The RedCafe Boxing Thread

reddevilcanada said:
not much of a threat no, Hatton is just not on that level to begin with. Those who seriously thought he could beat Mayweather were as deluded as the city fans thinking they could finish top 4.
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Pacquiaos battered all his opponents the last ten matches, no matter their style, he will do the same to Mayweather, he will get hit, bleed, it may go to a decision but Pacquiao will win.
 
Pacquiao fought good fighters, he didnt fight greats like Mayweather. It'll be a different fight no matter how you look at it, he'll be more frustrated than his other fights.
 
Ekeke said:
Pacquiao fought good fighters, he didnt fight greats like Mayweather. It'll be a different fight no matter how you look at it, he'll be more frustrated than his other fights.
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Hang on, Cotto just took him 12 rounds, that shows he can go the distance, keep his nerve etc, Pacquiao has fought the modern best, Mayweather HAS to fight Pacquiao to retain his bragging rights
 
Scoreboard Red said:
Hang on, Cotto just took him 12 rounds, that shows he can go the distance, keep his nerve etc, Pacquiao has fought the modern best, Mayweather HAS to fight Pacquiao to retain his bragging rights
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Keep his nerve against a very good fighter who he didnt find it difficult to face.

Mayweather is one of the best there ever was and his defence is fantastic, he should stand up much better to Pacquiao's onslaught.
 
What an amazing performance by Manny. Different class
 
Cotto wasn't disciplined enough after the first few rounds. He did hurt Pac though, just didn't have the discipline to stick to his plan. Brilliant display from Manny. It has to be said.

Mayweather has to be next. You can't compare how long it has taken him to dispatch the same opponents by way of deciding the outcome of Pac v May though. Each fight is faught on its own merits, and both Mayweather and Pacquiao have different styles of dealing with people. Mayweather has looked comfortable in every fight. They may have gone to decision, but they have never been in doubt. Much in the same way the fight last night should have gone to a decision really.

I would go with Mayweather on points. Epic fight though.
 
Ekeke said:
Pacquiao fought good fighters, he didnt fight greats like Mayweather. It'll be a different fight no matter how you look at it, he'll be more frustrated than his other fights.
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Barrera? Morales? Great fighters.

How many great fighters has Mayweather fought?
 
Brad said:
I think the nationality of one of the participants in that fight had a little to do with it
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Well that's a given, still thought it would rival it given the magnitude of the fight.

Just watched the replay, couldn't stay awake to watch it live.

Impressive stuff from Manny, it was clear he was going to out box Cotto, but unsure he had the power to match him, however he was actually the stronger fighter.
Very premature end to the fight though, cant see why the stoppage came when he was taking much more of a beating in the 7th 8th and 9th, Cotto in fact had come back into it in the last 2 rounds, he should have been allowed to go on longer.

After that fight though, Cotto perhaps should consider retiring, he doesn't look like what he once was, he looks on the decline, add this fight to the controversial beating he took from Margarito, it doesn't look good. However I wouldn't be surprised if Mayweather took upon this opportunity to fight him now.

As for Manny he has 3 options, Mayweather, Mosley/Berto (unification) or making the move up to light middleweight and fighting for a title (I suspect he'll end up to doing this with it being his last fight before he retries).

Ekeke said:
Pacquiao fought good fighters, he didnt fight greats like Mayweather. It'll be a different fight no matter how you look at it, he'll be more frustrated than his other fights.
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What are you talking about, Pacquiao can retire now and go down as a true great, Maywether's legendary credentials are under question.
 
Wow, what a fight!

Pacquiao is just stupidly good. A couple of years ago most people would've laughed at the prospect of him getting in the ring the likes of De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto, let alone completely dominating them him the way he has.

fecking class act. The way he moves through the weight categories and retains the same speed and power is incredble.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Barrera? Morales? Great fighters.

How many great fighters has Mayweather fought?
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Barrera on the slide. Kahn just beat him too. I dont think that makes him great, do you?

How many greats has Mayweather fought? Not enough. But then nobody said this about him mauling Pacquiao :

Scoreboard Red said:
Pacquiaos battered all his opponents the last ten matches, no matter their style, he will do the same to Mayweather, he will get hit, bleed, it may go to a decision but Pacquiao will win.
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Pacquiao may well win, but it will be a close fight and Mayweather will not get battered. He's likely to hold up better against him than anyone else he's fought recently and yes, this would be a different test for Pacqiao in terms of how to deal with him. I'm not betting against him but it will not be as easy as Scoreboard's passage would suggest.
 
Ekeke said:
Barrera on the slide. Kahn just beat him too. I dont think that makes him great, do you?

