The RedCafe Boxing Thread

evra said:
Agree, Chavez is only vaguely relevant because he got a robbery draw against Bradley. The odds will probably be 1/8.
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What's funny is that I saw Sky talking up the fight before by explaining how Chaves must be good cos he drew with Bradley....then explaining Bradley must be good cos he beat Pacquio despite both decisions being ridiculous :D

I've read on a few sites this will be on Sky PPV as an "undercard" (albeit a different event) to Fury vs. Klitchsko. Whilst I'm sure that will sell a lot of numbers for Sky it'd be nice if Brook fought someone relevant or of any ability close to his.
 
Chaves is actually a decent boxer but the casual British boxing fan doesn't know that. Was beating Brandon before he got DQ'd, and was competitive against Bradley. Anyway, I think his style will make Brook look very good, although he could make it awkward for Brook in the early goings.
 
Chaves isn't awful but he was rightly disqualified v Rios and if he was vaguely competitive against Bradley it was due to headbutting that should have got him disqualified. The awful judging in this sport disenchants me sometimes, just this weekend one cretin called the Leo Santa Cruz fight 114-114! I have no idea what fight he was watching.
 
Khan should win that. Hopefully if he & Brook get through their autumn matches we'll get the pair together for a fight in 2016.
 
Kazi said:
Chaves is actually a decent boxer but the casual British boxing fan doesn't know that. Was beating Brandon before he got DQ'd, and was competitive against Bradley. Anyway, I think his style will make Brook look very good, although he could make it awkward for Brook in the early goings.
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Not just because they're "casual British boxing fans" he's just not that brilliant. Boxing fans in general take the piss of someone like Khan for calling out Mayweather and yet Brook does the exact same thing only to Khan. In the meantime he's a world champion fighting pretty average fighters. He's not going to fight Mayweather or Khan as they're clearly not interested but you're telling me in 3 title defences there's no one better than JoJo Dan, Frankie Gavin and Chaves? To me it seems Brook (or Hearn) are just milking Brook for all he's worth before risking him against any half decent fighter. Bare in mind his best, and arguably only "really good", fighter he's fought is Porter and that was a close fight (I think Brook won for what it's worth but it was close.) There is a risk of him fighting top level fighters and losing, immediately after that any hype he has is gone. From reading around articles etc he's not a big name in America despite being a champion so really does need a big fight to make a name for himself. If this was a Mayweather or even someone like Wilder they'd be slated for fighting bums and average fighters, it should be no different for Brook. He won't make a name for himself beating up the Frankie Gavin's of the world.

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Be an entertaining fight that, would think Khan would win to be fair but it will be an enjoyable one to watch.
 
This thread is alive again. Never understood the summer break in this sport.

Khan - Prov will be a VERY interesting contest if that comes through.

His list of opponents continues to gain credibility even if the timing of the matching often favours Khan himself. Compared to Brook it's almost embarrassing, though Chaves is a step in the right direction for him.
 
Tommy said:
Khan should win that. Hopefully if he & Brook get through their autumn matches we'll get the pair together for a fight in 2016.
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The bet for that one is Khan on points, covered by Provo by KO. Those are the only two outcomes as it's literally impossible to knock Provo out and he gets hit so much it's difficult for him to ever win a fight on points. Khan will probably win but by god he will suffer for it!
 


Confirmed by Sky all on the same night with Brook and Fury, will probably do good numbers although I'd be hugely surprised if there's any shocks in the 2 main events. I expect the usual Hearn PR to tell us how close they will be.
 
PPV view hey - bet that was music to Klitschko and Fury's ears.
 
Oggmonster said:


Confirmed by Sky all on the same night with Brook and Fury, will probably do good numbers although I'd be hugely surprised if there's any shocks in the 2 main events. I expect the usual Hearn PR to tell us how close they will be.
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Both foregone conclusions, I'm just hoping that Tyson can talk himself into the fight and move the odds so that I can get 1/3 on Wlad.
 
evra said:
Both foregone conclusions, I'm just hoping that Tyson can talk himself into the fight and move the odds so that I can get 1/3 on Wlad.
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BetFred are at 2/7 on Wlad at the moment so you're not to far off. I'd imagine the odds will get better by next month when the fight draws closer.

FC Ronaldo said:
PPV view hey - bet that was music to Klitschko and Fury's ears.
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Yep, the fight is free to air in both US and Germany I think.
 
McDonnell going well on Sky Sports 2 if anyone is interested in the rematch with Kameda.
 
Commentary is so much better than we have to put up with.
It's a pleasure to listen to and adds to the action
 
Agreed. Right about now Jim Watt would be moaning about "arrrrrrhhhhhmmm punches".

