Television The Professional Grappling Thread

You don't need to be the best wrestler to be massively over. Wrestling is more than technical ability.

Look at The Ultimate Warrior, Goldberg, Hogan. People like who they like. It's the promoters job to make sure those wrestlers are elevated.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Forward to any point in one of his matches and play. The first thing he’ll do is a superkick. If you like his entrances and merch, fine. But not what I’m talking about. I want to see wrestlers put on good matches.
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LawCharltonBest said:
That’s what I’d like to know though. Why he is connecting with the crowd. Why he’s so popular. It’s got to be more than just people like his entrence. If he isn’t putting on great matches, how is he compensating for it? Why is it being overlooked…

It’s what I was trying to ask SalfordKid12 yesterday but he was more interested in trying to make me look stupid than actually answer the question
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Fantastic bazinga, changing my username, but yes I'm trying to make you look stupid...

I feel like you're moving goal posts. You kept going back to superkicks(which at no point did I agree or disagree, had nothing to do with anything I was saying), going as far as to lie about what you've seen on YouTube, and flat out said you didn't care about anything else you just want to see good matches.

Now it's, you want to understand why he's so over? This actually started because you doubled down on Kofi Kingston and alluded jey uso would be a worse champion. I'm not going to go through your posts because in all honestly I don't care, but you didn't ask that question once to me or anyone so don't make out like you did.
 
Anywho, any Aussies by tickets to GrandSlam?

Am I gaslighting myself in believing it was originally marketed as a ppv (and the ticket prices reflected as such)?

I'll be very wary of buying tickets for forbidden door in the UK if that's the case. Seems a really bizarre situation.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Anywho, any Aussies by tickets to GrandSlam?

Am I gaslighting myself in believing it was originally marketed as a ppv (and the ticket prices reflected as such)?

I'll be very wary of buying tickets for forbidden door in the UK if that's the case. Seems a really bizarre situation.
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It was absolutely marketed as a PPV level event. There are people have paid hundreds for ringside seats.

They then sold just a fraction of the tickets for the stadium they'd booked so moved it to an arena in a completely different part of the city, and have now announced that it's a a TV "special" airing on tape-delay in a worse timeslot than Collision usually has.
 
Alex99 said:
It was absolutely marketed as a PPV level event. There are people have paid hundreds for ringside seats.

They then sold just a fraction of the tickets for the stadium they'd booked so moved it to an arena in a completely different part of the city, and have now announced that it's a a TV "special" airing on tape-delay in a worse timeslot than Collision usually has.
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Can't imagine they'll be running a show in aus for a long, long time after this.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Can't imagine they'll be running a show in aus for a long, long time after this.
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WWE don't even go there that often.

Elimination Chamber last year was the first time they'd been there in five years.
 
Alex99 said:
WWE don't even go there that often.

Elimination Chamber last year was the first time they'd been there in five years.
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Supershowdown felt a lot more recent than 2018 to me. I don't remember anything from the main event.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
flat out said you didn't care about anything else you just want to see good matches.

you doubled down on Kofi Kingston and alluded jey uso would be a worse champion.
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The first part is incorrect. You’re just taking what I said and exaggerating. A theme of yours.

Doubled down on Kofi… that he was a poor champion? Of course he was. He offered nothing when he held the belt. Did he have one good match? Has he been in the title picture since he lost it? He didn’t even get a rematch. Suggests to me that WWE wanted him far away from the title scene.

Uso will obviously win the title at mania barring injury. Will it be remembered in 5 years as a great title run with great matches and Uso as a great champion? I very highly doubt it

Then you’re asking me to admit I’m wrong. About what? About my opinion? I think many would say the Kofi experiment was poor
 
LawCharltonBest said:
The first part is incorrect. You’re just taking what I said and exaggerating. A theme of yours.

Doubled down on Kofi… that he was a poor champion? Of course he was. He offered nothing when he held the belt. Did he have one good match? Has he been in the title picture since he lost it? He didn’t even get a rematch. Suggests to me that WWE wanted him far away from the title scene.

Uso will obviously win the title at mania barring injury. Will it be remembered in 5 years as a great title run with great matches and Uso as a great champion? I very highly doubt it

Then you’re asking me to admit I’m wrong. About what? About my opinion? I think many would say the Kofi experiment was poor
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Yet to be seen if it will be a great title run if he wins it. Will it be a great and memorable moment that people look back on? I highly expect it will.

On Kofi, the run wasn’t great but the story up to winning it and the moment of winning it was definitely up there and very memorable. Also best to remember who was in charge at the time that Kofi got his title reign.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
The first part is incorrect. You’re just taking what I said and exaggerating. A theme of yours.

Doubled down on Kofi… that he was a poor champion? Of course he was. He offered nothing when he held the belt. Did he have one good match? Has he been in the title picture since he lost it? He didn’t even get a rematch. Suggests to me that WWE wanted him far away from the title scene.

