The Reality Draft: Main Thread (Finals)

Aldo said:
Never wanted a defender in this round tbh.
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Yeah, with hindsight, you only have Pirlo messing you around this one round so it makes sense you build a lasting platform for something else and that you would have picked someone who helps you get past this next game but isn't required later as well.
 
antohan said:
I do agree with others though that if you have Matthäus and Falcao already in that midfield they'd do that and Redondo would take a more defensive/stabilising role. You risk having a bunch of headless chicken running around otherwise.
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Yes. But everything good in this world depends on NOT having headless chickens feck it up for ya. I'd put it like this: The 3 X B2B idea is steeped in the tradition of total football. The three MUST know when to push forward and when to hold - and they can't all do their own thing in isolation - the latter would be, let's say, the Stevie G school of box-to-boxing. They must be disciplined and they must have brains for football, that goes without saying.
 
Losing Rio was a hard blow for you, Aldo, now that I think of it. 'Cause he did sport a beard. A stupid one, granted - but hair is hair, as they say.
 
antohan said:
Pretty obvious I won't get the RB I want. Back four out of the window then? :smirk:
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I'd go with a back 4 if I was you, as much as I think Zibi can do a fine job as a wingback I'd rather have him in the final third in a free role, as you usually put it creating chaos, than have him constantly looking over his shoulder.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Yes. But everything good in this world depends on NOT having headless chickens feck it up for ya. I'd put it like this: The 3 X B2B idea is steeped in the tradition of total football. The three MUST know when to push forward and when to hold - and they can't all do their own thing in isolation - the latter would be, let's say, the Stevie G school of box-to-boxing. They must be disciplined and they must have brains for football, that goes without saying.
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However much I like total football in full flow, it's incredibly hard to keep the required discipline and for everyone to be on song at the same time. I prefer having certain "certainties" things can revolve around and a pivot provides such a certainty. That was one brilliant thing about Guardiola in the Dream Team, Cruyff could keep making up random teamsheets with insane personnel, but when they got on the pitch they all knew there was a "Guardiola role". If in doubt or if things aren't working, give it to Pep and he'll know what to do, sort of thing. It doesn't require being immobile, but it does require your job being very different from the blood and thunder of b2b.
 
Raees said:
Anto.. make your pick, this wait is killing me haha.
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But if I don't discard a back four I would fancy that DLP. Actually, I just fancy him anyway. When we started and I didn't have Ljungberg I wanted to try a certain formation and the 90s player was ear-marked to be one of two pivots/DM/DLPs still available.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Part and parcel of Redondo's game was his forays into the opposition half. He sat deep, ventured forward, fell back again, hit it long, hit it short, carried the ball into opposition territory - the works. He may have functioned as what people call a pivot today at times, but he certainly wasn't limited to that.

The tendency towards specialization in football has made his type all too rare. Like Matthäus or Falcao, he was a complete midfielder.
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Obviously, Redondo wasn't limited to that as he had great close control which helped him to get out of tight spaces. But his best was when he sat in front of the defence and orchestrated the play. He made some attacking runs here and there but those were mostly one-touch build ups plays to create an opening for the attack. Box-Box midfielders are players like Matthaus or Robson or Vieira. Players who do plenty of off the ball running in attack. Redondo on the other hand likes to have the ball mostly.
 
Aldo said:
I'd go with a back 4 if I was you, as much as I think Zibi can do a fine job as a wingback I'd rather have him in the final third in a free role, as you usually put it creating chaos, than have him constantly looking over his shoulder.
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Who said wingback? It's an MM WF role. I spent an entire draft struggling with restriction to put one together and right now I actually have a pretty good chance of fielding one with most players being perfect for the role. No constraints on improving it going forward (bar Rio/Hargo). Why not? I just like to put together a team I'd like to see play in real life. The problem is whether I'll get another two players I need for it to work.
 
The Red Viper said:
Obviously, Redondo wasn't limited to that as he had great close control which helped him to get out of tight spaces. But his best was when he sat in front of the defence and orchestrated the play. He made some attacking runs here and there but those were mostly one-touch build ups plays to create an opening for the attack. Box-Box midfielders are players like Matthaus or Robson or Vieira. Players who do plenty of off the ball running in attack. Redondo on the other hand likes to have the ball mostly.
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Greedy cnut.
 
There's almost zero chance I can pull this off but love the prospect of it. And, BTW, I don't give a shit about the player stock market.
 
