The Reality Draft: Main Thread (Finals)

Doesn't make sense, why would his stock be at an all time low after he's won his country the world cup?

Well, he hasn't properly turned on the heat for Bayern, I suppose. And he wasn't a starter for Germany. People are demanding.

Plus - no beard. Not as much as a stubble on that baby-arse mug of his.
 
Are you being obtuse on purpose? Bar that goal he did not even had a good WC. His last season form for Bayern was also average at best. I don't think he makes Bayern's first team when everyone is fit. His development at Bayern has not been upto expectations at all.

It clearly hasn't been anywhere near the development curve he had earlier in his career, but that was not the expectation from anybody sane. He was clearly choosing to become a rotational option at the best club in the world with a manager he respected very much - over being the star player in a lesser team.
 
Well, alright - I guess I'll take this fecker then:

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It clearly hasn't been anywhere near the development curve he had earlier in his career, but that was not the expectation from anybody sane. He was clearly choosing to become a rotational option at the best club in the world with a manager he respected very much - over being the star player in a lesser team.

People who rated him (which still includes me) expected him to make himself a permanent starter at Bayern. For whatever reason that has not happened. Given Germany's injuries he also should have been a starter for them at WC but again his performances did not warrant that at all.

It is also worth keeping in mind that this is not a "potential" draft. You won't be rating players on their potential but what is their capability right now. Goetze may as well go on to be next Messi but that is not relevant to this draft.
 
01. Annahnomoss - (3. Tardelli) 1. Cocu 2. Gentile 4. Amoros 5. Rossi 6. Gascoigne 7. Scirea 8. Bossis 9. Littbarski
02. Chesterlestreet - (7. Lahm) 1. Mascherano 2. Nedved 3. Neeskens 4. Beckham 5. Henry 6. Júnior, 8. Buchwald 9. G. Neville 10. J. Rodriguez
03. Joga Bonito - (4. O Ardiles) 1. Keown 2. Baggio 3. Figo 5. Weah 6. Søren Lerby 7. Cafú 8. Koeman 9. De Rossi 10. Juan Bernat
04. Raees - (2. Makelele) 1. Morena 3. Socrates 4. Conti 5. Stoichkov 6. Ballack 7. Zanetti, 8. Costacurta 9. Terry, 10. Pogba
05. antohan - (3. Gerrard) 1. Ljungberg 2. Boniek 4. Effenberg 5. Raul 6. Luis Enrique 7. Hierro 8. T. Silva 9. Ferrara 10. Götze
06. BorisDeLeFora - (7. Bergomi) 1. Zambrotta 2. Tigana 3. Robson 4. Cerezo 5. Del Piero 6. Klinsmann 8. Lucio 9. Popescu 10. Koke
07. ctp - (6. Ribéry) 1. Brolin 2. Lato 3. Xavi 4. Guardiola 5. Shevchenko 7. Kohler 8. Carvalho 9. Kakà 10. Carvajal
08. Skizzo - (7. Brehme) 1. Solskjaer 2. Cabrini 3. Schuster 4. K. Förster 5. Hugo Sanchez 6. Barnes 8. Deschamps 9. McGrain 10. Marquinhos
09. MJJ (Theon) - (4. Dalglish) 1. Di Livio 2. Souness 3. Bochini 5. Rivaldo 6. McGrath 7. Sammer 8. Campbell 9. Totti 10. Ricardo Rodriguez
10. Jayvin - (3. Iniesta) 1. Gallas 2. Vieira 4. Lizarazu 5. Romario 6. Overmars 7. Desailly 8. Blanc 9. Xabi Alonso 10. Hazard
11. Stobzilla - (8. Jugovic) 1. Camoranesi 2. Hansen 3. Davids 4. Balakov 5. Batistuta 6. Irwin 7. Passarella 9. Pires 10. Strootman
12. Aldo - (7. Rio) 1. Senna 2. Hagi 3. Pirlo 4. Schweinsteiger 5. RvN 6. Tresor 8. Camacho 9. Gerets 10. Neymar
13. The Red Viper - (5. Simonsen) 1. Prosinečki 2. Robben 3. Scholes 4. Vidic 6. Eto'o 7. Stam 8. Rui Costa 9. Dunga 10. Rafael Da Silva
14. VivaJanuzaj - (7. Nesta) 1. Francescoli 2. Seedorf 3. Breitner 4. Vierchowod 5. Rummenigge 6. Savicevic 8. Verón 9. Adams 10. Alaba
15. harms - (1. Puyol) 2. Blokhin 3. Falcao 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Bergkamp 6.Bonhof 7. Ruggeri 8. Willy Ortiz 9. Stielike 10. Varane
16. crappycraperson - (7. Cannavaro) 1. Nadal 2. M. Kempes 3. Roy Keane 4. Jan Ceulemans 5. Shearer 6. Prohaska 8. Briegel 9. Ayala 10. Kroos

@Annahnomoss
 
Are you being obtuse on purpose? Bar that goal he did not even had a good WC. His last season form for Bayern was also average at best. I don't think he makes Bayern's first team when everyone is fit. His development at Bayern has not been upto expectations at all.