PBC commentary team had J McD up 8-1 going into the 10th. A bit lopsided and too much in favour of J McD's aggressive approach for me but think there is, and should be a clear gap between the 2 fighters on the cards in J McD's favour so far.
 
Surely he's got this after that Kd / slip combo made that 10-8 in the final round. At least a 4 round margin coming if there's any justice...
 
evra said:
Except for the fact it was ridiculously jaundiced in Kameda's favour. I'm pleased the PBC is offering more boxing but the presentation is shoddy and biased in favour of one (Al Haymon) fighter.
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In fairness it's a no win situation for most though in fairness mate. Look at Sky whenever a British fighter fights any foreign fighter and it's hugely biased towards the British fighters. Biased commentary never hugely bothers me really, in their defence they are commentating live and in the heat of the moment. For example someone like Jim Watt would know Carl Froch so will probably be biased towards him as they have some kind of relationship, it's not ideal but it happens in all sports (watch any Champions League game involving an English team vs a foreign team and it happens.) Post fight whether it be the analysts or even the commentators on shows like Ringside after they offer a completely different opinion to what they said at the time of the fight.
 
The Tyson Fury interview that's being constantly replayed on SSN today is absolutely hilarious. :lol:

It makes you laugh and cringe in equal measure, it's like watching an episode of The Office.
 
Just imagine the scenes and the language if Tyson Fury actually wins it!

Ali had his "I shook up the world moment". Fury will probably go out in a blaze of expletives and trash.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
Anyone watching Zudah vs Herrera tomorrow?

@evra anything written for this weekend's bouts?
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No on both counts I'm afraid. Not much in the way of value out there in my opinion. I mean Mayweather to win a UD is 4/6 so that's very appealing but I have a horrible feeling the fight is going to be scripted as a KO win for Mayweather.
 
Oggmonster said:
Yep, good to see as adds a bit of interest to the card really. Should be a good fight. Its on BoxNation isn't it? Will prob watch on a steam as haven't got BoxNation.

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/new...pe-at-floyd-mayweather-over-andre-berto-fight

Brook slagging off Mayweather's opponents, hes the last person to criticise who other boxers fight I think at the moment!
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I have to assume that Mayweather did it to irritate the feck out of Froch who had an appearance at the MGM on his wish-list. But probably not. Yep, Boxnation.

Brook picking bums, basically to keep him ticking over until he lands a Khan megafight methinks.

evra said:
No on both counts I'm afraid. Not much in the way of value out there in my opinion. I mean Mayweather to win a UD is 4/6 so that's very appealing but I have a horrible feeling the fight is going to be scripted as a KO win for Mayweather.
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KO is possible, given the quality of the opponent. I know what you mean.
 
FC Ronaldo said:
Just imagine the scenes and the language if Tyson Fury actually wins it!

Ali had his "I shook up the world moment". Fury will probably go out in a blaze of expletives and trash.
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It would be crazy. Fury all of a sudden would be in the top three p4p lists :lol:
 
Eddie Hearn protecting his cash cow before the khan payday.
You can't really blame him, problem for him is I doubt Hearn could get the big fights if Khan were never to happen.
Who's going to go to England for a Sky ppv?
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
I have to assume that Mayweather did it to irritate the feck out of Froch who had an appearance at the MGM on his wish-list. But probably not. Yep, Boxnation.

Brook picking bums, basically to keep him ticking over until he lands a Khan megafight methinks.


KO is possible, given the quality of the opponent. I know what you mean.
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I don't think Khan will fight Brook until he takea a couple good fights. He'd have a point in fairness, Khan is putting miles on the clock fighting good level fighters and Brook is holding a belt hostage fighting bums. I'm no Khan fan but can't blame him really.
 
Oggmonster said:
I don't think Khan will fight Brook until he takea a couple good fights. He'd have a point in fairness, Khan is putting miles on the clock fighting good level fighters and Brook is holding a belt hostage fighting bums. I'm no Khan fan but can't blame him really.
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You see Bob Arum saying that Pacquiao is available to fight Khan? Not sure how serious he is. Brook also in contention.

I agree with you on Brook.
 
cyberman said:
Eddie Hearn protecting his cash cow before the khan payday.
You can't really blame him, problem for him is I doubt Hearn could get the big fights if Khan were never to happen.
Who's going to go to England for a Sky ppv?
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I don't know mate. England doesn't tend to get huge fights anymore but depending on a split of gate receipts etc you could potentially sell out Wembley for example and make a shed load of money.