How many greats has Mayweather fought? Not enough. But then nobody said this about him mauling Pacquiao :



Pacquiao may well win, but it will be a close fight and Mayweather will not get battered. He's likely to hold up better against him than anyone else he's fought recently and yes, this would be a different test for Pacqiao in terms of how to deal with him. I'm not betting against him but it will not be as easy as Scoreboard's passage would suggest.
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On the slide? he beat him in 2003 (his peak) and in 2006 not circa 2009. Both he and Morales are true greats of the ring. Looks like you're talking out of arse in this forum as well. . I ask again, how many great fighters has Mayweather beaten? I've given you a couple of truly great fighters that have been beaten(during their pomp) by a person who apparently hasn't fought great fighters. . .

well done, ekekekeke.
 
Spoony's right. Barrera was very much at the peak of his powers when Pacquiao fought him, hence why it is so widely regarded as one of his greatest wins.
 
Mayweather keeps ducking fights. He's always avoided Cotto, Mosely and their ilk. I doubt we'll see him in the ring with Manny. He's clearly only in it for the money - he's a smart businessman. Shame really, it'd be one of the greatest match ups in the history of the sport. I'd rather them get in on now, than a few years down the line.
 
Spooney, Mayweather would take Cotto to school. His style is perfect for fighters like Cotto and Pacquiao. He wouldn't stand and trade with them. Cotto is now more vulnerable than ever. Mosley is facing Berto, so the only possible thing left to do is begin negotiations for Pacquiao/Mayweather. It's not the kind of opportunity that people like Bob Arum would miss.

Sorry, but i can't see Pacquiao beating Mayweather, either at catchweight or full welterweight. Floyd is going to be his frustrating self again, dancing around the flurries, utilizing the full length of the ring, and just potshotting him. If pacquiao gets reckless he could receive some punishment upstairs as well.
 
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Spooney, Mayweather would take Cotto to school. His style is perfect for fighters like Cotto and Pacquiao. He wouldn't stand and trade with them. Cotto is now more vulnerable than ever. Mosley is facing Berto, so the only possible thing left to do is begin negotiations for Pacquiao/Mayweather. It's not the kind of opportunity that people like Bob Arum would miss.

Sorry, but i can't see Pacquiao beating Mayweather, either at catchweight or full welterweight. Floyd is going to be his frustrating self again, dancing around the flurries, utilizing the full length of the ring, and just potshotting him. If pacquiao gets reckless he could receive some punishment upstairs as well.
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Cotto's a counter attacking fighter and Pacquiao wiped the floor with him. . . he took everything that Cotto handed out, so I see no reason why he wouldn't soak up Mayweather's punches. I reckon a few years ago Manny perhaps would've been outboxed by Mayweather but he's become such a fantastic all round boxer over time, that an outcome wouldn't be easy to predict. If anything I'm leaning towards Pacquaio - I don't think Mayweather's been anywhere near the class of the Filipino. But heh, I hope we'll find out sooner than later.
 
What I want to know is why no one has the bottle to take on Sugar Shane Mosely?

Everyone in the division seems to avoid him
 
Because he is dangerous, but if Mayweather doesnt want anything to do with a Pacquiao fight then he should look up Shane if he wants to further cement his legacy.

After last nights win who would want anything to do with Pacquiao, doesnt matter who he fights because he carrys the speed and power at any weight AND on top of that Freddie Roach and his team get the guys tactics spot on everytime which he then executes to the tee. Almost unbeatable in his current state.
 
it is going to be a great fight but I think mayweather is going to win, he is a bigger guy but is also very quick himself with a fantastic defence I think he is the man with all the tools to beat pac man

should be intresting to see Hatton and Marquez fight since I love the guy I'm gonna have to back a Ricky victory.
 
I'd lean towards Mayweather beating Pacquiao. Would still have some faith in Manny finding a solution to him though, and would love to see him coming out on top. Would be a fascinating fight.
 
Pacquiao vs Mayweather is cum enducing stuff from a boxing fan's point of view. I don't think I've ever wanted to watch a fight more. I really wouldn't be able to pick a winner.
 
Apparently Mayweather wants a 65-35 cut, which is never going to happen.

Manny should turn his back on him, he doesn't need Mayweather to cement his legacy but Mayweather needs Manny, plus more importantly to him he needs the money. They should do a 40-40 split with the winner getting the remaining 20%.
 
Mayweather will make it happen, he knows he has to. It should be a brilliant fight of defense and counter punching, I geniunely couldnt pick a winner.
 
Mayweather-Pacquiao is an incredible prospect of a fight, as these two are two brilliant fighters. They need to make this fight happen, the winner will surely go down as an alltime great, ranking up there with the likes of Ali and Marciano, which is why they'll both want to fight.


On another note, seems like Hatton is going to fight again, which is disappointing, I hoped he'd call it a day after the two defeats
 
Such a hard one to call. I'd love to think Pacman would knock Mayweather out but i just dont know. Maybe Floyd would be just too "money" for Manny.