Crappy, should I unearth your posts having a pop at Robben because "one good season was not a good indication of his peak"?

Add to that my raging arguments in that same draft about Schweinsteiger being the best midfield alll-rounder since Matthäus.

I can see Balu rubbing his hands in glee. Anto, the Bayern player form reverse-jynx.
 
People who rated him (which still includes me) expected him to make himself a permanent starter at Bayern. For whatever reason that has not happened. Given Germany's injuries he also should have been a starter for them at WC but again his performances did not warrant that at all.

It is also worth keeping in mind that this is not a "potential" draft. You won't be rating players on their potential but what is their capability right now. Goetze may as well go on to be next Messi but that is not relevant to this draft.
To be fair, he was a starter until Klose was fit and with Löw's undying love for Klose and Özil, there was no way he'd start ahead of them in the end no matter what he does. I don't think Götze played worse than Özil in the group stages before he lost his starting spot and he was pretty influential in our title win in the end.
 
People who rated him (which still includes me) expected him to make himself a permanent starter at Bayern. For whatever reason that has not happened. Given Germany's injuries he also should have been a starter for them at WC but again his performances did not warrant that at all.

It is also worth keeping in mind that this is not a "potential" draft. You won't be rating players on their potential but what is their capability right now. Goetze may as well go on to be next Messi but that is not relevant to this draft.

Fair enough that he didn't follow your expectations on him. But you realize he played just one game less for Bayern last year, than he did for Dortmund the year before. He scored the same amount of goals both seasons and he had one less assist last season. (10 goals 7 assists in 20 games(7 sub)).

Considering he was shifted about, he did quite well in my eyes.
 
Well, alright - I guess I'll take this fecker then:

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You had to pick that goal? :(

Another case of "player moved to new club, not as hot as before, he is now shit". Madrid syndrome, great players don't turn to shit, adapting to new environments/partners and requirements does. Briefly.
 
I wouldn't say Goetze is the most proven young player around, I think it's pretty definit that Alaba is the one who proved himself most worthy for the long run. He may have not won the WC, but was a regular starter and a key player in Bayern's treble, a very intelligent player - didn't put a foot wrong defensively and gave a huge contribution going forward. Don't think Varane, Goetze Neymar or anyone else have proved to be more mature or fufiles a bigger part of their potential than Alaba is
 
I wouldn't say Goetze is the most proven young player around, I think it's pretty definit that Alaba is the one who proved himself most worthy for the long run. He may have not won the WC, but was a regular starter and a key player in Bayern's treble, a very intelligent player - didn't put a foot wrong defensively and gave a huge contribution going forward. Don't think Varane, Goetze Neymar or anyone else have proved to be more mature or fufiles a bigger part of their potential than Alaba is
Kroos is easily the most established of all the picks this round, followed by Hazard in my opinion. Alaba is a very good 3rd.
 
To be fair, he was a starter until Klose was fit and with Löw's undying love for Klose and Özil, there was no way he'd start ahead of them in the end no matter what he does. I don't think Götze played worse than Özil in the group stages before he lost his starting spot and he was pretty influential in our title win in the end.

Don't bother Balu

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Heh. Look at Ole's shirt - bleedin' Batman cape. Odd how these perceptions change. They looked perfectly normal - not to say quite stylish - to me at the time.
 
Kroos is easily the most established of all the picks this round, followed by Hazard in my opinion. Alaba is a very good 3rd.

And ultimately it's about how you plan to use them and whether it makes sense and plays to their strengths. In that sense, quite a few of these picks are very well suited to fulfill the roles assigned to them.
 
Kroos is easily the most established of all the picks this round, followed by Hazard in my opinion. Alaba is a very good 3rd.

Issue with Kroos is that he has clear deficiencies in his game - which his move to Madrid is exploiting i.e. he lacks athleticism (in right system - top player) and Hazard was piss poor this world cup and is mentally arguably a little flaky. Alaba is a very solid pick - hard to find a weakness with him.
 