Uso will obviously win the title at mania barring injury. Will it be remembered in 5 years as a great title run with great matches and Uso as a great champion? I very highly doubt it

Then you’re asking me to admit I’m wrong. About what? About my opinion? I think many would say the Kofi experiment was poor
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Senile Vince was in charge for kofi's run if it was bad it was because Vince couldn't see past Brock being the champion
 
LawCharltonBest said:
The first part is incorrect. You’re just taking what I said and exaggerating. A theme of yours.

Doubled down on Kofi… that he was a poor champion? Of course he was. He offered nothing when he held the belt. Did he have one good match? Has he been in the title picture since he lost it? He didn’t even get a rematch. Suggests to me that WWE wanted him far away from the title scene.

Uso will obviously win the title at mania barring injury. Will it be remembered in 5 years as a great title run with great matches and Uso as a great champion? I very highly doubt it

Then you’re asking me to admit I’m wrong. About what? About my opinion? I think many would say the Kofi experiment was poor
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By WWE, do you mean Vince?

Kofimania was great.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
The first part is incorrect. You’re just taking what I said and exaggerating. A theme of yours.

Doubled down on Kofi… that he was a poor champion? Of course he was. He offered nothing when he held the belt. Did he have one good match? Has he been in the title picture since he lost it? He didn’t even get a rematch. Suggests to me that WWE wanted him far away from the title scene.

Uso will obviously win the title at mania barring injury. Will it be remembered in 5 years as a great title run with great matches and Uso as a great champion? I very highly doubt it

Then you’re asking me to admit I’m wrong. About what? About my opinion? I think many would say the Kofi experiment was poor
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Mankind is a very memorable champion, but his reigns lasted 20 days (one successful defense via DQ), 15 days (one successful defense via draw), and a single day (obviously no successful defenses).

Kofimania was great. For babyfaces it's very often about the journey there, rather than what happens after.
 
Alex99 said:
I'm a firm believer that Gunther should have dropped the title a while back, whether that was back to Priest during their brief feud, or to Sami in a "he just has his number" sort of way.

The hole they've dug is that they've had two lengthy world title reigns, but have Punk, Roman, Drew, Seth and arguably Kevin as World Title level guys just treading water around them, as well as Cena being back and a handful of other guys like Sami, Priest, AJ and LA Knight that are also main event ready. Jey getting as over as he is has just thrown a bit of a spanner in the works, but I can't blame them for striking while the iron is hot. If he wins, I can't see it being a long reign.

It is a bit recycled, but ultimately they've cashed in on Jey's popularity.

I think Kevin should have won at SNME, to be honest. A bit of vulnerability wouldn't have hurt Cody, and they could have easily reversed the "Kevin won't exploit the injury" bit by having Cody hesitate to use the chair, only to have it used on him. I've enjoyed Cody's run for the most part, but he is a bit too perfect.
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Yeah. I guess they could throw a swerve and have Gubther lose to someone at EC as well, but most likely it's Gunther vs Jay. No issue with them cashing in on Jay. I don't quite get why he's so popular but he is at the moment and giving that a pay off makes sense.

I don't mind Cody either. He puts on good matches, takes big bumps and is really good on the mic. I just don't like that he's untouchable to the point he's gone a whole year with not a single title defence you'd ever believe he'd lose.
 
noodlehair said:
Yeah. I guess they could throw a swerve and have Gubther lose to someone at EC as well, but most likely it's Gunther vs Jay. No issue with them cashing in on Jay. I don't quite get why he's so popular but he is at the moment and giving that a pay off makes sense.

I don't mind Cody either. He puts on good matches, takes big bumps and is really good on the mic. I just don't like that he's untouchable to the point he's gone a whole year with not a single title defence you'd ever believe he'd lose.
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They booked themselves into a hole with Roman/Cody. You cant have Roman hold the title for nearly 4 years, and then have the guy that beat him lose in less than a year, most likely to someone who Roman beat anyway.

They need Cody to drop the belt to a wildcard, like a Punk, who Roman never faced, but its believable that they can then lose to someone else (Seth, Owens etc) because its a guaranteed new feud. Then you can get back to 4-6 month reigns rather than be guaranteed year long reigns because the champ needs credibility
 
I want Cena to come up short in all these free ticket ride matches, split eliminations here with Logan, lose to Logan at WM, then come up short again at MITB... and drop a promo where he "gives up" and is now doing it for the fun of it via John Cena Farewell Tour Open Challenge in which he goes on a winning streak, actually earning a title shot and wins 17(which Cody has lost by now) - whether he retires with the title or continues into the next WM is another thing.... not that it matters, we all know he's winning against Cody.
 