This boy deserves playing in a setup that suits him, and I'll provide it. And while we are at it, let's not forget I also have the original raumdeuter :drool:

Form and new club/manager spastic experiments are temporary, Class is permanent
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01. Annahnomoss - (3. Tardelli) 1. Cocu 2. Gentile 4. Amoros 5. Rossi 6. Gascoigne 7. Scirea 8. Bossis 9. Littbarski
02. Chesterlestreet - (7. Lahm) 1. Mascherano 2. Nedved 3. Neeskens 4. Beckham 5. Henry 6. Júnior, 8. Buchwald 9. G. Neville
03. Joga Bonito - (4. O Ardiles) 1. Keown 2. Baggio 3. Figo 5. Weah 6. Søren Lerby 7. Cafú 8. Koeman 9. De Rossi
04. Raees - (2. Makelele) 1. Morena 3. Socrates 4. Conti 5. Stoichkov 6. Ballack 7. Zanetti, 8. Costacurta 9. Terry
05. antohan - (3. Gerrard) 1. Ljungberg 2. Boniek 4. Effenberg 5. Raul 6. Luis Enrique 7. Hierro 8. T. Silva 9. Ferrara 10. Götze
06. BorisDeLeFora - (7. Bergomi) 1. Zambrotta 2. Tigana 3. Robson 4. Cerezo 5. Del Piero 6. Klinsmann 8. Lucio 9. Popescu 10. Koke
07. ctp - (6. Ribéry) 1. Brolin 2. Lato 3. Xavi 4. Guardiola 5. Shevchenko 7. Kohler 8. Carvalho 9. Kakà 10. Carvajal
08. Skizzo - (7. Brehme) 1. Solskjaer 2. Cabrini 3. Schuster 4. K. Förster 5. Hugo Sanchez 6. Barnes 8. Deschamps 9. McGrain 10. Marquinhos
09. MJJ (Theon) - (4. Dalglish) 1. Di Livio 2. Souness 3. Bochini 5. Rivaldo 6. McGrath 7. Sammer 8. Campbell 9. Totti 10. Ricardo Rodriguez
10. Jayvin - (3. Iniesta) 1. Gallas 2. Vieira 4. Lizarazu 5. Romario 6. Overmars 7. Desailly 8. Blanc 9. Xabi Alonso 10. Hazard
11. Stobzilla - (8. Jugovic) 1. Camoranesi 2. Hansen 3. Davids 4. Balakov 5. Batistuta 6. Irwin 7. Passarella 9. Pires 10. Strootman
12. Aldo - (7. Rio) 1. Senna 2. Hagi 3. Pirlo 4. Schweinsteiger 5. RvN 6. Tresor 8. Camacho 9. Gerets 10. Neymar
13. The Red Viper - (5. Simonsen) 1. Prosinečki 2. Robben 3. Scholes 4. Vidic 6. Eto'o 7. Stam 8. Rui Costa 9. Dunga 10. Rafael Da Silva
14. VivaJanuzaj - (7. Nesta) 1. Francescoli 2. Seedorf 3. Breitner 4. Vierchowod 5. Rummenigge 6. Savicevic 8. Verón 9. Adams 10. Alaba
15. harms - (1. Puyol) 2. Blokhin 3. Falcao 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Bergkamp 6.Bonhof 7. Ruggeri 8. Willy Ortiz 9. Stielike 10. Varane
16. crappycraperson - (7. Cannavaro) 1. Nadal 2. M. Kempes 3. Roy Keane 4. Jan Ceulemans 5. Shearer 6. Prohaska 8. Briegel 9. Ayala 10. Kroos

@Raees
 
The Red Viper said:
Obviously, Redondo wasn't limited to that as he had great close control which helped him to get out of tight spaces. But his best was when he sat in front of the defence and orchestrated the play. He made some attacking runs here and there but those were mostly one-touch build ups plays to create an opening for the attack. Box-Box midfielders are players like Matthaus or Robson or Vieira. Players who do plenty of off the ball running in attack. Redondo on the other hand likes to have the ball mostly.
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Well, that's pretty close to being purely nominal to me. If you think he was at his best orchestrating I wouldn't disagree vehemently with that. By "box-to-box" I personally understand a midfielder who is involved in the play from box to box, as opposed to either a holding midfielder, a so-called deep lying playmaker, a sheer destroyer or a purely attacking midfielder. Redondo was none of the above.

As I said above, it doesn't matter what name we give them - if you want to reserve the "box-to-box" label for something else, that's fine by me. It's being used in different ways as it is. To some a "box-to-box" midfielder has to get into the box (Robbo), to others he needs to cover the area between the boxes as part of his natural game (Redondo).

I prefer the term "allrounder" - and what I want are three such allrounders (midfielders who are proficient both defensively and offensively) in a 4-3-3, as opposed to three specialists (to put it in extreme terms).
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Well, that's pretty close to being purely nominal to me. If you think he was at his best orchestrating I wouldn't disagree vehemently with that. By "box-to-box" I personally understand a midfielder who is involved in the play from box to box, as opposed to either a holding midfielder, a so-called deep lying playmaker, a sheer destroyer or a purely attacking midfielder. Redondo was none of the above.

