The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Lance Uppercut said:
I see Fury has vacated the British title rather than fight Price.
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I think that Price is the most legitimate heavyweight prospect that I know of. He is a the one young fighter that I have seen that has, in theory at least, all the attributes to succeed the K Brothers. He will be able to catch them on their decline too.

I would back Price to handle Fury any day of the week. Fury has been smart, he will no doubt match make himself to a title shot against one of the K-brothers, get a bit of hype going, it will be a fight that will draw some mainstream interest and earn him a nice payday albeit a serious beating too.
 
I haven't seen much of Price I have to admit... maybe 3 or 4 fights at most. Looks the real deal, though.

Having said that - and this is going from what I've read online - he has a reputation for being a bit chinny. Any truth to that?
 
mr.suave said:
I haven't seen much of Price I have to admit... maybe 3 or 4 fights at most. Looks the real deal, though.

Having said that - and this is going from what I've read online - he has a reputation for being a bit chinny. Any truth to that?
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I have heard that, too. I have also read that he has only ever been stopped on his feet.
 
I heard he got knocked down a few times in the amateurs, but don't really follow that level of the sport at all so don't know for sure. He seems very well built for a modern heavyweight though and not the usually flabby bastard that usually get put in front of the K brothers.
 
Thought that was dead in the water.

I'm surprised Peterson took it, to be honest. Even if he edges the fight again he blatantly won't get the decision.
 
I suppose with Pac, Floyd, Bradley, Ortiz, Berto, Alexander and Maidana all tied up, he didn't really have much of a choice.
 
It's just that I read an article pretty recently which said a possible fight with Marquez was in the pipeline, with the winner of that going on to face the Pacquiao-Bradley winner.

Sounded terrible, but they're all with Top Rank, so it wouldn't exactly surprise me...

I prefer this option, mind. First Khan-Peterson fight was a good scrap and, with all the bollocks that has gone on since then, the rematch should be good entertainment. Be interesting to see whether Khan will fare any better with Peterson's in-fighting tactics. It's pretty ridiculous that a guy with ambitions of being one of the world's best p4p fighters (which Khan no doubt does) has literally no idea what to do once a fighter gets inside his range.
 
Kevin Mitchell fights tonight doesn't he? Anyone know what channel it's on? Can't find it on SS or ESPN.
 
I've never even heard of that! Is it PPV? I have Virgin and have the sports package.
 
cw1984 said:
I've never even heard of that! Is it PPV? I have Virgin and have the sports package.
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It is Frank Warrens new channel, priced at 10 quid a month, frankly it has vastly reduced the amount of boxing that I watch as I can't justify paying yet another monthly subscription for sport.

How much is the Virgin sports package?
 
I'm not too sure (and too lazy to get a bill and check) but I've checked the channel and I don't have it.

'sake.
 
^ Yeh I know but I'm out this evening so was wanting to record it.
 
Did I hear that an English fighter is fighting a Klitschko this weekend?

Alright next weekend:


Two-time WBC World Heavyweight Champion Vitali Klitschko will defend his title against Dereck Chisora at the Olympiahalle Munich, Germany on February, 18, 2012.

Dereck „Del Boy“ Chisora is 27 years old and is rated in the Top 15 in the WBC world rankings. From 2010 until 2011, Chisora was the Commonwealth and British heavyweight champion. In his last fight, Chisora lost a very controversial split decision against Robert Helenius in Helenius’ hometown of Helsinki, Finland. Every boxing fan that watched this fight thought that Chisora clearly won and should be the real European champion. Dereck Chisora‘s fight record is 15 wins (9 KOs) with two defeats.

Dereck Chisora: „Wladimir Klitschko did not fight me last year so I am now going to get the world championship belt from his older brother Vitali. I will show Vitali that his time is over and make him retire. After I beat Vitali, if Wladimir wants revenge I will also fight him and take all their heavyweight championship belts back to London!“

Vitali Klitschko is 40 years old with a professional record of 43-2 with 40 KOs. His two defeats came only as a result of injuries and he never lost his title in the ring. Klitschko has the highest knock out percentage of any world champion with 93 percent. Vitali Klitschko is only the fourth boxer along with Muhammad Ali, Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis to win a heavyweight championship belt for the third time. It will be Klitschko’s 16th World Heavyweight Championship fight in Munich.