EvilChuck said:
They booked themselves into a hole with Roman/Cody. You cant have Roman hold the title for nearly 4 years, and then have the guy that beat him lose in less than a year, most likely to someone who Roman beat anyway.

They need Cody to drop the belt to a wildcard, like a Punk, who Roman never faced, but its believable that they can then lose to someone else (Seth, Owens etc) because its a guaranteed new feud. Then you can get back to 4-6 month reigns rather than be guaranteed year long reigns because the champ needs credibility
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Yeah completwly agree but I think there are ways out of that too. They can stack the odds against him and/or have him not lose clean. Have the establishment end up against him, etc. All tricks they've used in the past to make sure the top face is still the underdog or at least not the 100% favourite to win every match.

They could have done it in the Owens match for example by having Sami interfere and end up helping Owens inadvertently or otherwise. There was never any believing they'd do it though as they seem scared to let Cody lose a match....and then kind of like with Reigns once they've invincibled him enough times it's starts becoming impossible to let him drop the title without it being via some mega grand crazy scenario.
 
I looked into this years after because of 2 things:

Heels TV show - which I thought was brilliant and also because it was plastered all over Netflix not long after and I've just been enjoying the silliness. :lol:

I had no idea there were serious conversations and even debates about it on here! I don't think I'll get properly into it, and I don't necessarily get all of it (like why they're different "shows" i.e. RAW, Smackdown, NXT, any others) but it's definitely great mindless fun, and the athletic feats of these huge humans are seriously impressive.
Props to the announcers, as they are a big part of what makes it fun.

Do lines blur between reality and theatre in the storylines like in Heels?

I remember CM Punk tried his hand at MMA and got embarrassed. Was there a fall out when he returned? Did he lose any cred?

Were Tyson Fury and Logan Paul any good?

And just seeing the convos on here, what makes an actual good wrestler?

Edit: why the obscure name?
 
Glorio said:
I looked into this years after because of 2 things:

Heels TV show - which I thought was brilliant and also because it was plastered all over Netflix not long after and I've just been enjoying the silliness. :lol:

I had no idea there were serious conversations and even debates about it on here! I don't think I'll get properly into it, and I don't necessarily get all of it (like why they're different "shows" i.e. RAW, Smackdown, NXT, any others) but it's definitely great mindless fun, and the athletic feats of these huge humans are seriously impressive.
Props to the announcers, as they are a big part of what makes it fun.

Do lines blur between reality and theatre in the storylines like in Heels?

I remember CM Punk tried his hand at MMA and got embarrassed. Was there a fall out when he returned? Did he lose any cred?

Were Tyson Fury and Logan Paul any good?

And just seeing the convos on here, what makes an actual good wrestler?

Edit: why the obscure name?
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Lines can blue but usually with input from both sides.

I mean, there can be fall out from outside things, more so when Vince was in charge aa he waa very bitter and twisted.

Logan Paul is a great wrestler, but horrible human.

What makes a good wrestler is debateable as different people have different ways of looking at it.

The name used to be The Pro Graps Thread. Professional grappling for long. It evolved over time.
 
Glorio said:
I looked into this years after because of 2 things:

Heels TV show - which I thought was brilliant and also because it was plastered all over Netflix not long after and I've just been enjoying the silliness. :lol:

I had no idea there were serious conversations and even debates about it on here! I don't think I'll get properly into it, and I don't necessarily get all of it (like why they're different "shows" i.e. RAW, Smackdown, NXT, any others) but it's definitely great mindless fun, and the athletic feats of these huge humans are seriously impressive.
Props to the announcers, as they are a big part of what makes it fun.

Do lines blur between reality and theatre in the storylines like in Heels?

I remember CM Punk tried his hand at MMA and got embarrassed. Was there a fall out when he returned? Did he lose any cred?

Were Tyson Fury and Logan Paul any good?

And just seeing the convos on here, what makes an actual good wrestler?

Edit: why the obscure name?
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NXT is the developmental show. It's a mix of people who haven't been wrestling long or have never wrestled before and new signings from other companies learning the style and integrating themselves. You'll often see established stars 'go down' to NXT but that's either to help out the younger talent or rework their character.

Raw and Smackdown are the main roster shows, they basically split it in two because they had too big a roster to feature everyone. There is no real difference in terms of style or presentation.
 
Toni storm is a GOAT. Remember people on here were arguing with me Raquel would be a better bet as a star.
 
Schmiznurf said:
Lines can blue but usually with input from both sides.

I mean, there can be fall out from outside things, more so when Vince was in charge aa he waa very bitter and twisted.

Logan Paul is a great wrestler, but horrible human.

What makes a good wrestler is debateable as different people have different ways of looking at it.

The name used to be The Pro Graps Thread. Professional grappling for long. It evolved over time.
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Mystry said:
NXT is the developmental show. It's a mix of people who haven't been wrestling long or have never wrestled before and new signings from other companies learning the style and integrating themselves. You'll often see established stars 'go down' to NXT but that's either to help out the younger talent or rework their character.