As I said above, it doesn't matter what name we give them - if you want to reserve the "box-to-box" label for something else, that's fine by me. It's being used in different ways as it is. To some a "box-to-box" midfielder has to get into the box (Robbo), to others he needs to cover the area between the boxes as part of his natural game (Redondo).

I prefer the term "allrounder" - and what I want are three such allrounders (midfielders who are proficient both defensively and offensively) in a 4-3-3, as opposed to three specialists (to put it in extreme terms).
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Yeah, when you define it that way it's easier to see it working. I too prefer all-rounders, very rarely pick specialists in midfield as you end up having your entire tactics defined by that specialist. Some have very good tricks, mind.
 
After seeing the Redondo video and seeing how majestic he was.. big, strong, powerful and highly technical.. I'm going to go for the French equivalent but one who operates slightly further forward, more attacking but might with experience be just as good deeper.

I choose Paul Pogba, the Caf favourite (world cup young player of the tournament winner).

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01. Annahnomoss - (3. Tardelli) 1. Cocu 2. Gentile 4. Amoros 5. Rossi 6. Gascoigne 7. Scirea 8. Bossis 9. Littbarski
02. Chesterlestreet - (7. Lahm) 1. Mascherano 2. Nedved 3. Neeskens 4. Beckham 5. Henry 6. Júnior, 8. Buchwald 9. G. Neville
03. Joga Bonito - (4. O Ardiles) 1. Keown 2. Baggio 3. Figo 5. Weah 6. Søren Lerby 7. Cafú 8. Koeman 9. De Rossi
04. Raees - (2. Makelele) 1. Morena 3. Socrates 4. Conti 5. Stoichkov 6. Ballack 7. Zanetti, 8. Costacurta 9. Terry, 10. Pogba
05. antohan - (3. Gerrard) 1. Ljungberg 2. Boniek 4. Effenberg 5. Raul 6. Luis Enrique 7. Hierro 8. T. Silva 9. Ferrara 10. Götze
06. BorisDeLeFora - (7. Bergomi) 1. Zambrotta 2. Tigana 3. Robson 4. Cerezo 5. Del Piero 6. Klinsmann 8. Lucio 9. Popescu 10. Koke
07. ctp - (6. Ribéry) 1. Brolin 2. Lato 3. Xavi 4. Guardiola 5. Shevchenko 7. Kohler 8. Carvalho 9. Kakà 10. Carvajal
08. Skizzo - (7. Brehme) 1. Solskjaer 2. Cabrini 3. Schuster 4. K. Förster 5. Hugo Sanchez 6. Barnes 8. Deschamps 9. McGrain 10. Marquinhos
09. MJJ (Theon) - (4. Dalglish) 1. Di Livio 2. Souness 3. Bochini 5. Rivaldo 6. McGrath 7. Sammer 8. Campbell 9. Totti 10. Ricardo Rodriguez
10. Jayvin - (3. Iniesta) 1. Gallas 2. Vieira 4. Lizarazu 5. Romario 6. Overmars 7. Desailly 8. Blanc 9. Xabi Alonso 10. Hazard
11. Stobzilla - (8. Jugovic) 1. Camoranesi 2. Hansen 3. Davids 4. Balakov 5. Batistuta 6. Irwin 7. Passarella 9. Pires 10. Strootman
12. Aldo - (7. Rio) 1. Senna 2. Hagi 3. Pirlo 4. Schweinsteiger 5. RvN 6. Tresor 8. Camacho 9. Gerets 10. Neymar
13. The Red Viper - (5. Simonsen) 1. Prosinečki 2. Robben 3. Scholes 4. Vidic 6. Eto'o 7. Stam 8. Rui Costa 9. Dunga 10. Rafael Da Silva
14. VivaJanuzaj - (7. Nesta) 1. Francescoli 2. Seedorf 3. Breitner 4. Vierchowod 5. Rummenigge 6. Savicevic 8. Verón 9. Adams 10. Alaba
15. harms - (1. Puyol) 2. Blokhin 3. Falcao 4. Roberto Carlos 5. Bergkamp 6.Bonhof 7. Ruggeri 8. Willy Ortiz 9. Stielike 10. Varane
16. crappycraperson - (7. Cannavaro) 1. Nadal 2. M. Kempes 3. Roy Keane 4. Jan Ceulemans 5. Shearer 6. Prohaska 8. Briegel 9. Ayala 10. Kroos

@Jogabonito
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Well, that's pretty close to being purely nominal to me. If you think he was at his best orchestrating I wouldn't disagree vehemently with that. By "box-to-box" I personally understand a midfielder who is involved in the play from box to box, as opposed to either a holding midfielder, a so-called deep lying playmaker, a sheer destroyer or a purely attacking midfielder. Redondo was none of the above.

