Tyson talking about who would win if he and Ali fought (from 4:09 onwards):
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Ha ha... brilliant.
Tyson is my idol. Top guy. Looking in good shape again too, if that video is recent.
Side note, anyone seen this Golovkin fella? Boxings best kept secret they're saying and boxing forums are buzzing about him, with a few saying he'd beat Mayweather.
Side note, anyone seen this Golovkin fella? Boxings best kept secret they're saying and boxing forums are buzzing about him, with a few saying he'd beat Mayweather.
So... Flintoff? 
His record is impressive but until he starts taking on some bigger named fighters I will reserve judgement for the moment.
If he gets a fight with Chavez or Martinez then we will see a bit more of what he able to do.
So... Flintoff?
He has a good personality and is a likeable person but this has to be a pisstake. If he really wants to get into the ring, I think they'll probably have him box Ricky Hatton.
Golovkin ain't beating Mayweather, too easy to hit.
Anyone watching the Bellew fight? Should be a good fight. Cant see it going the distance.
Very impressive win by Ward. Looks a really classy boxer, dominated from start to finish. If Mayweather-Manny isn't going to happen, I wouldn't mind seeing Ward fight either of them.
Wrong weight class, I don't see either bulking up enough to fight Ward and Ward can't go down to their weight anymore if he ever could.
Dunno if you're joking or being serious but he is WAY too big for both
Mayweather is undisputedly the best boxer in the world right now, previously I would say Manny second but he has been slipping of late so 2 is up for discussion and Martinez and Ward are both in with good shouts for that spot.
After them comes Donaire.
Ward is such a brilliant fighter, go back to the 8th round around the 43 second mark and watch his work. He lands spins out into a defensive position/stance so Dawson can't counter and then as Dawson walks in (throwing nothing as per the fight) he pops off a wonderful jab.
He sets traps that fighters walk into and thats in terms of individually and in terms of fight tactics. He beat and bruised Froch and Bika, bullied the bigger Allen Green, nullified Dawson and Abraham.
His fight IQ is crazy and you can see the cogs turning as a fight goes on and he takes over. He is like a younger fresher Bernard Hopkins. If he wasn't so God orientated I could see him becoming a real star but I find that his faith puts a lot of people off.
I just want to see a top quality fight and made the suggestion, didn't know Ward was that much bigger!
Dunno if you're joking or being serious but he is WAY too big for both
Mayweather is undisputedly the best boxer in the world right now, previously I would say Manny second but he has been slipping of late so 2 is up for discussion and Martinez and Ward are both in with good shouts for that spot.
After them comes Donaire.
Ward is such a brilliant fighter, go back to the 8th round around the 43 second mark and watch his work. He lands spins out into a defensive position/stance so Dawson can't counter and then as Dawson walks in (throwing nothing as per the fight) he pops off a wonderful jab.
He sets traps that fighters walk into and thats in terms of individually and in terms of fight tactics. He beat and bruised Froch and Bika, bullied the bigger Allen Green, nullified Dawson and Abraham.
His fight IQ is crazy and you can see the cogs turning as a fight goes on and he takes over. He is like a younger fresher Bernard Hopkins. If he wasn't so God orientated I could see him becoming a real star but I find that his faith puts a lot of people off.
Rigondeuax > Donaire IMHO
Rigondeaux has a better pedigree coming from Cuba with his amateur background but hasn't beaten anywhere near the opposition Donaire has and Nonito could very well add Nishioka to his resume in October too.
Was just at a BBQ and showing Donaire to my pal, he DESTROYS fighters look at what he did to Sidorenko, Montiel and even the inside/outside kayo of Vargas. Hard to pick against him even if Rigondeuax is across the ring from him
Was just at a BBQ and showing Donaire to my pal, he DESTROYS fighters look at what he did to Sidorenko, Montiel and even the inside/outside kayo of Vargas. Hard to pick against him even if Rigondeuax is across the ring from him
I disagree
Ward was my no.1 before this fight and obviously still is today. Mayweather hasn't taking on a real challenge in years. Whereas Ward only takes on real challenges at the moment, and fighters still struggle to win a round against him!
Pacman and Martinez are the two fights that would really enhance Mayweather's legacy but he has no interest in making either of those fights, those are not the movements of a P4P king in my book.
Donaire has slowed in his past few fights too. I am interested to see how Rigondeux progresses as the competition gets harder because he could be more talented than the lot.
His fighting style isn't very attractive to the general public either. Totally agree about his skill set though - when he can't get his work going, he knows how to steal every second of every round.
Perhaps but when you look at skillset it's impossible to look past Floyd and regardless of what anyone says Cotto was a real challenge and rightly gave him his toughest fight to date (yes tougher than Castillo 1).
