You would love to see that. Rigondeaux called Donaire out after the fight, so maybe it will. Who knows.
Who promotes Rigondeaux?
Who promotes Rigondeaux?
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I have a feeling that Donaire would prefer to duck Rigondeaux and I am not sure who promotes him.
Rios vs Gamboa looking likely for April 14th. Should be a great fight.
Rigondeaux is too much of a small draw and unknown quantity at the moment for Arum to throw him in with Donaire. It is possible the Rigondeaux is the most talented fighter in the whole sport and he seems to be able to punch too. He is too much of a low fiscal reward and big sporting risk for Donaire at this point. He might just do to Donaire what Donaire did to Darchinyan.
Is this fight in the lightweight division? Gamboa has been campaining two divisions down at Featherweight whilst Rios failed to make lightweight last time out, losing his title on the scales.
It is a curious one as I feel that Rios has a definite ceiling, for me he is too static and predictable. I would actually favour Ricky Burns over Rios due to Burn's jab, boxing ability and chin. Gamboa is the superior fighter but will surely be giving away all the physical advantages here, if Rios nails him then he is going to go down, this is a fighter that carries his hands by his hips for periods in fights, a fighter that has been caught before. If Gamboa is disciplined I think that he could box circles round Rios but Gamboa is cocky and flashy, it is a very interesting fight.
Gamboa's fought as high as 133 (thanks, Boxrec) before so it's not entirely uncharted waters for him, but having his first fight at the weight against Rios - a guy who's too strong for most natural lightweights - is madness.
Interesting that you mentioned Rios being too big for 135 though... I think Arum has thrown them in together because the loser's stock won't be affected too badly by the defeat. If Gamboa loses he can say the weight jump was too much and, if the same happens to Rios, he can blame it on being weight drained.
I think Gamboa is the much better fighter, personally, but the durability and physical advantages Rios usually relies on will be even more pronounced against a guy of Gamboa's size. I don't think Gamboa's flashy or cocky, really, he's just an explosive fighter... he can get reckless when he gets excited, though, and jump in with his hands down (which is usually when you see him get knocked down).
I dunno if you saw Rios against Acosta last year but I think that's a pretty good guide as to how this fight might pan out: Rios taking a beating for a few rounds, withstanding it and then turning the fight around with his power.
Whatever happens it will be fecking fun to watch, they are 2 of the most exciting fighters in the sport. After this I want Rios to go up to light welter and take on Maidana or Matthyse.
Interesting that you mentioned Rios being too big for 135 though... I think Arum has thrown them in together because the loser's stock won't be affected too badly by the defeat. If Gamboa loses he can say the weight jump was too much and, if the same happens to Rios, he can blame it on being weight drained.
I think Gamboa is the much better fighter, personally, but the durability and physical advantages Rios usually relies on will be even more pronounced against a guy of Gamboa's size. I don't think Gamboa's flashy or cocky, really, he's just an explosive fighter... he can get reckless when he gets excited, though, and jump in with his hands down (which is usually when you see him get knocked down).
I dunno if you saw Rios against Acosta last year but I think that's a pretty good guide as to how this fight might pan out: Rios taking a beating for a few rounds, withstanding it and then turning the fight around with his power.
Whatever happens it will be fecking fun to watch, they are 2 of the most exciting fighters in the sport. After this I want Rios to go up to light welter and take on Maidana or Matthyse.
So found this on twitter Mayweather to fight Miguel Cotto. Now on ESPN Floyd Mayweather Jr. granted license to fight Miguel Cotto - ESPN.
I bet as soon as this is official Arum will be out saying "well we could have done May 5th".
I bet as soon as this is official Arum will be out saying "well we could have done May 5th".
And no catchweight gayness. Good opponent.
Boxingscene
Interesting fight 6 years ago. Thought that Floyd didn't want Manny's 'left overs'.
Will be a decent spectacle but it isn't exactly what you would call a fascinating match up.
Cotto at 154 > Cotto at 145. Even now.
Gamboa's fought as high as 133 (thanks, Boxrec) before so it's not entirely uncharted waters for him, but having his first fight at the weight against Rios - a guy who's too strong for most natural lightweights - is madness.
Interesting that you mentioned Rios being too big for 135 though... I think Arum has thrown them in together because the loser's stock won't be affected too badly by the defeat. If Gamboa loses he can say the weight jump was too much and, if the same happens to Rios, he can blame it on being weight drained.
I think Gamboa is the much better fighter, personally, but the durability and physical advantages Rios usually relies on will be even more pronounced against a guy of Gamboa's size. I don't think Gamboa's flashy or cocky, really, he's just an explosive fighter... he can get reckless when he gets excited, though, and jump in with his hands down (which is usually when you see him get knocked down).
I dunno if you saw Rios against Acosta last year but I think that's a pretty good guide as to how this fight might pan out: Rios taking a beating for a few rounds, withstanding it and then turning the fight around with his power.
Whatever happens it will be fecking fun to watch, they are 2 of the most exciting fighters in the sport. After this I want Rios to go up to light welter and take on Maidana or Matthyse.
