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Why has no one mentioned my favourite moment?

After Jacob Fatu eliminated Joe Hendry, Seamus squares up to him and says something like "why did you do that for? I was enjoying that. Why are you always so angry and mean?" :lol:
 
Spare a thought for those watching main even jey usos entrance right there, through grit teeth and clenched fists :lol:
 
Main event Jey needed 10 minutes to catch his breath after 1 entrance. His Mania match will last about 5 minutes
 
Watching Raw right now. Jey is the most over superstar i've seen in a long time.

Up to the Charlotte promo and I love that everyone is booing her. She clearly expected them to give her sympathy and cheer and as much as she says the boos don't bother her they clearly do, it's not even heal heat, it's go the feck away heat. Hopefully it continues and the higher ups decide she isn't worth keeping around because of it.
On another note, what's up with her face, she looks radically different from what I remember, has she had work done or something?
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Why has no one mentioned my favourite moment?

After Jacob Fatu eliminated Joe Hendry, Seamus squares up to him and says something like "why did you do that for? I was enjoying that. Why are you always so angry and mean?" :lol:
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I loved that moment, think Sheamus said what we were all thinking.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Why has no one mentioned my favourite moment?

After Jacob Fatu eliminated Joe Hendry, Seamus squares up to him and says something like "why did you do that for? I was enjoying that. Why are you always so angry and mean?" :lol:
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My favourite bit was the crowd getting super pumped up when the bell rang for the ladder match, then the camera zoomed in on Owens and he had a completely dissinterested face. Just cracked me up for some reason.

Overall lots of cool moments but the ending to every match was rubbish (although Jay winning depends how it plays out) Women's rumble was fun until Charlotte came in and there was randomly about 5 minutes until the next entrance just so she could have a fireworks display, walk to the ring at about 0.1mph, amd STILL have about 5 spots before anyone else was allowed to enter. Then she won it anyway so what was the point in that? I don't know if they deliberately make her insufferably boring but if they do well done I guess. Even her entrance music is somehow obnoxious
 
Can someone explain the Elimination Chamber to me please? Do the wrestlers fight for the title with the champions in the match or is it like Royal Rumble and the winner gets to pick the champion that is not selected by the Royal Rumble winner?
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Can someone explain the Elimination Chamber to me please? Do the wrestlers fight for the title with the champions in the match or is it like Royal Rumble and the winner gets to pick the champion that is not selected by the Royal Rumble winner?
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It'll probably be a no.1 contender's match for whichever title the rumble winner doesn't go for.

A title is sometimes on the line though. In 2023 the men's match was for the US title, in 2022 it was for the WWE title, in 2021 they had a men's match for each brand, one was for an immediate opportunity at Roman's Universal title, the other was for the WWE title, and in 2020 the men's match was for the SmackDown tag titles.
 
Alex99 said:
It'll probably be a no.1 contender's match for whichever title the rumble winner doesn't go for.

A title is sometimes on the line though. In 2023 the men's match was for the US title, in 2022 it was for the WWE title, in 2021 they had a men's match for each brand, one was for an immediate opportunity at Roman's Universal title, the other was for the WWE title, and in 2020 the men's match was for the SmackDown tag titles.
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Ah so it's flexible. Thanks!
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Very weak argument.

You can put on a great match anyway. Undertaker was hardly as good a pure wrestler as most of the locker room but he was usually the match you looked forward to.

Bell to bell, there is no Jey Uso match from the last year or two that you can show to someone who hasn’t watched it in years as an example of why he’s being pushed.

And you know it’s true. You’re just arguing for the sake of it. Well not even arguing, pretending I’m saying something I’m not so that you can feel superior
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But this is the wrong reasoning for WWE ...
That whole phrase of 'wrestling isnt wrestling' comes to mind. Jey connects to the crowd, ad Raw was a good example of that. Despite the bubble of internet (X and forums), his stock has not plummeted after any matches (including the worst mania match last year vs his brother).