01. Annahnomoss - (3. Tardelli) 1. Cocu 2. Gentile 4. Amoros 5. Rossi 6. Gascoigne 7. Scirea 8. Bossis 9. Littbarski 10. Sterling
02. Chesterlestreet - (7. Lahm) 1. Mascherano 2. Nedved 3. Neeskens 4. Beckham 5. Henry 6. Júnior, 8. Buchwald 9. G. Neville 10. J. Rodriguez
03. Joga Bonito - (4. O Ardiles) 1. Keown 2. Baggio 3. Figo 5. Weah 6. Søren Lerby 7. Cafú 8. Koeman 9. De Rossi 10. Juan Bernat
04. Raees - (2. Makelele) 1. Morena 3. Socrates 4. Conti 5. Stoichkov 6. Ballack 7. Zanetti, 8. Costacurta 9. Terry, 10. Pogba
05. antohan - (3. Gerrard) 1. Ljungberg 2. Boniek 4. Effenberg 5. Raul 6. Luis Enrique 7. Hierro 8. T. Silva 9. Ferrara 10. Götze
06. BorisDeLeFora - (7. Bergomi) 1. Zambrotta 2. Tigana 3. Robson 4. Cerezo 5. Del Piero 6. Klinsmann 8. Lucio 9. Popescu 10. Koke
07. ctp - (6. Ribéry) 1. Brolin 2. Lato 3. Xavi 4. Guardiola 5. Shevchenko 7. Kohler 8. Carvalho 9. Kakà 10. Carvajal
08. Skizzo - (7. Brehme) 1. Solskjaer 2. Cabrini 3. Schuster 4. K. Förster 5. Hugo Sanchez 6. Barnes 8. Deschamps 9. McGrain 10. Marquinhos
09. MJJ (Theon) - (4. Dalglish) 1. Di Livio 2. Souness 3. Bochini 5. Rivaldo 6. McGrath 7. Sammer 8. Campbell 9. Totti 10. Ricardo Rodriguez
10. Jayvin - (3. Iniesta) 1. Gallas 2. Vieira 4. Lizarazu 5. Romario 6. Overmars 7. Desailly 8. Blanc 9. Xabi Alonso 10. Hazard
11. Stobzilla - (8. Jugovic) 1. Camoranesi 2. Hansen 3. Davids 4. Balakov 5. Batistuta 6. Irwin 7. Passarella 9. Pires 10. Strootman
12. Aldo - (7. Rio) 1. Senna 2. Hagi 3. Pirlo 4. Schweinsteiger 5. RvN 6. Tresor 8. Camacho 9. Gerets 10. Neymar
13. The Red Viper - (5. Simonsen) 1. Prosinečki 2. Robben 3. Scholes 4. Vidic 6. Eto'o 7. Stam 8. Rui Costa 9. Dunga 10. Rafael Da Silva
14. VivaJanuzaj - (7. Nesta) 1. Francescoli 2. Seedorf 3. Breitner 4. Vierchowod 5. Rummenigge 6. Savicevic 8. Verón 9. Adams 10. Alaba
15. harms - (1. Puyol) 2. Blokhin 3. Falcao 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Bergkamp 6.Bonhof 7. Ruggeri 8. Willy Ortiz 9. Stielike 10. Varane
16. crappycraperson - (7. Cannavaro) 1. Nadal 2. M. Kempes 3. Roy Keane 4. Jan Ceulemans 5. Shearer 6. Prohaska 8. Briegel 9. Ayala 10. Kroos
 
Seems like Thiago's stock really is at an all time low :lol: . I for one can't wait to see him on the pitch again.
 
Well, I can't complain, I started the round thinking at best I would get De Sciglio, Digne or Josema.

Mario feckin' Götze, am I awake?
 