I have not seen Rios - Acosta, I will check it out. I saw Rios against Peterson, Antilion and Murray and didn't get the impression that I was watching a future top 10 P4P, perhaps if he is matched correctly (cynically) he could break the list.
I really like Gamboa, he is unorthodox and fast as lighting but he will be giving up 2.5'' in height and 3'' in reach in this fight. He isn't the hardest to hit and against a puncher like Rios (a naturally bigger man) that puts him at risk for the whole 12 rounds.
Unlike Mayweather - Cotto this is a fascinating match up, one that will almost certainly catch fire.
Have a look at Cotto's last six fights, two savage beatings and no great wins.
Why? I have seen all of them. Who do you feel is a superior opponent for Floyd? Considering that Arum is absolutely terrified of putting his cash cow in the ring with him?
Sergio Martinez.
Wouldn't mind seeing James Kirkland trying to take his head off either. Look, Cotto is still a top level fighter but we all know that he is going to lose this fight. It is Pac or Martinez otherwise you are wasting your PPV money if you want to see a competitive match up, that is why I am not that interested in this fight.
Gamboa - Rios, two undefeated rising stars, both of whom you can see winning the fight, now that is interesting.
Why should he fight a MW? Martinez has expressed a serious interest in fighting both Pac and Floyd. If he is a potential opponent for Floyd, then he has to be considered as a potential opponent for Pac. Who, for the record, is likely going to be fighting a 140 pound guy in his next fight.
Martinez calling out either is bullshit, anyway, IMO. DiBella is just praying for a payday for his guy. Rather than calling out welterweights, why not call out a SMW?
He was knocked out in one round 3 fights ago. I know he is back with Wolfe, but it's a nothing fight in the grand scheme of things. No one outside of hardcore boxing fans is going to pay to see that.
I don't consider Pac to be a threat. If the fight happens he will be beaten like a drum.
I would feel the same way about Pac or Martinez, good fighters but they would lose the fight, Pac is ducking and Cotto isn't the big difference.
Martinez is an excellent fighter. I wouldn't sell him short.
We are not talking about Pac. However, he has never even weighed in at the Welterweight limit after being on aggressive weight gain programs so I see no problem with him fighting at 140, he is a naturally smaller man than Floyd, 5'6.5 and 5'8 respectively. Incidentally, Roach said that Martinez - Pac would be made at 150lbs.
I agree. If Martinez wants to enhance the legacy he often talks about then he needs to go after the SMW's. On the same token if Floyd wants to enhance his reputation as being 'better than Sugar Ray Robinson' then he needs to go after Martinez.
Fair point, it is just a fight that I would like to see.
LOL I agree, the irony being that Cotto will be beaten somewhat harder, further supporting my misgivings and lack of interest in this fight.
Well, yes, Manny is the king of the catchweights. Picking a weight that Martinez can't make anyway is a smart move. But, as I said, Martinez shouldn't be considering either, in my opinion.
Cotto at 154 will give Floyd a tougher fight than Pac at 147, IMO.
As someone said this fight is 5 years too late. Mayweather will out box him (I say with tears coming down my face)
How's the journo career going, bud? Last I saw you were published in The Guardian (I think)? Pretty cool.
Doing alright, just bouncing around everywhere. Tris Dixon from Boxing News is a cnut has twice offered me work then just ignored me. Will try Glynn Leach from Boxing Monthly as he appears a nice guy from my limited interactions with him.
Hope you are well mate.
Sad to read the news of the death of Angelo Dundee
I met him in 2007 in Louisville at a 'Rumble in the Jungle Replay' event to raise money for the Ali Centre...he was a really nice guy and you could tell how close he and Ali were to each other. Got a treasured memento from the trip...boxing glove signed by both Ali and Dundee.
(The guy in the hat is Ali's brother...rode up in the lift with him and he never stopped talking!)
I met him in 2007 in Louisville at a 'Rumble in the Jungle Replay' event to raise money for the Ali Centre...he was a really nice guy and you could tell how close he and Ali were to each other. Got a treasured memento from the trip...boxing glove signed by both Ali and Dundee.
(The guy in the hat is Ali's brother...rode up in the lift with him and he never stopped talking!)
Great pics
What's on tonight then?
Last night Julio Cesar Chavez Jr beat Marco Antonio Rubio, another meh win for Chavez IMO, a fighter that gets a disproportionate amount of press attention because of his famous father.
Nonito Doniare beat Wilfredo Vasquez Jnr on a split points decision, though from what I have been read this morning the reports are not exactly glowing for Donaire.
I think that we might see a Paul Williams type effect with Donaire, like William's, Donaire was able to make weight for divisions where was considerably larger than his opponents and had significant height and reach advantages. When Williams moved up to the middleweight divisions after being constantly ducked by the top names in the Welterweight division (Floyd Mayweather most notably) there was an equalising effect as those physical advantages became less pronounced, it wasn't long before this happened to him.
I think that we could see the same happen with Donaire, especially as there are lots of very dangerous fighters in and around 126 Gamboa, Rigondeaux and Juan Manuel Lopez to name a few.
