feck me, that chin.
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This is only going one way unless khan lands one on Garcia.
He's lost it.
He's called it, Kahns lost.
Khan has no right even discussing Mayweather now
Bet Khan will moan about the stoppage, but the guy was well beaten and his chin is suspect.
Well that's the Mayweather fight down the tubes then.
Khan looked assured for the first two rounds and then WHAM! Would have been a KO for some other fighters though.
Khan looked assured for the first two rounds and then WHAM! Would have been a KO for some other fighters though.
What the feck was Kahn doing? He survived the round, cleared a bit then invited him on even baiting him. Schoolboy stuff. Kahn should have used his boxing skills not try prove he can be a fighter. Shame as he was doing well until then.
He has heart, will give him that, but it aint enough at this level sadly.
On a side note, after reading the Sun today, really hope Hatton isn't planning a comeback.
On a side note, after reading the Sun today, really hope Hatton isn't planning a comeback.
Kahn cut him early as well. What a way to piss it away. You'd think he'd have learnt from Prescott too.
He tries far too hard to prove that he has a chin and he can take a shot. It's stupidity.
Embarrassing for Khan.
Started well then got hammered and boxed like an amateur swinging wild punches instead of protecting himself.
Career is in tatters now
Started well then got hammered and boxed like an amateur swinging wild punches instead of protecting himself.
Career is in tatters now
First time seeing Khan... wasn't he meant to be good?
This interview is a bit sickly. The guy may fellate him within 10...9...8...
Well that was good while it lasted.
Khan was stupid when he took the shot. He survived into the 4th round, and you could tell he was still fcked. He needed to recover those next few rounds and regroup. Instead he invited the punches and tried to trade. Poor decision and boxing.
Madness.
He deserved what he got, it was absolute stupidity to go out throwing wild punches when he was flapping all over the place.
And to think, people thought he was on verge of elite.....ROFL at the thought of him fighting anyone elite, forget fighting a potential GOAT in Floyd....which he can anyway now, I mean it's not like he's Hatton and Floyd can milk money out of an easy gimme fight.
Exactly. He probably wasnt right in the head at the time and his corner instructions probably went over him after the third round, but still, a top boxer would not go out trading in that position.
Ok easy for me to say, but ive seen fighters/boxers in the past who try and recover in that situation.
Khans career is pretty much over at the top.
Ok easy for me to say, but ive seen fighters/boxers in the past who try and recover in that situation.
Khans career is pretty much over at the top.
Solid idea Jonny, move up to welterwight, rebuild image by beating more scrubs......get KO'd by Ortiz or something.
You what? Kahn has held loads of belts, had big fights to big crowds in England and USA, been fighting abroad at Vegas etc loads... so what is he, a bum? No one was saying he's the greatest of all time but at 25 he's had a pretty decent career. Better than most people dream of, especially us warriors on the caf.
How many times have we heard that though? Can't see Kahn retiring at 25 and just fading away from world known star fighter to nothing or even just figher British/Euro title fights in small England venues. But he could retire, if he wanted, plenty in the bank.
You have to laugh at the 'superstar'Khan really is a bit of a bum, he has prepared for his last 2 bouts by talking about fighting Mayweather, he will never get anywhere near sharing a ring with him.
Khan really is a bit of a bum, he has prepared for his last 2 bouts by talking about fighting Mayweather, he will never get anywhere near sharing a ring with him.
Have to agree with the bit of your Mayweather post. Why was Kahn talking about what he's going to do in another division when he was on the eve of this fight. Silly stuff. Remember thinking it at the time I was reading/hearing it. The old football like cliche of one game at a time sprang to mind. Now he looks a plank for that part.
I still think he'll come back, he's too talented at boxing not to. Needs to learn not to go to war though. Like Mayweather says, its all about not getting hit.
CLK whats your take on this?
I think Khan let the situation get to his head, as it did with Breidis Prescott and as well as being distracted about the Mayweather fight. The kid is good, fast and needs to learn that not everyone has got a chin, therefore "dont get hit".
Dont go toe to toe when thats your weakness.