As I said above, it doesn't matter what name we give them - if you want to reserve the "box-to-box" label for something else, that's fine by me. It's being used in different ways as it is. To some a "box-to-box" midfielder has to get into the box (Robbo), to others he needs to cover the area between the boxes as part of his natural game (Redondo).

I prefer the term "allrounder" - and what I want are three such allrounders (midfielders who are proficient both defensively and offensively) in a 4-3-3, as opposed to three specialists (to put it in extreme terms).
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If you meant it that way, then fair enough.
 
Raees said:
I'm glad Anto took Gotze off my hands, I really don't like him much but felt I'd have to pick him over XXXXXXXX purely because he is more proven and likely to pick up more votes off his world cup goal.
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Errr... player names? I thought you would take someone else and Joga would get Pogba tbh.
 
rpitroda said:
It was only a matter of time until he got picked.
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Can't wait for games to turn into ogba threads and "SAFs biggest mistake", etc. The kid is really good but his head isn't right, discarded him quickly on the basis of mentality even if the furious muppet voting he would get was enticing.
 
Can't quite figure out Joga's team. He needs a LB at any rate.

Cafu - Koeman - Keown - LB?

Or is he gunning for a third CB? In theory he could use De Rossi back there for that - but it seems unlikely he would've actively drafted him for that purpose.
 
antohan said:
Can't wait for games to turn into ogba threads and "SAFs biggest mistake", etc. The kid is really good but his head isn't right, discarded him quickly on the basis of mentality even if the furious muppet voting he would get was enticing.
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Fergie may have known a bit more than the muppets. Not in terms of Pogba's talent but in terms of his true relationship with the club he's now employed by. Lots of mud in the water there, they say. I don't think Fergie could've played it very differently - unless he wanted to positively kiss Pogba's arse. And if he had wanted that he wouldn't have been Alex Ferguson. Fact is that his remarkable midfield policy almost worked. Scholes came back, played well, we lost the league on goal difference. And Pogba would've fecked off to Juve regardless of game time. His sob story is largely bollocks - that's my take on it. Could go on to be a truly great player - is probably a bit of an arse. With a major arse of an agent. Not the first time that combo has been seen in the world of football.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Can't quite figure out Joga's team. He needs a LB at any rate.

Cafu - Koeman - Keown - LB?

Or is he gunning for a third CB? In theory he could use De Rossi back there for that - but it seems unlikely he would've actively drafted him for that purpose.
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Strikes me as a 4-2-3-1 tbh, now you mention it De Rossi looks like a knee-jerk to losing Ardiles.
 
Tevezbola and the youth round has definitely evened up the teams a bit I reckon. Good draft so far
 
Raees said:
I assume you mean XXXXXXX? If so I passed on him because I have a few DM's in mind who are stronger and proven - just hope no one else picks them. I was looking at Koke and Pogba.. thankfully for the formation I have in mind, one of them was still available.
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Raees, you shouldn't name players who haven't been picked. It's draft etiquette. Please delete this chap and the winger earlier.

And yes, I meant him. Agree though that with him, Koke and Pogba you had plenty of options. The last thing I needed was a central midfielder though, although this chap I did seriously consider.
 
Raees said:
I assume you mean Jennifer Lawrence? If so I passed on him because I have a few DM's in mind who are stronger and proven - just hope no one else picks them. I was looking at Koke and Pogba.. thankfully for the formation I have in mind, one of them was still available.
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Stop naming players that aren't picked yet! Yes, there is a very small pool of the 90's kids but still
 
Raees said:
I'm glad Anto took Gotze off my hands, I really don't like him much but felt I'd have to pick him over XXXXXXXXXXX purely because he is more proven and likely to pick up more votes off his world cup goal.
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antohan said:
Can't wait for games to turn into ogba threads and "SAFs biggest mistake", etc. The kid is really good but his head isn't right, discarded him quickly on the basis of mentality even if the furious muppet voting he would get was enticing.
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I was actually speaking about Goetze haha. I think he's easily the best pick in this category. Proven more so than others in his age group (bar a select few). With most of these picks you can always argue and see the talent, but with Goetze, you have a player which his performances thus far already back up the hypothesis.
 
Jayvin said:
Tevezbola and the youth round has definitely evened up the teams a bit I reckon. Good draft so far
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Indeed, that's why I don't get people who lose interest after a bad round or two. You should always persist wherever you are in the picking order or whatever disaster strikes. If you are chasing the pack you have no room for mistakes, but you also know everyone else will make one at some point, or someone will take THAT key player off them, etc.
 
rpitroda said:
I was actually speaking about Goetze haha. I think he's easily the best pick in this category. Proven more so than others in his age group (bar a select few). With most of these picks you can always argue and see the talent, but with Goetze, you have a player which his performances thus far already back up the hypothesis.
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But, but, @crappycraperson says his stock is low right now. Oh noes!

Anyone arguing that will get one and only one answer
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