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I know people love Froch and hate Groves but anyone trying to justify that decision needs their head testing. Froch has gone down in my estimation, his interview was terrible and Groves deserved the victory more than he did from everything we saw. Referee fecked it up for Froch too in that sense, give it a little longer and Froch might indeed have won, I'm not sure though.
 
Is it not about defence.
i.e. If you can't raise your arms to defend yourself or have "jelly" legs then the referee has to stop the fight. As long as you can still defend then you are ok to continue, that's how I remember it from my boxing days, it was many years ago mind.
 
DFreshKing said:
It's mad how people see things so different.

fecking eyeballs eh?
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It's hard when looking through tinted glasses sometimes. Some of the tints in Here though is mind boggling. I mean, I'm a Froch fan, and even I can see that was a complete disgrace. I want my £15 back!
 
MajorTom said:
It is just like a script. They will have a rematch now, Groves will win after the referee recovers from a steel chair to the back of the head that Froch has hit him with. Probably will finish win a pin move and the ref hitting the floor counting to three.
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The only positive is that the money men who've fixed this will bet on Groves for the rematch and justice will be done. The long way round. After conning millions out of their money
 
Summit said:
It's hard when looking through tinted glasses sometimes. Some of the tints in Here though is mind boggling. I mean, I'm a Froch fan, and even I can see that was a complete disgrace. I want my £15 back!
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I think he was gone, not sure why he wasn't given the count though.
 
Decotron said:
The most worrying thing is the scorecards. Looks like Groves was only ever gona win with a k/o
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Aye that's more worrying for me, the stoppage was poor but not outrageous. The scorecards are fecking unbelievable though.
 
Decotron said:
The most worrying thing is the scorecards. Looks like Groves was only ever gona win with a k/o
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That's what I was on about before and Proud_Lyon jumped in talking about how Watts was up Groves arse. :lol:
 
I'm more pissed off at the score cards. It goes back to what Dana White said... They're ruining the sport.
 
Didn't really have a favourite prior to the fight but have followed all Froch's latests fights but man what a robbery, complete robbery. Watching that was like Liverpool getting one of the their shocking decisions for them at Anfield. No telling he was going to be knocked down and should have give him the chance of a count, even if it was going to happen, after that performance by Groves. It was like the ref thought he was Manfedo Jr on the ropes to a 100 Calzaghe shots with no reply. It was 2 or 3 and he was still swinging back, it was a brawl. Shocking, ruined the fight.

Carl says about a rematch but "somewhere else", yeah we know what that means, Nottingham!! He's scared now, running proper scared. He would have lost tonight I reckon and was as close as he ever has been in most fights. The Dirrell one in Nottingham many reckoned he lost but this was no backfoot fight, he got spanked and pushed back just like Groves said in the build up.

Proud_Lyon said:
If Groves thinks he can KO Froch, he has another think coming. He is just another cockney bigmouth.
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He was never cocky or big mouth before the fight though. Just like De Gale he showed class, trolled Froch and made him angry. It was Carl who was name calling and saying he was knocking the glass jaw out.
StuCol said:
Groves is a future world champion
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Definitely based on that. Hell he should be champion now!
 
Summit said:
That's what I was on about before and Proud_Lyon jumped in talking about how Watts was up Groves arse. :lol:
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Yeh. 76-75 was bad

I had Froch winning 3 rounds personally, and Groves 5 (with one obviously 10-8)

It was an early decision, but not as terrible as people are making out is my view on it
 
Biggest point was that Froch was hurt a lot more in the first round than Groves was when it was stopped, Groves interview was spot on.

Perhaps foreign referees should be given these types of fight?
 
EdWeatherall said:
Yeh. 76-75 was bad

I had Froch winning 3 rounds personally, and Groves 5 (with one obviously 10-8)

It was an early decision, but not as terrible as people are making out is my view on it
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I gave Froch 2 rounds, one may have been a 10-10. Froch may well have gone on to finish him in the next couple of rounds, but the stoppage was a weird one.
 
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Botched DDT by the referee.
 
Setting him up for a suplex there.
 
In this day and age of technology there's no way there should still be judges interpretation involved in boxing.
 
Claymore said:
Didn't really have a favourite prior to the fight but have followed all Froch's latests fights but man what a robbery, complete robbery. Watching that was like Liverpool getting one of the their shocking decisions for them at Anfield. No telling he was going to be knocked down and should have give him the chance of a count, even if it was going to happen, after that performance by Groves. It was like the ref thought he was Manfedo Jr on the ropes to a 100 Calzaghe shots with no reply. It was 2 or 3 and he was still swinging back, it was a brawl. Shocking, ruined the fight.