I think Khan let the situation get to his head, as it did with Breidis Prescott and as well as being distracted about the Mayweather fight. The kid is good, fast and needs to learn that not everyone has got a chin, therefore "dont get hit".
Dont go toe to toe when thats your weakness.
What i would like to see his both boxers showing respect before the match , instead of going through that pantomime leading up to the fight, to sell tickets.
It really isn't. He's actually got a good chin. The problem is his guard. He takes so many shots on the chin and even when he was dominating Garcia for the first 2 rounds he took loads of counter right hooks to the chin and head.
Once he went down it was all over though. You could see he never actually recovered from it.
I guess this is the beginning of the end for Khan. I don't know how he is going to come back from this and be seen as an elite fighter. He is definately not getting the Mayweather fight anytime soon if ever. A shame because knocking out Mayweather is probably the only way he can redeem himself.
Very impressed by Garcia. Don't know much about him and his hype has been next to zero for much of his career, but man can this guy punch.
Very impressed by Garcia. Don't know much about him and his hype has been next to zero for much of his career, but man can this guy punch.
I never really got the hype around Khan. Yes he has fantastic speed but he lacks the composure in the ring.
As others have noted, he seemed more interested in preparing for Floyd than his actual opponents and that has cost him dearly. Mayweather would've slaughtered the boy but now that fight should never happen.
As others have noted, he seemed more interested in preparing for Floyd than his actual opponents and that has cost him dearly. Mayweather would've slaughtered the boy but now that fight should never happen.
I think he's technically a very good boxer (in terms or picking punches and accuracy) but his defence is shocking and is what holds him back.
I do think he'll be a champion again because he's English and he's pretty much all we have so he'll continue to draw large viewing figures though whereas if he was an American and lost 3 fights the way he has he'd be finished.
He was unlucky in this fight.
I had him winning the first couple, and Garcia didn't really do anything until he hit him with that hook.
One thing I noticed is that Khan makes a lot of mistakes when he starts being wild. Even when he was sparring pre-fight he was getting caught loads of times when he was wild - but as his trainer was saying, when he boxes smart he is better.
Credit to Garcia though, he took everything Khan had and when you have the knockout power he possesses, the fight is always going to a little way away from being done.
Also credit to Khan. Despite him shouting his mouth off, it took a lot of heart for him to keep getting up from those knockdowns.
I had him winning the first couple, and Garcia didn't really do anything until he hit him with that hook.
One thing I noticed is that Khan makes a lot of mistakes when he starts being wild. Even when he was sparring pre-fight he was getting caught loads of times when he was wild - but as his trainer was saying, when he boxes smart he is better.
Credit to Garcia though, he took everything Khan had and when you have the knockout power he possesses, the fight is always going to a little way away from being done.
Also credit to Khan. Despite him shouting his mouth off, it took a lot of heart for him to keep getting up from those knockdowns.
You what? Kahn has held loads of belts, had big fights to big crowds in England and USA, been fighting abroad at Vegas etc loads... so what is he, a bum? No one was saying he's the greatest of all time but at 25 he's had a pretty decent career. Better than most people dream of, especially us warriors on the caf.
How many times have we heard that though? Can't see Kahn retiring at 25 and just fading away from world known star fighter to nothing or even just figher British/Euro title fights in small England venues. But he could retire, if he wanted, plenty in the bank.
He's never had any really outstanding victory and hes been fortunate in 1 or 2 other fights.
He obviously thought he was much better than he actually is
He really hasn't got a good chin at all! The shot that did the damage was behind the ear!
Maidana, Presscott and Garcia all are heavier hitters than average and they have all seriously hurt Khan. One of his biggest problems is that he gets completely discombobulated from his senses after taking a heavy shot, his loses his mind and gets jelly legs. In the forth round Garcia actually hit him slightly low, if he had his senses about him there he could have gone down and bought the time needed to recover but he was away in cloud cuckoo land at that point.
I do agree though that his style is just not suited to his weaknesses. The Freddie Roach way is to take the fight to the opponent but with a chin like that you can't be the aggressor. He should go and see Manny Stewart who taught suspect chins Wladmir Klitschko and Lennox Lewis the art of defensive boxing. If he was boxing to instruction then he really needs to drop Roach and if he was not boxing to instruction then Roach needs to drop him.