Raw and Smackdown are the main roster shows, they basically split it in two because they had too big a roster to feature everyone. There is no real difference in terms of style or presentation.
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Thanks both!
 
Sylar said:
Toni storm is a GOAT. Remember people on here were arguing with me Raquel would be a better bet as a star.
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See this is what I'm trying to get. How did you know?

Is that charisma, being able to sell it, skill, abnormal strength (e.g. Bianca with the pony tail seems to be able to lift a lot more than one would expect from the few matches I've watched), mic skills? A mix of all?

Also, looking at his body, how does someone like Kevin Owens get himself to be taken seriously as a wrestler, as he definitely appears to be a big deal!
 
unchanged_lineup said:
I haven't watched many of her matches, but the ones I've seen, she's been painfully pedestrian. Is that typical or is she better than that?
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She has some good matches for sure, but personally I wouldn't say her in-ring work is as good as her recent character work (but then again that is top tier). Her average matches on TV do tend to be a little average and predictable imo, but she can definitely take it up a notch for the big ones. One that sticks in my memory was her vs Jamie Hayter a couple of years ago (forget which PPV now), it felt like a proper brawl.
Glorio said:
See this is what I'm trying to get. How did you know?

Is that charisma, being able to sell it, skill, abnormal strength (e.g. Bianca with the pony tail seems to be able to lift a lot more than one would expect from the few matches I've watched), mic skills? A mix of all?

Also, looking at his body, how does someone like Kevin Owens get himself to be taken seriously as a wrestler, as he definitely appears to be a big deal!
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I think it's got to be a mix. You can hide weak spots to a certain extent by teaming up with someone who makes up for them (managers for mic work, tag team partners for in-ring work), but that only works to a certain extent. And like humans in general, there's just a likeability thing that's hard to put your finger on.

I don't personally think not having a body builder physique makes a wrestler less believable. Tyson Fury doesn't exactly look like Arnie, but I wouldn't want to fight him. Most UFC fighters don't look all muscley.
 
Turnip said:
I don't personally think not having a body builder physique makes a wrestler less believable. Tyson Fury doesn't exactly look like Arnie, but I wouldn't want to fight him. Most UFC fighters don't look all muscley.
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You're 100% right. The guy above is one of the best LW fighters in the world and ex champion. You wouldn't believe it looking at him outside the promotion :lol:
 
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Glorio said:
See this is what I'm trying to get. How did you know?

Is that charisma, being able to sell it, skill, abnormal strength (e.g. Bianca with the pony tail seems to be able to lift a lot more than one would expect from the few matches I've watched), mic skills? A mix of all?

Also, looking at his body, how does someone like Kevin Owens get himself to be taken seriously as a wrestler, as he definitely appears to be a big deal!
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For me it was an assumption based on her look, her style, her matches, and thought she would have a good connection with the crowd

It did take her going to another company though and going in a complete different direction.
Also always loved storm zero as a finisher. Enjoyed her matches with rhea in nxt UK too
 
Also love that it's another city that jey starts the show off with and the crowd go crazy for him and want an encore of his entrance :lol:
 
Sylar said:
For me it was an assumption based on her look, her style, her matches, and thought she would have a good connection with the crowd

It did take her going to another company though and going in a complete different direction.
Also always loved storm zero as a finisher. Enjoyed her matches with rhea in nxt UK too
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Toni Storm and Mariah May are both great, the longer they can keep this going the longer they can avoid being fed to Mercedes
 
Quite a few releases the past 2 days:
Cedric Alexander
AOP
Paul Ellering
Sonya Deville
Blair Davenport
Isla Dawn
Luke Gallows
Karl Anderson
Giovanni Vinci
 
Can't wait for good brothers to sign for TNA and win the the NXT tag titles. Grifters gonna grift.
 
Schmiznurf said:
Quite a few releases the past 2 days:
Cedric Alexander
AOP
Paul Ellering
Sonya Deville
Blair Davenport
Isla Dawn
Luke Gallows
Karl Anderson
Giovanni Vinci
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Surprised to see Sonya’s name on their when she’s been on a few shows and was competing in the RR recently.

The rest not really surprised to see gone. Cedric Alexander is a blast from the past, surprised to see he was still on the books. Thought he had been let go ages ago.
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Surprised to see Sonya’s name on their when she’s been on a few shows and was competing in the RR recently.

The rest not really surprised to see gone. Cedric Alexander is a blast from the past, surprised to see he was still on the books. Thought he had been let go ages ago.
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Cedric has been on NXT
 
New Day's entrance theme and vignette on Raw made me laugh and I'm not even sure it was meant to. They're just having fun with it and it probably won't go anywhere but I'm all for it.
 
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