Vitali Klitschko: „Chisora has proven in his last fights that he is very strong with his infighting. His great performance against Helenius showed that he should be the European champion but I won’t be intimidated by his trash talking.”
In Germany, Klitschko vs. Chisora will be shown live and exclusively on Klitschko’s German TV partner RTL.
Ticket sales start on December 15 and will be available on Tickets Konzertkarten Eintrittskarten.
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Next Fight: Official Website of Vitali & Wladimir Klitschko

Never heard of this guy Chisora, seemed like a nice guy in the interview but I've never heard of him. Kept saying how big Klitschko is & said he'll beat him on speed.

He's going to get battered isn't he?
 
Colin129 said:
Did I hear that an English fighter is fighting a Klitschko this weekend?

Alright next weekend:




Next Fight: Official Website of Vitali & Wladimir Klitschko

Never heard of this guy Chisora, seemed like a nice guy in the interview but I've never heard of him. Kept saying how big Klitschko is & said he'll beat him on speed.

He's going to get battered isn't he?
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Chisora has next to no chance, it will be one of the biggest upsets in the past 10 years if he wins. Chisora has a good personality, to sell fights at least, (he has a criminal record for assaulting his girlfriend) as he is slightly eccentric and engaging. He isn't as bad as a lot of modern heavyweights as he can get up on his toes and box a bit but IMO, he is pretty far out of his depth in this one.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Chisora has next to no chance, it will be one of the biggest upsets in the past 10 years if he wins. Chisora has a good personality, to sell fights at least, (he has a criminal record for assaulting his girlfriend) as he is slightly eccentric and engaging. He isn't as bad as a lot of modern heavyweights as he can get up on his toes and box a bit but IMO, he is pretty far out of his depth in this one.
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How come he get's a shot then?
 
Colin129 said:
Did I hear that an English fighter is fighting a Klitschko this weekend?

Alright next weekend:




Next Fight: Official Website of Vitali & Wladimir Klitschko

Never heard of this guy Chisora, seemed like a nice guy in the interview but I've never heard of him. Kept saying how big Klitschko is & said he'll beat him on speed.

He's going to get battered isn't he?
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If he fights like he did vs Helenius, you can't ask for anything more. If he turns up in the state that he did vs Fury, then feck him.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
If he fights like he did vs Helenius, you can't ask for anything more. If he turns up in the state that he did vs Fury, then feck him.
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You think that if the best Chisora turns out then he stands more than a 5% chance? I think he will get drilled whatever.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I didn't say that. Read, Jimy, read. By the way, you're missing an M.
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It read, to me, like you were leaving a decent bit of hope for a committed Chisora. I was simply asking you if you believe that to be the case.

I ran out of letters on my nick, surprisingly, I do know how to spell Jimmy (Hill).
 
Chisora's in just about the best shape he's ever been in. I think he'll make Vitali work harder than most people manage to do. As for winning the fight... well, he has very little chance of pulling it off unless Vitali suddenly starts show to his age.

Time and time again a fighter can be made to look old overnight and, sooner or later, I think this'll happen to Vitali. Perhaps not now but you never know...

It could've been the Solis fight if his knee hadn't gone tits up. You can't really deduce anything meaningful from one round of action but Solis did look capable of causing problems, so maybe Chisora can too. His head movement against Helenius was great and he managed to negate all R.H.'s physical advantages.

Of course, Vitali is a master of controlling range but at least Chisora has no intention of standing at the end of his shots all night and will try and force the action. Should be a good fight.
 
mr.suave said:
Chisora's in just about the best shape he's ever been in. I think he'll make Vitali work harder than most people manage to do. As for winning the fight... well, he has very little chance of pulling it off unless Vitali suddenly starts show to his age.

Time and time again a fighter can be made to look old overnight and, sooner or later, I think this'll happen to Vitali. Perhaps not now but you never know...

It could've been the Solis fight if his knee hadn't gone tits up. You can't really deduce anything meaningful from one round of action but Solis did look capable of causing problems, so maybe Chisora can too. His head movement against Helenius was great and he managed to negate all R.H.'s physical advantages.

Of course, Vitali is a master of controlling range but at least Chisora has no intention of standing at the end of his shots all night and will try and force the action. Should be a good fight.
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Helenius just isn't comparable to VK.

