The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Mciahel Goodman said:
Quigg vs Frampton is a fight I want to see. Could do Joshua vs Fury, Brook vs Khan -- I'm living in a complete fantasy world here, as there's little chance any of these fights will happen at all, but that would be one hell of a stacked card. Three main events basically.
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Add Groves/De Gale to it
 
The news about Floyd comes out three days before his 49th fight that has yet to cause any buzz, hmmm...
 
Some worthwhile reading on this IV Floyd news. From Thomas Hauser, many will know his work already, if you don't however he's a widely respected boxing writer and observer and a qualified lawyer. Apologies, it's a long read. A very long read in fact.

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada

A small quote of the essential facts:
How was Mayweather’s IV handled by USADA?

As previously noted, the weigh-in and IV administration occurred on May 1. The fight was on May 2. For 20 days after the IV was administered, USADA chose not to notify the Nevada State Athletic Commission about the procedure.

Finally, on May 21, USADA sent a letter to Francisco Aguilar and Bob Bennett (respectively, the chairman and executive director of the NSAC) with a copy to Top Rank (Pacquiao’s promoter) informing them that a retroactive therapeutic use exemption had been granted to Mayweather. The letter did not say when the request for the retroactive TUE was made by Mayweather or when it was granted by USADA.

Subsequent correspondence in response to requests by the NSAC and Top Rank for further information revealed that the TUE was not applied for until May 19 and was granted on May 20.

In other words, 18 days after the fight, USADA gave Mayweather a retroactive therapeutic use exemption for a procedure that is on the WADA “Prohibited Substances and Methods List.” And because of a loophole in its drug-testing contract, USADA wasn’t obligated to notify the Nevada State Athletic Commission or Pacquiao camp regarding Mayweather’s IV until after the retroactive TUE was granted.

Meanwhile, on May 2 (fight night), Pacquiao’s request to be injected with Toradol (a legal substance) to ease the pain caused by a torn rotator cuff was denied by the Nevada State Athletic Commission because the request was not made in a timely manner.

A conclusion that one might draw from these events is that it helps to have friends at USADA.

“It’s bizarre,” Don Catlin says with regard to the retroactive therapeutic use exemption that USADA granted to Mayweather. “It’s very troubling to me. USADA has yet to explain to my satisfaction why Mayweather needed an IV infusion. There might be a valid explanation, but I don’t know what it is.”

“I don’t get it,” Conte says. “There are strict criteria for the granting of a TUE. You don’t hand them out like Halloween candy. And this sort of IV use is clearly against the rules. Also, from a medical point of view, if they’re administering what they said they did, it doesn’t make sense to me. There are more effective ways to rehydrate. If you drank ice-cold Celtic seawater, you’d have far greater benefits. It’s very suspicious to me. I can tell you that IV drugs clear an athlete’s system more quickly than drugs that are administered by subcutaneous injection. So why did USADA make this decision? Why did they grant something that’s prohibited? In my view, that’s something federal law enforcement officials should be asking Travis Tygart.”

Bob Bennett (who worked for the FBI before assuming his present position as executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission) has this to say: “The TUE for Mayweather’s IV - and the IV was administered at Floyd’s house, not in a medical facility, and wasn’t brought to our attention at the time - was totally unacceptable. I’ve made it clear to Travis Tygart that this should not happen again. We have the sole authority to grant any and all TUEs in the state of Nevada. USADA is a drug-testing agency. USADA should not be granting waivers and exemptions. Not in this state. We are less than pleased that USADA acted the way it did.”
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In summary: Floyd had 18 days after the fight to mask readings from having USADA (drug testers) in his pocket basically.
 
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Not a fan of AJ, but I hope he does well as a boxer.
 
I have to say it's hard not to get disillusioned with a sport as obviously corrupt as boxing. Pacquiao wasn't allowed a (legal) pain killing injection for his torn rotator cuff and Mayweather was allowed to take a known masking agent? Even if it isn't ruled a NC officially, anyone who follows boxing will consider it as such.
 
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Live weigh-in.

Berto 145, Mayweather 146.
 
In other news: Khan-Provodnikov rumours take a hit after Shane Mosley announces that he has been offered to fight Amir Khan in Dubai on December 13th.

Still stand by everything I've said re; Khan's past fights (even at WW alone) have been significantly tougher than Brook's but if this Mosley fight is confirmed then quite simply, this is a poor matchup and shame on Khan. Mosley has long been insignificant to this division and is a man in danger of causing himself longer term health issues. He's desperate for the money and pay days and I fear for his long term well being here.

Could be the clearest indication of Khan chosing a gimme opponent and an aged name for the CV in a tickover contest he should win comfotably ahead of Brook next year though.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Anyone that staunchly believes Floyd is a clean athlete is naive IMO.
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I think many are waking up to the fact 99.9% of them are all bending the "truth" to some extent. It's just a case of who bends which part and how significantly. :(
 
FC Ronaldo said:
I think many are waking up to the fact 99.9% of them are all bending the "truth" to some extent. It's just a case of who bends which part and how significantly. :(
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Doping in boxing is really easy to get away with with just the basics of sophistication. We know that a lot of the major American fighters of the 90s were dopers because they tested positive or were exposed.

The modern testing regimen is pathetic, when Golden Boy brought improved testing a number of boxers tested positive.

The purely capitalist naure of the sport means that it is a breeding ground for corruption. Las Vegas will do anything to protect its greatest sporting asset in Floyd. He makes a lot of people rich in the state, that is the bottom line.

In boxing, due to the neoliberal capitalist sporting structure, you see boxers struggling financially until they break through the glass ceiling to the 5% that make all the money in the sport, one loss can relegate you forever from that zenith. All this means the impetus to dope and get ahead is even more pronounced than in other sports.
 
Highlights from the PBC show last night featuring Stevenson-Karpency, Errol Spence Jr and Prichard Colon.

 
FC Ronaldo said:
I think many are waking up to the fact 99.9% of them are all bending the "truth" to some extent. It's just a case of who bends which part and how significantly. :(
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Agreed, same with similar sports like MMA. I recon with the top drawers (i.e. Mayweather, Pac etc) they probasbly just turn a blind eye to it, to much money to lose. Boxing has always been corrupt, not just with drugs etc

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Highlights from the PBC show last night featuring Stevenson-Karpency, Errol Spence Jr and Prichard Colon.

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Spence is definitely going to be hyped up on America as the next big thing, can't blame them really. he does look good. IF Mayweather actually retires then I'd imagine it will be a natural progression to Spence.
 
evra said:
Ah yes, not properly awake when I posted that at 02:45! I wonder if there's an argument for ruling the Pacquiao fight a NC.
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Hyping up a rematch I'd suggest? Nice bit of controversy. Pac and Arum will go on about it and Mayweather will come back for 50-0 (or 49-1)
 
FC Ronaldo said:
Some worthwhile reading on this IV Floyd news. From Thomas Hauser, many will know his work already, if you don't however he's a widely respected boxing writer and observer and a qualified lawyer. Apologies, it's a long read. A very long read in fact.

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada

A small quote of the essential facts:


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In summary: Floyd had 18 days after the fight to mask readings from having USADA (drug testers) in his pocket basically.
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Excellent read. Sounds very dodgy the way USADA have acted.

I'm sure Arum & Manny will push hard for a rematch, but I'm personally not keen on it. As much as I find him to be an annoying cnut, would rather see Khan fight one of Floyd/Manny.
 
Hearns must be pissing himself, its a farce all these so called big fights.
 
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