Also im surprised those questioning his story going into Mania. Its the obvious one, hes lost three times to Gunther, recently for the world title (SNME) and before that another title match (IC). Gunhter has his number so Jey is the underdog going into the match (if thats the route they go) which will get the crowd even more behind him.

As far as his matches, wasnt the accusation he only throws moves with S,
Superkick, splash, spear, strike (punch)...
 
I do think its a struggle to see how you get a Mania worthy main event out of Jay winning the rumble, which is the only issue I'd take with it. Willing to see where they go with it.

A fourth Gunther vs Jay match would bore me. Its just the same thing they've done with Gunther before. Gunther vs underdog who wants to prove they can beat him. This is every Gunther match for the last 3 years.

Jay vs Cody is a bit more interesting. If he won it'd be a nice way to give him a pay off, and bring the title back to something that people can actually win if they aren't Cody, Punk(?) or Reigns. Not sure how they build a feud around it but Cody is pretty good at making things like that work.
 
Sylar said:
But this is the wrong reasoning for WWE ...
That whole phrase of 'wrestling isnt wrestling' comes to mind. Jey connects to the crowd, ad Raw was a good example of that. Despite the bubble of internet (X and forums), his stock has not plummeted after any matches (including the worst mania match last year vs his brother).

Also im surprised those questioning his story going into Mania. Its the obvious one, hes lost three times to Gunther, recently for the world title (SNME) and before that another title match (IC). Gunhter has his number so Jey is the underdog going into the match (if thats the route they go) which will get the crowd even more behind him.

As far as his matches, wasnt the accusation he only throws moves with S,
Superkick, splash, spear, strike (punch)...
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That’s what I’d like to know though. Why he is connecting with the crowd. Why he’s so popular. It’s got to be more than just people like his entrence. If he isn’t putting on great matches, how is he compensating for it? Why is it being overlooked…

It’s what I was trying to ask SalfordKid12 yesterday but he was more interested in trying to make me look stupid than actually answer the question
 
Isn't Jey's story simply just Sami's from last year..... Gunther is absolutely right in his promo in that he has absolutely nothing to gain whatsoever, even in winning, from this.

WWE just an engagement farm at this point.
 
Jey winning is basically the equivalent of Enzo or Fandango winning back in the day. Sure, they are/were over, but they don’t need to be main eventers.
 
Minkaro said:
Jey winning is basically the equivalent of Enzo or Fandango winning back in the day. Sure, they are/were over, but they don’t need to be main eventers.
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He's been called main event Jey and they've pushed him. No idea why.
 
noodlehair said:
I do think its a struggle to see how you get a Mania worthy main event out of Jay winning the rumble, which is the only issue I'd take with it. Willing to see where they go with it.

A fourth Gunther vs Jay match would bore me. Its just the same thing they've done with Gunther before. Gunther vs underdog who wants to prove they can beat him. This is every Gunther match for the last 3 years.

Jay vs Cody is a bit more interesting. If he won it'd be a nice way to give him a pay off, and bring the title back to something that people can actually win if they aren't Cody, Punk(?) or Reigns. Not sure how they build a feud around it but Cody is pretty good at making things like that work.
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The "main eventing WrestleMania" bit isn't always a thing, and sometimes when it is, it's not a straight up 1 vs 1. Over half of the winners from the last 15 years haven't main evented WrestleMania in a straight up 1 vs 1.

The 2010, 2011, 2012, 2017, 2018 and 2019 men's rumble winners didn't main event, and in 2014 and 2021 the match ended up a triple threat.

I can see it ending Night 1, but wouldn't be overly surprised if it's an opener or if someone else ends up in the match.
 