Mciahel Goodman said:
You see Bob Arum saying that Pacquiao is available to fight Khan? Not sure how serious he is. Brook also in contention.

I agree with you on Brook.
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Yeah, I never really trust Arum though. It would be a very good fight though, both exciting fighters to watch.

I used to quite like Brook, since he won the title he's gone down hugely in my estimation though. His trash talk is painful to watch as well.
 
The Froch / Groves rematch was a dream. It caught the publics imagination and ensured a Wembley showpiece.
I must've heard Nelson et all claim 3/4 potential fights to be a contender at Wembley.
From Groves v Freaking De Gale to Joshua's first world title fight, everything was seen as a Wembley contender. The claims and expectations got a bit ridiculous at one stage.
I doubt the American suits would allow Carnelo ( if Brook moves up) etc agreeing to as having such a disadvantage. Never mind losing out on the ppv market in America and South America due to the time difference.
 
Does anyone know the round about fight times of all saturday's action. hoping to flow from the Utd game into the AJ/DW fights straight into the Groves fight.

feck Mayweather, be boring as usual.
 
cyberman said:
The Froch / Groves rematch was a dream. It caught the publics imagination and ensured a Wembley showpiece.
I must've heard Nelson et all claim 3/4 potential fights to be a contender at Wembley.
From Groves v Freaking De Gale to Joshua's first world title fight, everything was seen as a Wembley contender. The claims and expectations got a bit ridiculous at one stage.
I doubt the American suits would allow Carnelo ( if Brook moves up) etc agreeing to as having such a disadvantage. Never mind losing out on the ppv market in America and South America due to the time difference.
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It's perfectly doable to have an American fighter fight in England though. If the fight started at 11pm it's 3pm earliest in most of America so hardly a huge early start. If people had enough notice to watch (which they would) then they can make their plans around it. They could easily sell it as a one off event etc. It's no different to us watching 3pm kick offs in England for FA Cup finals etc (or even the Super Bowl in America.) I'm sure the likes of Canelo wouldn't be that bothered about fighting away from home for enough money.

The Wembley stuff is true though with what Nelson etc are saying, as much as it is ridiculous with enough hype and promotion most British boxers could sell out Wembley. Just go through this thread as an example, I was slating the Kell Brook vs Frankie Gavin fight being on box office then ended up buying it and it was a really good night of boxing! As much as Hearn can be a tit he can sell snow Eskimos. Someone like Joshua is hugely marketable in this country for example. I bet his first world title fight would get loads of interest.

Adcuth said:
Does anyone know the round about fight times of all saturday's action. hoping to flow from the Utd game into the AJ/DW fights straight into the Groves fight.

feck Mayweather, be boring as usual.
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You'll be struggling to flow right in from the United game mate as that will finish about half 7. Joshua is scheduled to be on at 10pm apparently so I'd aim for that, Groves won't be on til the early hours of the morning (2-3am ish I'd say.
 
Mayweather took WADA banned IV before Pacman fight, according to report.

"LAS VEGAS -- On the eve of his record-breaking megafight with Manny Pacquiao on May 2, pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather took an intravenous injection of saline and vitamins that was banned under World Anti-Doping Agency guidelines, according to a report by SB Nation on Wednesday.

Three weeks after the fight, Mayweather received an exemption from the United States Anti-Doping Agency, the report said. However, Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director Bob Bennett said USADA does not have authorization to grant an exemption. Bennett said only the commission, which was not notified of the exemption until after it was given, can give an athlete an exemption.

Although the substances contained in the IV were not banned by WADA, whose standards USADA says it follows, the fact that they were given intravenously was not allowed."
 
Tommy said:
Mayweather took WADA banned IV before Pacman fight, according to report.

"LAS VEGAS -- On the eve of his record-breaking megafight with Manny Pacquiao on May 2, pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather took an intravenous injection of saline and vitamins that was banned under World Anti-Doping Agency guidelines, according to a report by SB Nation on Wednesday.

Three weeks after the fight, Mayweather received an exemption from the United States Anti-Doping Agency, the report said. However, Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director Bob Bennett said USADA does not have authorization to grant an exemption. Bennett said only the commission, which was not notified of the exemption until after it was given, can give an athlete an exemption.

Although the substances contained in the IV were not banned by WADA, whose standards USADA says it follows, the fact that they were given intravenously was not allowed."
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Interesting to see the reaction from the Pacquiao camp.
 
Quigg vs Frampton is a fight I want to see. Could do Joshua vs Fury, Brook vs Khan -- I'm living in a complete fantasy world here, as there's little chance any of these fights will happen at all, but that would be one hell of a stacked card. Three main events basically.
 
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