Balls! That'll be two underwhelming fights in a row for Donaire, the latest of which I've neglected to actually watch. I had him pegged as one of the boxers I had to keep an eye on too, along with the likes of Gamboa, Lopez, Rigondeaux, Rios and Kirkland.
I'm turning into the Kelvin (negative, whining, spoilt faggot that spams the Utd and Transfer Forums) of the boxing thread, so can anyone give me some news or a fight that'll rekindle my enthusiiasm?
You should probably watch the fight.
What? Donaire is a shade over 5'5. The same height as Maldonado, Darchinyan, Mthalane, and shorter than Andrade.
He had already beaten Martinez. Fighters get KO'd. It happens. Especially when they don't bother with trivial things like defence.
Mysteriously Donaire has officially shrunk! Boxrec and Wikipedia used to have Donaire listed at 5'7 now they have him at 5'5.5 and 5'6 respectively. Regardless, we will use the lowest height measurement and still if we compare the height and reach of all Doniare's major opponents it is undeniable that he took a physical advantages into each of those fights
Donaire H - 5'5.5 R 68
Vasquez H - 5'5.5 R 66
Narvaez H - 5'3 R 64
Montiel H - 5'4 R 66.5
Darchinyan H - 5'5.5 R 64.5
Incidentally Maldonado, Mthalane, and Andrade all have shorter reach than Donaire and the one fighter (Andrade) who might be 1/2 inch taller, (who still has inferior reach) has a record of 37-35-2! Frankly these are very poor examples for your counter argument.
When Paul Williams was operating in the Welterweight division he was the most feared and avoided fighter in boxing. Since he has moved up to the Middleweight divisions he is now very far from that. The first fight against Martinez, in which he was favourite, was very close and most had Martinez winning, in the rematch Williams was brutally KO'd and in his first fight after that KO, Williams was gifted the decision against Erislandy Lara and looked simply awful.
Lance, two years ago Williams was in the top 5 P4P fighters in the world, now he would be lucky to be ranked in the top 20, many are of the opinion that he is finished. When the physical advantages were taken away he was proven not to be the top 5 P4P fighter many had thought. I think that the same will be proven true with Donaire. I would bet money on him losing against Gamboa, Juan Manuel Lopez and Rigondeaux.
Donaire's own assessment after last nights fight.
"I'm definitely staying at 122 for awhile," "There are things [trainer] Robert [Garcia] asked me to do that I couldn't do so well, so we will go back to the drawing board."
Not exactly the Pacquiao-esque rampage through the divisions that so many were predicting.
You said:
You were wrong.
What a load of shit. I guess Williams repeating it over and over did have an effect on some people. Williams can barely draw breath. That is why he didn't get the big fights.
Yep.
I have never rated Williams in the top five P4P.
Donaire BEFORE the fight last night.
Boxingscene
Using the word significant was too strong but I am not wrong in saying that he has had physical advantages over his major opponents. You hang onto semantics but I provided you with factual proof that this was the case. I will also provide anecdotal evidence that Donaire used to be listed at 5'7 if you wish.
This is an opinion that is not supported by any actual evidence. Fact remains that if your boy Floyd 'greater than Sugar Ray Robinson' Mayweather wanted to back up his bold claims then he should have fought Williams when that aura was still there, after all doesn't Floyd always bring the money to the table anyway?
He was ranked in the Ring Magazine top 5, as high as 3 if I remember correctly. Those ratings are polled from the opinions of numerous boxing journalists from around the world, not infallible of course but as good a marker as you will get.
Fair enough
Thank you. Comparing him to Williams was not clever.
I watched "the most feared and avoided fighter in the world" get thoroughly outboxed by Carlos Quintana.
My boy?
I make my own mind up by watching fighters fight. Williams has zero defence, it was a matter of time before he got starched.
Expected more from Rubio last night
Why was it not? I still maintain that I don't think that Donaire will be able to move up through the divisions a la Pac. I think that should Donaire continue to move up then he will find his level at 126 just like Williams did at Middleweight.
Because Williams actually does hold significant height and reach advantages over most of his opponents.
As for Donaire, I have my doubts about whether he can further move up through the divisions. But why should he? He has now won titles in 3 divisions.
Anyone see the Irish amateurs on Friday night? I'm guessing you did, Lance. What do you make of Joe Ward? Lots of talent IMO. Huge power for an 18 year old and his style looks like it could suit the pros. He has some things he needs to clean up, though, and he needs to get in better shape.
Frampton had a good win last week, too.
Frampton had a good win last week, too.
Sorry, bud, missed it.
Sorry, bud, missed it.
Joe bet Kenny Egan 29-10, just punished him. Kenny had to take a standing count and if there was no headgear, he would have been KO'd. Ward has outstanding power, scary that he is only 18. Pretty good handspeed for a guy that strong too. Negatives - was gassed in the third round, footwork could improve etc.. But a lot of promise there! Hopefully he makes the olympics, should be in contention for a medal.
I see Fury has vacated the British title rather than fight Price.