The posts above, haha.
The internet really is a bubble :lol:

LawCharltonBest said:
That’s what I’d like to know though. Why he is connecting with the crowd. Why he’s so popular. It’s got to be more than just people like his entrence. If he isn’t putting on great matches, how is he compensating for it? Why is it being overlooked…

It’s what I was trying to ask SalfordKid12 yesterday but he was more interested in trying to make me look stupid than actually answer the question
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Story of breaking away from Roman (and his twin) and going solo (went to a different brand to show hes not just a tag team wrestler (although it was funny that his first title after doing that was the tag titles with Cody). It is a tweaked version of Sami as mentioned above, but also its about timing. His popularity has co-incided with them having a second world title, the long term Roman reign being over and other top stars having their own stories.
But yes, his promos, his catchphrase, his entrance included are catchy.

Forget what people say here or X or wherever similar, he has an aura and coolness factor. His matches are defo not classics (hated his match with Jimmy last year), but they are passable. And yes he might have only three or four moves, but they all have an impact that the crowd react to.

I personally wanted Cena to win and do the whole 'lolCenaWins' thing by beating Gunther (after winning the rumble), going on a typical Cena title reign and then losing it at Summerslam (initially wanted Breaker but the tease with Jacob Fatu was great too)
 
Sylar said:
The posts above, haha.
The internet really is a bubble :lol:


Story of breaking away from Roman (and his twin) and going solo (went to a different brand to show hes not just a tag team wrestler (although it was funny that his first title after doing that was the tag titles with Cody). It is a tweaked version of Sami as mentioned above, but also its about timing. His popularity has co-incided with them having a second world title, the long term Roman reign being over and other top stars having their own stories.
But yes, his promos, his catchphrase, his entrance included are catchy.

Forget what people say here or X or wherever similar, he has an aura and coolness factor. His matches are defo not classics (hated his match with Jimmy last year), but they are passable. And yes he might have only three or four moves, but they all have an impact that the crowd react to.

I personally wanted Cena to win and do the whole 'lolCenaWins' thing by beating Gunther (after winning the rumble), going on a typical Cena title reign and then losing it at Summerslam (initially wanted Breaker but the tease with Jacob Fatu was great too)
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I'll take an average match with heat behind it over a great match for the sake of it any day.

Jey is the hottest guy on the roster right now, and it'll be absolutely mad if he wins at Mania. YEET!
 
Skimmed a bit of RAW on Netflix - it's an absolute mess, like lags and funky glitches (Seth's promo, Punk-Zayn match), I can watch anything else, so seem legit, but how have they not managed to fix that? Can't blame overloading the servers on a live streaming like 20 hours later :lol:
 
Anybody that was here questioning it only needed to watch the opening ten minutes of Raw to understand why they had him win the Rumble. It’s reaction levels up there with Bryan and the Yes movement.

Gunther is absolutely fantastic too. A brilliant heel with a ridiculously good promo last night, actually I would say that’s the best promo he’s ever done. It’s Jey against Gunther, they can’t go any other way now.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
That’s what I’d like to know though. Why he is connecting with the crowd. Why he’s so popular. It’s got to be more than just people like his entrence. If he isn’t putting on great matches, how is he compensating for it? Why is it being overlooked…

It’s what I was trying to ask SalfordKid12 yesterday but he was more interested in trying to make me look stupid than actually answer the question
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He gets very defensive over anyone bloodline adjacent, any perceived criticism is fiercely opposed with strawmen and condescension, best not to engage on that topic.

As for Jey, I get some of his appeal; he was excellent as a supporting character during the bloodline saga, and even managed to make the somewhat forced being in and out and in again switch work, and the close but no cigar booking of his title shots is a classic pro wrestling story because it works, but I just don't see it with him as a top singles guy, especially not as champion. He's got a fun entrance, and a catchphrase, but there's only so long he can go without some significant improvement in the ring or on the mic.
 
The Hilton said:
He gets very defensive over anyone bloodline adjacent, any perceived criticism is fiercely opposed with strawmen and condescension, best not to engage on that topic.