NOBODY bar you at this current point in time has anyone but Floyd at #1, Pac was in with a shout but as previously said has allowed his standards to slip.
No real evidence that Floyd refuses to take on Pac and realistically Floyd who started as a super feather has no business being in the ring with a middleweight even if he can get down to 154 it isn't to his benefit.
Dunno if you can say Donaire has slowed down, destroyed Montiel at Bantam last year, dominated Vasquez and Mathebula. Moving up and fighting bigger men means the kayos aren't as forth coming but h's knocking them over and dominating. He can be guilty of taking his foot off the gas but only for short spells, largely he dominates.
Ward's style may not be eye catching it's true he mauls but when he fires off his shots as seen in the Dawson fight he can impress.
I wrote that the Dawson/Ward fight may not be that entertaining because their styles might not mesh, Ward made it entertaining.
I think Rigondeaux will impress he is supremely talented, at times he can be boring/overly cautious technical but that's because he is used to a system where you aren't to be hit at all, when he opens up he causes problems.
Funny how no one talks about Gamboa anymore, that is a man that can be a star despite his age.That Solis fight was one of the more entertaining I have seen in ages even if it was extremely one sided
Cotto looked good against Mayweather because PBF is past his best. Cotto hadn't done anything interesting for years. The two most significant fights that Cotto had had for 5 years before the PBF fight were brutal beatings.
Floyd has no business in the ring with Martinez? It is irrelevant at what weight he started at, peoples bodies develop in different ways at different times. Pac started out having to hide weights in his shorts just to make minimum weight, yet he ended up fighting guys like Margarito. If Floyd has 'business' in the ring with Oscar at 154, then he has 'business' in the ring with Martinez at 154. Great fighters take those chances just to enhance their legend - Mayweather is a constant disappointment in that area.
As for Donaire, now he has moved up and does not look a lot bigger than his opponents, he does not look as devastating. Looking at Rigondeux's amateur pedigree, his skill set and what I have read coming from inside his camp (that he oozes a rare desire, dedication and confidence) if the two were to meet, I would go out on a limb and put money on GR.
Floyd has no business in the ring with Martinez? It is irrelevant at what weight he started at, peoples bodies develop in different ways at different times. Pac started out having to hide weights in his shorts just to make minimum weight, yet he ended up fighting guys like Margarito. If Floyd has 'business' in the ring with Oscar at 154, then he has 'business' in the ring with Martinez at 154. Great fighters take those chances just to enhance their legend - Mayweather is a constant disappointment in that area.
As for Donaire, now he has moved up and does not look a lot bigger than his opponents, he does not look as devastating. Looking at Rigondeux's amateur pedigree, his skill set and what I have read coming from inside his camp (that he oozes a rare desire, dedication and confidence) if the two were to meet, I would go out on a limb and put money on GR.
Cotto is a superb fighter and he put on a display because of not because Floyd is past his best.
Cotto most significant fight prior to Floyd was Margarito who he beat
prior to that he was game for 4 rounds against Pac and then abandoned his jab and lost against a Margarito with loaded gloves.Pac fights at higher weights but comes in light and restricts opponents with silly weight clauses. Margarito having to weigh in at 150 etc, if Floyd was to say Martinez has to come in at 150 there would be uproar.
He came in at 150 against Oscar, he came in at 151 against Cotto, fighting at jr middle is a force he has nothing to prove so why do it?
I agree his legacy leaves a lot to be desired but it is extremely likely that all of these supposed boogey men that are drummed up as potential opponents he would beat.
I love Cotto but anyone that thinks a pre Margarito Cotto would have beaten Floyd is crazy. At a lower weight and less refined I think Floyd could have stopped him late. Margarito - ears boxed off even applying pressure Floyd could sit in the pocket and handle him. Pac - we all know he doesn't deal with good boxing Cotto did well against him whilst boxing, Marquez has out boxed him at least twice Floyd is the master boxer he beats Pac comfortably.
The only advantage Martinez has over Floyd is size, so people expect that being the bigger man + his punching power means he beats Floyd. He doesn't. Floyd won't sit around to get hit the way Williams, Pavlik, Dzinziruk etc did
I even hear people saying he should fight Chavez! This is a man that comes in to middle weight fights as a light heavy/cruiserweight.
Again, it makes no sense and he has no business being in the ring with these men.
But even against bigger opponents Donaire is doing damage, you see what he did to Mathebula's jaw/tooth? First man to drop Vasquez and really had little trouble with him. Had he not done his hand the way he did very possible a stoppage could have come.
Wouldn't be crazy to put money on Rigondeaux but I think for his explosiveness and athleticism coupled with his skills I would back Nonito
So Ricky Hatton has a major announcement Friday. I hope it's not a return but I'm sure it is.
he's making a come back.
This should be funny
This should be funny
Apparently he's in a better shape than he's ever been. It's going to be funny.