01. Annahnomoss - (3. Tardelli) 1. Cocu 2. Gentile 4. Amoros 5. Rossi 6. Gascoigne 7. Scirea 8. Bossis 9. Littbarski 10. Sterling 11. D. Alves
02. Chesterlestreet - (7. Lahm) 1. Mascherano 2. Nedved 3. Neeskens 4. Beckham 5. Henry 6. Júnior, 8. Buchwald 9. G. Neville 10. J. Rodriguez
03. Joga Bonito - (4. O Ardiles) 1. Keown 2. Baggio 3. Figo 5. Weah 6. Søren Lerby 7. Cafú 8. Koeman 9. De Rossi 10. Juan Bernat
04. Raees - (2. Makelele) 1. Morena 3. Socrates 4. Conti 5. Stoichkov 6. Ballack 7. Zanetti, 8. Costacurta 9. Terry, 10. Pogba
05. antohan - (3. Gerrard) 1. Ljungberg 2. Boniek 4. Effenberg 5. Raul 6. Luis Enrique 7. Hierro 8. T. Silva 9. Ferrara 10. Götze
06. BorisDeLeFora - (7. Bergomi) 1. Zambrotta 2. Tigana 3. Robson 4. Cerezo 5. Del Piero 6. Klinsmann 8. Lucio 9. Popescu 10. Koke
07. ctp - (6. Ribéry) 1. Brolin 2. Lato 3. Xavi 4. Guardiola 5. Shevchenko 7. Kohler 8. Carvalho 9. Kakà 10. Carvajal
08. Skizzo - (7. Brehme) 1. Solskjaer 2. Cabrini 3. Schuster 4. K. Förster 5. Hugo Sanchez 6. Barnes 8. Deschamps 9. McGrain 10. Marquinhos
09. MJJ (Theon) - (4. Dalglish) 1. Di Livio 2. Souness 3. Bochini 5. Rivaldo 6. McGrath 7. Sammer 8. Campbell 9. Totti 10. Ricardo Rodriguez
10. Jayvin - (3. Iniesta) 1. Gallas 2. Vieira 4. Lizarazu 5. Romario 6. Overmars 7. Desailly 8. Blanc 9. Xabi Alonso 10. Hazard
11. Stobzilla - (8. Jugovic) 1. Camoranesi 2. Hansen 3. Davids 4. Balakov 5. Batistuta 6. Irwin 7. Passarella 9. Pires 10. Strootman
12. Aldo - (7. Rio) 1. Senna 2. Hagi 3. Pirlo 4. Schweinsteiger 5. RvN 6. Tresor 8. Camacho 9. Gerets 10. Neymar
13. The Red Viper - (5. Simonsen) 1. Prosinečki 2. Robben 3. Scholes 4. Vidic 6. Eto'o 7. Stam 8. Rui Costa 9. Dunga 10. Rafael Da Silva
14. VivaJanuzaj - (7. Nesta) 1. Francescoli 2. Seedorf 3. Breitner 4. Vierchowod 5. Rummenigge 6. Savicevic 8. Verón 9. Adams 10. Alaba
15. harms - (1. Puyol) 2. Blokhin 3. Falcao 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Bergkamp 6.Bonhof 7. Ruggeri 8. Willy Ortiz 9. Stielike 10. Varane
16. crappycraperson - (7. Cannavaro) 1. Nadal 2. M. Kempes 3. Roy Keane 4. Jan Ceulemans 5. Shearer 6. Prohaska 8. Briegel 9. Ayala 10. Kroos
 
Seems like Thiago's stock really is at an all time low :lol: . I for one can't wait to see him on the pitch again.

A move to Pep's experiments strikes again... No worries mate, in a year or so (maybe not even that) we will all be laughing our arses at this discussions/omissions.
 
I really rate Thiago, but having a youth as a central midfielder is a bit fishy. Really don't want to see Thiago in a role up against Roy Keane for example. Even if I love Thiago I think that him and most youngsters would have a quite poor performance. Considering there are quite a few of the Keane-type around, I just want to avoid a CM and play the youth player in a role where they can shine in a pacey/technical role.
 
Kroos is easily the most established of all the picks this round, followed by Hazard in my opinion. Alaba is a very good 3rd.
For me Kroos isn't as settled as Alaba. Alaba is a sure starter for Bayern for a few years now in Bayern and captain of the Austria NT. Kroos has more experience as is very mature indeed, I absolutely love him(used to try and get him every FM save no matter who I played), but Kroos didn't have the team status that Alaba had until Schweinsteiger got injured, a lot.
As for Hazard, I just think he's a childish fecker. I wouldn't want him to lead my team any day, he's a superb talent but a little cnut at the same time imo.
I'd place Alaba second right after Kroos I guess, than Varane on third over Hazard imo
 
Nobody gambled on Adnan, one might remark. Would have been a vote puller.

Others I thought was in with a chance: Thiago, Oscar...and, I don't know - Mangala, perhaps. And Phil, of course. But he's too great for this draft, so that figures.
 
Also, no love for Aaron Ramsey?

Tonnes of those examples and they go to show how fickle fans are re: the next big thing. Wilshere, Barkley, Oscar, Januzaj, Shaqiri, Draxler, Lukaku, Balotelli...

Still amazed at how that panned out. James going second to last :eek: And there I was mulling over how I could use Daley Blind on Saturday.