As for Jey, I get some of his appeal; he was excellent as a supporting character during the bloodline saga, and even managed to make the somewhat forced being in and out and in again switch work, and the close but no cigar booking of his title shots is a classic pro wrestling story because it works, but I just don't see it with him as a top singles guy, especially not as champion. He's got a fun entrance, and a catchphrase, but there's only so long he can go without some significant improvement in the ring or on the mic.
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Thank you. Helpful reply.

Yeah same, really can’t see it with him as a top singles guy and surely there’s only so long before he wears out with the crowd (like Kofi, who I believe was also pushed further than he should have been)

Ultimately WWE/HHH have seen something and he knows more about wrestling than I’d ever know if I dedicated the rest of my life to it. I just can’t see it and it’s confusing.

I remember playing one of the classic WWF games with my cousins in their garage-turned games room. And everyone refused to play one of my cousins because he just spammed the same move over and over until he had a finisher, which he then used to win. Jey Uso reminds me of that but in real life
 
Sounds like we’re getting a Roman Punk Rollins triple threat, it was a mistake doing Punk Rollins one on one on Raw rather than at WM, would’ve opened up Roman for someone else
 
GlasgowCeltic said:
Sounds like we’re getting a Roman Punk Rollins triple threat, it was a mistake doing Punk Rollins one on one on Raw rather than at WM, would’ve opened up Roman for someone else
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I still don’t think so. They’re just selling the chamber match.

Punk v Cody
Reigns v Roman

Triple threat match would be so pointless and a waste (if the title was on the line though it’d be great).
 
Berbasbullet said:
I still don’t think so. They’re just selling the chamber match.

Punk v Cody
Reigns v Roman

Triple threat match would be so pointless and a waste (if the title was on the line though it’d be great).
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Roman's fighting himself?
 
Alex99 said:
Roman's fighting himself?
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:lol: whoops! V Seth

I saw a decent theory that Reigns doesn’t make chamber as selling injuries and it ends with Punk and Rollins. Punk cashes in his favour and Reigns destroys Seth, and Punk wins. Which I quite like to be fair.
 
Berbasbullet said:
I still don’t think so. They’re just selling the chamber match.

Punk v Cody
Reigns v Roman

Triple threat match would be so pointless and a waste (if the title was on the line though it’d be great).
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What about if it's a triple threat night 1 and the winner faces Cody night 2?

But more realistic is Seth and Roman kill each other at EC and Punk pins them both at the same time.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
What about if it's a triple threat night 1 and the winner faces Cody night 2?

But more realistic is Seth and Roman kill each other at EC and Punk pins them both at the same time.
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Yeah that could work I suppose, but convoluted (mind you so was last year :lol:).

Yeah that is likely.

I could see Logan eliminating Cena to start their feud as well.
 
Berbasbullet said:
:lol: whoops! V Seth

I saw a decent theory that Reigns doesn’t make chamber as selling injuries and it ends with Punk and Rollins. Punk cashes in his favour and Reigns destroys Seth, and Punk wins. Which I quite like to be fair.
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I saw a video saying Roman won't make any appearances in February.
 
Zen said:
Skimmed a bit of RAW on Netflix - it's an absolute mess, like lags and funky glitches (Seth's promo, Punk-Zayn match), I can watch anything else, so seem legit, but how have they not managed to fix that? Can't blame overloading the servers on a live streaming like 20 hours later :lol:
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Same with me. It was the same for the Tyson vs Jake Paul fight too.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
That’s what I’d like to know though. Why he is connecting with the crowd. Why he’s so popular. It’s got to be more than just people like his entrence. If he isn’t putting on great matches, how is he compensating for it? Why is it being overlooked…

It’s what I was trying to ask SalfordKid12 yesterday but he was more interested in trying to make me look stupid than actually answer the question
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I got back into wrestling last year after seeing people loving the bloodline story where Jey really shined. My algorithm then seemed to be Jey videos with hundreds of thousands of likes of him breaking character, his promos and a snippet of his matches. All of which had more views and likes than anything else it seemed. As just a tiktok watcher of WWE, I found Jey entertaining without even seeing a match of his.