He looks good, not fat around the face and has been training whilst training his fighters, he'll be in good shape just a case of what does he have left after so long out
I like Paulie M. I hope that he gets the fight against Hatton, seems a logical one to make. Seeing Hatton back will be fun, at least.
His punch resistance looked to have gone before he quit. I'd hate to see him get hurt! He's notorious for not looking after himself too, so I'd wonder how far he let himself go before he decided to get fit again. I think it's a bad idea.
We have to remember that it was probably getting difficult for Ricky to make light welterweight when he fought Pacman, add to that the crazy power that an absolute prime Manny had, and it is easy to see how that spectacular KO came about.
Fighting Paulie M at welterweight is an entirely different proposition.
He was struggling to make weight, but that's because he let himself balloon between fights. Even Laczano wobbled him a couple of times in the fight prior to when he first boxed malignaggi.
Still, I get your point about him being stronger at a higher weight as Khan's chin certainly improved when he stepped up in weight class.
The only problem is that he struggled against Collazo and lost to Mayweather at welterweight (no shame in that though) and that was when he was fighting regularly.
I'm not sure the step up in weight will make much difference after such a long absence.
Well November 24th fight for Ricky Hatton, his good mate Freddie Flintofff said he was hoping to make his pro debut in november so looks like he will be on the undercard for a Ricky Hatton fight at the MEN
Freddie Flintoff? The cricket guy? He's going into boxing? What?
Wait, Freddie Flintoff is fighting as a heavyweight boxer?
What the feck?!
What the feck?!
Apparently Flintoff has no chin, my mate saw him at some charity event getting dropped in a fight - in full sparring gear.
As for Hatton: I think that the risk-reward raitio is very much in his favour for this comeback. He isn't going to stage an assault on the welterweight division or make fights with the likes of Maidana or Matthysse. He will probably have a three fight run, starting with the feather fisted Malignaggi; who currently holds a version of the world title. And with the amount of money that Ricky brings to the table, he will be able to pick from almost any fighter he wants. If Hatton plays it right, he can earn millions without having to put himself into any real wars.
As for Hatton: I think that the risk-reward raitio is very much in his favour for this comeback. He isn't going to stage an assault on the welterweight division or make fights with the likes of Maidana or Matthysse. He will probably have a three fight run, starting with the feather fisted Malignaggi; who currently holds a version of the world title. And with the amount of money that Ricky brings to the table, he will be able to pick from almost any fighter he wants. If Hatton plays it right, he can earn millions without having to put himself into any real wars.
I think people were too quick to write Hatton off. He was a good fighter who was only outclassed by the best. If he wants to fight on then good for him. I think Hatton V Khan would be a good fight.
I'm still baffled by the Flintoff thing. It sounds like a publicity stunt for a TV show and nothing more. If he turns out to be any good, then get him in there with Audley.
I'm still baffled by the Flintoff thing. It sounds like a publicity stunt for a TV show and nothing more. If he turns out to be any good, then get him in there with Audley.
Even though I don't think he should have come back I'm looking forward to watching him fight again. He'll probably just end up being someone the young fighters use to get a bit of publicity though which is sad.
EDIT: Would be a good scalp for the likes of Kell Brook.
EDIT: Would be a good scalp for the likes of Kell Brook.
I'd love to see Kell Brook beat Hatton. I'll probably go to his next fight, but gutted I can't make his fight with Saldivia.
Is that who he's fighting next? I heard he was fighting in Oct but haven't seen anything about who.
Yeah October 20th. IBF Final Eliminator I think. Looking forward to it!
Disagree with your opinion on Hatton, I think he is finished, but yeahh agree him vs Khan would be a great fight.
Brooke would be good too but Khan would be way more entertaining, plus Ricky was always better at light welterweight and can't see Kell coming down.
Kahn - Hatton: it would be a good fight to watch and some big money would be earnt; it might not be a good one for Hatton's long term health though, if Khan can control himself, he can stay on the outside and rattle Ricky's brain around for 12 rounds.
Agreed.
But that is what would be entertaining, Ricky would have to press and come forward. Also, we know that even though Khan should be doing exactly what you said, too often he loses his game plan and gets dragged into a war, which would give Hatton a chance - assuming he is not completely depleted as a fighter.
Also, you are right it would certainly make money and would have interest from America as well, whereas Brooke probably wouldnt. I can see Khans management team thinking it would be a good idea, it's a very big fight in terms of it's appeal, purse etc, but would be a relatively easy one.
Again, that is just what I think based on how much Hatton let himself go, I think it would be easy, but we will never know until he gets in the ring.
as much as I would like to see Hatton knock out Khan I'm really not sure sure what kind of fighter Ricky will be when he comes back would be a risky fight now even though Khan would not have lived with Hatton in his prime.