac had already cemented himself as a Hall of Famer before he even fought at lightweight.

The Hatton segment was particularly laughable. His chin was deteriorating, but he wasn't 'almost knocked out' by Lazcano. He was slightly wobbled in a fight he won overwhemingly on the scorecards. Floyd beat him at welterweight where Hatton was never going to be competitive - the Collazo fight demonstrated that his advantages in strength and pressure were basically neutered at that weight. If he was damaged goods when Pac got to him the same is true for when Floyd beat him. It was the Tszyu fight that wrecked Hatton. There's little to suggest that he deteriorated too much further between the Floyd and Pac fights - he'd virtually whitewashed Lazcano and turned in his best performance since Tszyu against Malinaggi - which compares favourably with what he did between Tszyu and Floyd bar Collazo at the higher weight class. Pac's win over Hatton is more significant than Floyd's. Pac annihilated him at a weight class where he'd never been beaten, and at a weight Pac had only fought at once previously. Floyd beat him less convincingly at a weight class Hatton had never hinted at being cometitive in.

The catch-weight slightly diminishes Pac's victory over Cotto, but the fact remains its by far the biggest win either of them have had since Pac at 130lbs and below and Floyd at lightweight and below. Clottey vs Cotto actually stands in Pac's favour. If Cotto was wrecked Clottey would have took him out. He almost beat Margarito for crying out loud, and he's never lost to a non-elite welter. Until Floyd actually steps in the ring against Mosley, Clottey and Cotto will be far more impressive opposition than anything Floyd's took on in about 5 years at that weight class.

Floyd's an all-timer in terms of talent, but there's no denying Pac has had the greater career at this point, both in their 'prime' weight classes and when they've moved up in weight. You know your boxing CLK - please tell me you don't buy into the drivel spouted in that video.
 
Cheers for that interview CLK, enjoyed it.

Anyway, anyone catch Alexander-Urango at the weekend? Very, very impressed by Alexander's performance who, to be honest, I didn't rate all that highly beforehand.

Surprised by how sharp he looked and even more surprised that he managed to get the stoppage cos Urango is one tough fecker. The uppercut for the first KD was a thing of beauty.

So much depth at light welterweight at the moment, hopefully gonna provide us with some great fights over the next year or so.
 
Urango lept in and was made to look an ass with that kd, I used to think Ortiz would take Alexander but not so sure now.

Tim Bradley is still the man at 140, I don't want to hear anybody talking any smack saying I'm the best etc until they beat him! Did you see Crab Judah try pull a Mosley/Mayweather and crash his post fight interview?

Alexander brushed him lol it was quite shameful
 
Haha yeah, what a knobhead. Dunno why he thinks he even deserves a shot, he's not beaten a good opponent or done anything of note for about 5 years now.

Agree re Bradley, he's blatantly the one to beat at 140. If you go through the list of fighters in the division it's hard to picture any of them giving Bradley too much trouble. I think Khan might give him some difficulty, with him being tall and rangy, but I can't see him lasting 12 rounds with that chin of his. Plenty of entertaining fights to be made tho... Valero has been making some noises about moving up as well, which would be a nice addition.
 
If the fight sucks as a spectacle, don't be put off. Ruiz is a boring, spoiling turd who will try and turn the fight into a hugfest. Haye is usually in exciting fights, but Ruiz is tough for anyone to look good against.

Hopefully Haye Tuas him.
 
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