As for Marquez/Hatton. Pointless fight, i think Marquez would hammer him. If Floyd couldnt put him to bed being much bigger and stronger then how will Hatton do? Marquez is a great fighter and i dont think hatton can hurt him and i think the Mexican would win it.
 


all this manny vs money made me remember this cli i saw recently...

one of the best compilation vids ive seen... and it also serves as a reminder as to who the best boxer i remember seeing is...
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Such a hard one to call. I'd love to think Pacman would knock Mayweather out but i just dont know. Maybe Floyd would be just too "money" for Manny.

As for Marquez/Hatton. Pointless fight, i think Marquez would hammer him. If Floyd couldnt put him to bed being much bigger and stronger then how will Hatton do? Marquez is a great fighter and i dont think hatton can hurt him and i think the Mexican would win it.
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To be fair I think it looked like mayweather was in second gear all the way through that fight and was just happy to get rounds and ring time under his belt after a bit of time away from boxing & always felt he could have took him out at anytime.
 
EZee thanks for that, if I could see one boxer back in his prime again that I had the pleasure of watching, it was Roy Jones Jr.

God what a talent he was.
 
Just finished watching Ward vs. Kessler.

Can't believe how easy Ward made it seem. I didn't really think he had much of a chance against Kessler but he's ended up making him look average (albeit with a bit of help from the ref).

I've only ever seen Ward fight twice but he looks like a proper talent.
 
TYSON FURY has told David Haye: Fight me and I'll give you the worst time of your life!

Fury is currently preparing for his 10th professional fight against Yavor Marinchev on Saturday night.

But the unbeaten heavyweight is already looking to the future — and clearly fancies his chances against newly-crowned WBA champ Haye.

Speaking to boxingscene.com, Fury said: "I don't think Haye could beat me, never mind a proper champion.

"I think I would give Haye the worst time of his life. If I got in the ring with him he wouldn't have his own way.

"I don't think Haye could hurt me, but I think I can hurt him. He would have to get past my jab and uppercuts.

"If I caught him it would all be over as his chin is a bit dodgy.

"Haye is a small heavyweight. Yes, he is quick, but I'm quick too.

"I can match him for speed and power, the only thing he can't match me with is a chin and that's the main thing in boxing.

"Haye also can't match me for heart. Once Haye gets stick he is looking for a back door out of it and when Haye is in the trenches he won't last."

Fury, 21, was not impressed by Haye's victory over Nikolai Valuev earlier this month.

And he believes the fact the Londoner had to rely on a majority decision instead of a knockout backs up his claims.

Fury added: "There is nothing out there, did you see the Haye-Valuev fight?

"I have seen more action in my local chippy on a Saturday night. It was absolutely rubbish.

"I know Haye had a job to do to win but even when he had Valuev hurt he didn't try and finish him.

"Haye must be the weakest heavyweight world champion ever."
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This guy is setting himself up to a massive twat, what was it 4 fights before he claimed to be as good as Goerge Foreman. Lost to John McDermott (ok he officially won but nobody with a brain had him win that fight) and generally comes up with complete toss in the act of self promotion I assume, but he did say it himself there is nothing out there in the heavyweight division and he firmly falls into that category.
 
Virtually everyone in boxing uses someone else to make a name for themself.

Seems there's been talks between the respective teams behind Pacquiao and Mayweather
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
And boring as feck to watch.
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Oh humbug

EdWeatherall said:
Seems there's been talks between the respective teams behind Pacquiao and Mayweather
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Golden Boy wants Vegas to shutdown and go all out for this fight... Jerry Jones apparently sparked interest in letting this fight happen at Cowboys Stadium... This needs more than a MGM Grand or such, this fight needs something epic, if it ever happens.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Cotto's a counter attacking fighter and Pacquiao wiped the floor with him. . . he took everything that Cotto handed out, so I see no reason why he wouldn't soak up Mayweather's punches. I reckon a few years ago Manny perhaps would've been outboxed by Mayweather but he's become such a fantastic all round boxer over time, that an outcome wouldn't be easy to predict. If anything I'm leaning towards Pacquaio - I don't think Mayweather's been anywhere near the class of the Filipino. But heh, I hope we'll find out sooner than later.
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Cotto isn't a counter puncher. He is a puncher boxer that tends to impose himself on you rather than let you throw and catch you.

I think Floyd could outbox Pacquiao but I have given up betting against that man.

(I have only just gotten over Cotto's defeat)
 
Look at the Marquez fights to see how Pacquiao deals with counter punchers. The second one was only last year, so I don't think his style will have evolved a massive amount in that time.

Marquez was able to frustrate him and make him lose his rhythm, and I don't see why Mayweather won't be able to do the same... especially with a more impressive skill set and longer reach.

I hope Manny wins cos he's far and away my favourite fighter right now, but even after his last 3 wins I think this might be a step too far.
 
That was at Marquez weight, Mayweather was too big for Juan basically. And Marquez is a great fighter, at his natural weight he was a match for Manny which tells you all you need to know about the guys skills. Pacman has moved up the weights really well but Marquez found himself not fast enough due to the added wieght to land enough shots on Mayweather but Pacman has the speed to trouble him.
 
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