Carl says about a rematch but "somewhere else", yeah we know what that means, Nottingham!! He's scared now, running proper scared. He would have lost tonight I reckon and was as close as he ever has been in most fights. The Dirrell one in Nottingham many reckoned he lost but this was no backfoot fight, he got spanked and pushed back just like Groves said in the build up.



He was never cocky or big mouth before the fight though. Just like De Gale he showed class, trolled Froch and made him angry. It was Carl who was name calling and saying he was knocking the glass jaw out.

Definitely based on that. Hell he should be champion now!
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Highly doubtful.

Froch get's better the longer the fight goes and most certainly did tonight. It's likely he either finishes the fight late or wins the rest of the rounds, which based on the scorecards would of seen him win.

The commentary ruined parts of the fight but feck me what a cracker. Didn't agree with the stoppage although the replays make it a bit more interesting, it's not as outrageous as people are making it but the wrong call IMO. This fight wasn't anywhere near the landslide that people are making it out to be though, people would have you believe Froch didn't land a punch and that it was the most one sided fight ever. Froch is a fecking warrior but fair dues to Groves too.

Both deserve respect for an awesome fight.
 
Absolutely shocking that, he must be related to Martin Atkinson. Don't even know much about Groves, didn't see the De Gale fight at the time, only later on. Just watched how well he dealt with all the build up as underdog, thinking he did well. Yet can't help but feel pissed at that call by the ref.
 
Aye you've got to give Froch huge credit. One of the toughest feckers we've ever produced in this country.
 
Sixpence said:
In this day and age of technology there's no way there should still be judges interpretation involved in boxing.
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There isn't really an alternative to having human involvement. You can't have a machine simply counting punches(bad judges do I guess), that's Amateur/Olympic boxing. Its a case of training judges better and making them more accountable to people other than the boxing board that appoints them.
 
^ JP77, yeah I know Froch gets better and can, like Taylor in the USA turn it around but he got a pasting tonight, even forgetting the knock down. I thought he was going to lose but yeah Groves did take some risks later on. Still, we'll never know thanks to that tool ref.

As for the comms people keep moaning about, its Jim Watt, he's always the same its not bias. Whoever is on the front foot or looking good at the time he builds up then it the other fighter does well he'll chop and change. He's awful.
 
I'm actually angry by that decision. He made it unfair on both these guys by stopping the fight... Decisions like this and the GSP fight on UFC are really putting me off boxing and mma. Its too subjective...
 
Sixpence said:
In this day and age of technology there's no way there should still be judges interpretation involved in boxing.
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You can't really have a robot determining if someone can defend themselves. Don't agree with the decision, although think Froch was going to knock him out. At the end of the day, the referee could have saved his life.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
I'm actually angry by that decision. He made it unfair on both these guys by stopping the fight... Decisions like this and the GSP fight on UFC are really putting me off boxing and mma. Its too subjective...
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Yeah same here mate. Top post there. Never watched 18 of Groves 20 fights (that I remember) and almost feel like a fan, it was that bad a call tonight. Wrecked a decent fight. It was Nani/Rafael esq v Madrid or Bayern. Ruined it.
 
Spiersey said:
You can't really have a robot determining if someone can defend themselves. Don't agree with the decision, although think Froch was going to knock him out. At the end of the day, the referee could have saved his life.
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Well you wouldn't, because that's the ref's job not the judges.
 
Spiersey said:
You can't really have a robot determining if someone can defend themselves. Don't agree with the decision, although think Froch was going to knock him out. At the end of the day, the referee could have saved his life.
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Should've just stopped it before he got into the ring then, that also 'might've saved his life'.
 
Wasn't a huge Groves fan before the fight as I always preferred DeGale. I still wanted him to win tonight and thought he could do it by basically doing what he did in rounds 1-7.

He had the skills to take the fight away from Froch but decided to trade and played into Froch's hands. It was inexperience that cost him, but I think he'll be even better if they did it again.
 
Wow on that second gif above not only is he swinging back but also he pushed Froch away just before the ref grabbed him. Gets more bullshit the more I see it. His head was not moving or being hit like those two shots he gave Carl in the first gif image. Ref should be punished like they do in the PL when they balls it up.
 
Just going by the gif, that stoppage was ridiculous.
 
To be fair that gif doesn't really show the full extent of the two shots he ate immediately before the stoppage, they were blasts.
 
That gif is an awful judge of the punches, Froch hit him with two or three excellent shots but you don't see that well in the gif
 
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