I went to a couple of live shows and Jey was by far the most over. I don't remember his match Vs Drew at all but I remember the crowd absolutely buzzing. I've been to events since WCW was at the royal Albert hall in the mid 90s and not much has topped the pop Jey got.

Now my kids have started to get into it and they've both just veered towards Jey. They were ecstatic he won and they've only been fans for about 3 months and only really into it for about a month. I don't know why they love him so much other than "he's really cool". Sometimes you just capture lightning in a bottle and no one knows why or how and that's probably Jey Uso.

But, hey my favourite wrestler as a kid was the Ultimate Warrior, it was only until I was older did I realise how shite he was as a wrestler.
 
Alex99 said:
The "main eventing WrestleMania" bit isn't always a thing, and sometimes when it is, it's not a straight up 1 vs 1. Over half of the winners from the last 15 years haven't main evented WrestleMania in a straight up 1 vs 1.

The 2010, 2011, 2012, 2017, 2018 and 2019 men's rumble winners didn't main event, and in 2014 and 2021 the match ended up a triple threat.

I can see it ending Night 1, but wouldn't be overly surprised if it's an opener or if someone else ends up in the match.
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I'm aware of that, but when you have someone win the rumble the point is to build it into something worthwhile at Mania, and I'm just interested how they will do that.

We've had Gunther vs Jay multiple times in forgettable matches, and they did the whole underdog loses to Gunther then comes back to beat him at Mania angle just last year with Sami, and it was underwhelming the first time. The main thing to come from it was freeing up Gunther from the IC.

Jay vs Cody is new but I would think extremely unlikely. I also don't see who they add in either way. It'd be a waste of all the bigger hitters. Maybe Drew?

I haven't watched Raw yet, mind. My main disappointment from the rumble was Owens losing clean and Sami not even really getting involved. They just super heroed up Cody yet again and it's boring when the champion isn't allowed to be vulnerable
 
Not sure where Orton is but I thought/hoped the Cody Owen’s stuff would lead to Cody Orton, then could’ve had Punk Rollins, Cena Gunther and Roman Drew, what I’m saying is i should be booking WM
 
noodlehair said:
I'm aware of that, but when you have someone win the rumble the point is to build it into something worthwhile at Mania, and I'm just interested how they will do that.

We've had Gunther vs Jay multiple times in forgettable matches, and they did the whole underdog loses to Gunther then comes back to beat him at Mania angle just last year with Sami, and it was underwhelming the first time. The main thing to come from it was freeing up Gunther from the IC.

Jay vs Cody is new but I would think extremely unlikely. I also don't see who they add in either way. It'd be a waste of all the bigger hitters. Maybe Drew?

I haven't watched Raw yet, mind. My main disappointment from the rumble was Owens losing clean and Sami not even really getting involved. They just super heroed up Cody yet again and it's boring when the champion isn't allowed to be vulnerable
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I'm a firm believer that Gunther should have dropped the title a while back, whether that was back to Priest during their brief feud, or to Sami in a "he just has his number" sort of way.

The hole they've dug is that they've had two lengthy world title reigns, but have Punk, Roman, Drew, Seth and arguably Kevin as World Title level guys just treading water around them, as well as Cena being back and a handful of other guys like Sami, Priest, AJ and LA Knight that are also main event ready. Jey getting as over as he is has just thrown a bit of a spanner in the works, but I can't blame them for striking while the iron is hot. If he wins, I can't see it being a long reign.

It is a bit recycled, but ultimately they've cashed in on Jey's popularity.

I think Kevin should have won at SNME, to be honest. A bit of vulnerability wouldn't have hurt Cody, and they could have easily reversed the "Kevin won't exploit the injury" bit by having Cody hesitate to use the chair, only to have it used on him. I've enjoyed Cody's run for the most part, but he is a bit too perfect.
 
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