Chisora is one of the better fighters in a weak heavyweight division, like you say, he is able to utilise some actual boxing skills like head movement and getting up on his toes and presenting a moving target, something that you see less and less in the modern heavyweight division. Like the majority of heavyweights, he carries the power in his fists to hurt most fighters but he is not a devastating puncher and VK has one of the best chins in boxing.

Did Solis really look like causing VK problems? He clearly lost the first round of that fight. Evading the K brothers is one thing, as Haye and Kevin Johnson have shown, it is then closing the range and infliciting damage on them that is the problem. If we are honest, then we have to admit that no one has even ruffled the feathers of the brothers Grim in years. I have tried to make a case for opponents of the Klitschko's in recent years and each time they have not even got close, more often than not taking brutal beatings.

There is always a chance, maybe Vitali will age and Chisora can turn out a memorable performance. I wouldn't bet on it though.
 
Did anyone see the Mitchell fight last night? Was he any good? Heard he won on points which was hardly surprising.
 
The IBF have installed Froch as Bute's mandatory. Looks like it's going ahead, with or without Showtime.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Who do you have in that fight? I haven't seen enough of Bute to be able to gauge how he will match up against Froch.
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It's a pick 'em fight, IMO. Very difficult to choose a winner.

Bute has looked decent against B and C level fighters while the Super 6 has been taking place. He has done what most people have expected him to do. The first fight with Andrade leaves a bad taste in my mouth, though, despite the outcome of the rematch.

We all know what Froch brings to the table. Great chin, underrated skills, and decent pop. He has also been operating in a higher class of opposition. That said, he was losing to Taylor until pulling it out of the bag, and I thought he lost to Dirrell. He lost to Kessler, and was handily beaten by Ward. Then again, to make things even more complicated, Froch claims to love fighting southpaws.

If pushed, I would choose Bute by decision. A lot may depend on whether it takes place in Canada or England. I don't know if the proposed 2 fight deal is still on the table.

Bute UD. Probably.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
It's a pick 'em fight, IMO. Very difficult to choose a winner.

Bute has looked decent against B and C level fighters while the Super 6 has been taking place. He has done what most people have expected him to do. The first fight with Andrade leaves a bad taste in my mouth, though, despite the outcome of the rematch.

We all know what Froch brings to the table. Great chin, underrated skills, and decent pop. He has also been operating in a higher class of opposition. That said, he was losing to Taylor until pulling it out of the bag, and I thought he lost to Dirrell. He lost to Kessler, and was handily beaten by Ward. Then again, to make things even more complicated, Froch claims to love fighting southpaws.

If pushed, I would choose Bute by decision. A lot may depend on whether it takes place in Canada or England. I don't know if the proposed 2 fight deal is still on the table.

Bute UD. Probably.
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Looks like team Bute are going to get in as many big pay days as they can before their fighter gets dethroned by Ward.

I bet Showtime are most unhappy by these developments. The whole point of the Super Six for them was to turn Ward into their cash cow. Yet the guy that Andre Ward beat in Showtime's Super Six final is getting the biggest name left in the division.
 
Ward is now the best fighter in that division. Its only a matter of time before people begin putting him in the PFP best fighter.

He'll be a cash cow either way and fighting Bute will come eventually if he wants it but why rush as he's clearly a level above.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Looks like team Bute are going to get in as many big pay days as they can before their fighter gets dethroned by Ward.

I bet Showtime are most unhappy by these developments. The whole point of the Super Six for them was to turn Ward into their cash cow. Yet the guy that Andre Ward beat in Showtime's Super Six final is getting the biggest name left in the division.
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Showtime want Bute to fight an American 'name' next. They obviously don't feel he has had enough US exposure yet, to go straight in with Ward. Their own fault, as they signed him.

Ward is now the best fighter in that division. Its only a matter of time before people begin putting him in the PFP best fighter.

He'll be a cash cow either way and fighting Bute will come eventually if he wants it but why rush as he's clearly a level above.
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I don't believe Ward will ever be a cash cow. Great fighter, but not exciting.
 
Rios and Gamboa is official now.

I don't see how this won't be ridiculously entertaining. They're 2 of the most exciting fighters about. Don't really know who I want to win, I love watching both of them.
Lance Uppercut said:
I don't believe Ward will ever be a cash cow. Great fighter, but not exciting.
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Agreed, he just doesn't have the style to reach out to the masses, nor does he seem to have the 'flashy' personality to compensate for it.

I don't see anyone beating him anytime soon, though.
 
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