I think that Khan has been guilty of overlooking his opponents too, thinking ahead to mixing with the true elite. I think this has a lot to do with people blowing smoke up his ass since his Olympic days and Golden Boy have hyped him with HBO to the point of counter productivity.
People also need to get out of their heads that a fighter with two legitimate defeats is finished. A lot of this has to do with fighters like Floyd Mayweather and their carefully manicured records. You really think that Khan should never fight Floyd? You would do well to remember that Floyd's closet fight was against Jose Luis Castillo, many people including one judge has Castillo winning the fight, to put into context, Castillo at that point had 4 defeats and a draw on his record and had never beat an elite opponent, his best win before the Mayweather fight came against the mighty Stevie Johnston, a mediocre holder of a version of the World Lightweight title, Castillo then failed to beat Johnston in the rematch and only managing a draw. Mayweather, being an American Olympian, has always benefited from the best/kindest matchmaking and ever since he has the leverage to control his own boxing destiny he has never gone into a fight where he wasn't holding all the aces. He turned down world record money to rematch an ageing De La Hoya after DLH had run him close in their first fight, for such a 'great businessman' he sure does make some odd fiscal decisions.
Khan is 25 and can come again but he needs a different approach.
Roach told him to jab and move it was Khan that decided to fight an aggressive fight probably due to what Garcia's dad had been saying in the pre fight press conferences got to his head and he wanted to punish garcia for what his father said.
And Johnston a mediocre fighter?
Have you ever seen him fight?
In his prime he was one hell of a fighter very far from mediocre.
Anyone know where I can find English highlights of both fights last night?
OK I was being a little disrespectful there, in the old days Johnston would have been a contender in modern times he was undeservingly known as a 'champion'. Who were Johnston's best wins against?
I think that Khan can come again, he has the talent but I feel that he is too cocky and Roach has said before that Khan has disobeyed his instructions. He needs to learn that he can't do the macho stuff against big hitters. I remember against Maidana after he got tagged he raised his arms a la Manny Pacquiao to show that he wasn't hurt but he had that look of disorientation and I just thought 'why bother'. I really feel that he needs to appreciate his vulnerabilities if he is to move forward.
Despite Khan trying to brush it off , he will find it extremely hard to come back from this.
YouTube mate.
That's the whole point of this fight they couldn't get along so they got it on! You step in a ring the person across from you is trying to hurt you some even kill, why are you going to be pleasant or respectful before hand?
Ignore each other maybe but these two had a history so why that wasn't possible
Amir Khan disappoints me. His skillset, ability and body type means he should be an elite fighter. Fast hands and feet, power and accurate but he appears to either be incapable of carrying out a game plan due to lack of discipline or not have the boxing brain to do so (I think its the former).
He went into the fight looking for the kayo because of what Garcia's dad was saying. He abandoned his jab and went head hunting, even when he was impressing in the first and second rounds Garcia was landing sly counters and shots.
If he had boxed he would have got Garcia out of there, Khan in reality is a level or two above Garcia but as with Lamont Peterson fought a fight that negated his advantages and allowed his opponent into the fight.
He needs to forget about being a star (he likes to do showtime stuff like emulate Pac's banging his gloves together to show he isn't hurt and dropping his hands) or the next face and work on his craft, otherwise he will piss his career away. You can't develop a chin but you can fight in way that minimises how often you get hit. He is tall and long, common sense says keep your opponent on the end of your jab. That's not rocket science.
He has ZERO inside fight game so allowing his Garcia inside made no sense at all and when he gets hit he goes to shit, instead of clinching he was pushing Garcia away. Push me away I'll back up for like 2 seconds and I'm back on you, clinch and I can't do nothing you'll def get more than a few seconds as the ref has to break as well as separate the two fighters.
I'm just disappointed as he looks like he isn't gonna fulfil the talent he has. Freddie Roach needs to sit him down and develop his defence as Khan's consists of running and pushing and that's it