That was about as enjoyable as watching one of his teams play.
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He is really delusional. Loves to blow his own trumpet too. Not a surprise that he failed here miserably.
The best part was hanging on to the hope of signing Fab and Bale without a back-up plan when he seemed aware that the squad needed reinforcements. And he needed Fellaini because of clubs like Stoke?
Alex got time because he was coming to a club who hadn't won a title in decades, you were made the manager of one of the top 4 clubs in the world at that moment, but of course he doesn't get it...Jesus, listening to him was annoying.
The best part was hanging on to the hope of signing Fab and Bale without a back-up plan when he seemed aware that the squad needed reinforcements. And he needed Fellaini because of clubs like Stoke?
Alex got time because he was coming to a club who hadn't won a title in decades, you were made the manager of one of the top 4 clubs in the world at that moment, but of course he doesn't get it...Jesus, listening to him was annoying.
Fellaini wasn't even a back-up he always wanted him. But we missed signing him for his cheaper release clause because Dave didn't want him to be burdened with the pressure of being his first signing at United.
Which makes his quote there an even more laughable thing to have said.
They were as we were bidding for both relatively early in the window. But as I remember Baines while open to the move wouldn't kick up a fuss and United didn't want to pay the asking price.
He didn't have a clue which club he was managing. Another time before the CL quarter final in Germany he conducted his training session in a public park.
Yeah agreed, it's an admission that make both him and the club look naive at best.
I laughed at him pointing out that the quarter-final of the Champions League he achieved still being the furthest the club has got in the competition since Ferguson. He's not wrong.
Moyseh!
Only thing I was hoping they’d ask is how he prepped against Utd last season so I’m glad Gary asked that. Wasn’t the most interesting answer though.
Harsh. The club was structured fine for what we had and worked very efficiently. You structure your club around your people. And ours was structured successfully. Once Sir Alex and Gill left, yes it was a mess because the replacements were incapable of doing those roles like they were previously. Doesn't make it a mess, and certainly no blame at Gill or Sir Alex. Not their job to strip away their own duties because their successors might not be able to handle things nor is their any logic in that.
Well that's when the rot kicked it. So I would. Plus, they were PL holders at the time.
The rot kicked in when the club hired David Moyes to replace Alex Ferguson. Despite the fact he had no business managing a top club.
Though it's interesting to see that the culture of blaming the players for a managers failings stretches back that far. Especially when you consider the majority of that squad won the club multiple titles.
No matter how Moyes tries to slice the cake, the end result will always be the same. He was a fecking crap manager for Utd and started the decline. End of!
Reminder of the dark times under Moyes. Thank god we moved on from him quickly and became successful again
Seems harsh, started the decline? How long was here there for, 9 months? Spent very little, other managers surely did a lot more damage, none more than probably Ten Hag. In reality though, got to look at how the club has been run from the highest level as every manager seemed to have similar issues. I know ye won the league in Fergie's last year, but that team was in need of an overhaul, made what Ferguson did in his last season even more impressive.
Moyes is far from a crap manager and has proven that.
It isn’t. Firstly, Gill didn’t adequately prepare for the eventuality of Ferguson retiring. Strange considering how many 70 year olds drop down dead at a moment’s notice. The scouting network was worse than Everton’s. Moyes said as much and I see no reason why he would make that up. It was basically Ferguson’s brother and a few guys underneath him. The academy was a shitshow - well documented at the time and addressed in the years since. The club didn’t even have a Twitter account in 2013. Trivial, granted, but the club was miles behind off the field on an all manner of fronts - kept together by a huge Alex Ferguson-sized plaster.
I’m not going to sit here and defend Ed Woodward. What I will say (with complete confidence) is that we’d have been in the same position we were under him had Gill stayed on above Moyes instead.
People still have a hard time accepting this because it’s easier to point the finger at people they dislike.
I never said Moyes is a crap manager. I said Moyes was a crap manager for Utd. Your looking if from a Liverpool fan, so will never get it. When Fergie retired, we needed a strong personality to come in and make the changes to a declining team (like you mentioned). Moyes was too scared to do that, which he admits
I've always thought the same if he'd have come in and got rid of a few established names early Rio, Vida, Rooney and maybe 1 or 2 others I think he'd have got a lot more freedom, his biggest failing was not see that needed to be done despite winning the league the year before
The part when Jill was asking "why don't the managers get enough time?" Was eye-rolling. All the managers (except Moyes) got more time than most big clubs would have given them (and more money to spend to)
He needs to clarify if Zaha was actually dating his daughter or not. That'd be interesting and new at least.
His first moves as manager were to replace the existing backroom team with his mates from Everton, and torpedo our summer transfer targets to instead pursue Baines and Fellaini, only succeeding with one. We literally wasted a season when we should have been starting the overhaul you mentioned.
I maintain that we were ready to sign Herrera and Shaw that summer (instead of the following), but he substituted them for his own targets, while also failing to bring in Bale and Fabregas. It's also forgotten that Rooney was supposed to be on his way out, and Moyes instead gave him a new, long-term contract, and that Mata was a player we broke our transfer record for, that we didn't need, and that Moyes didn't know how to use anyway.
It was an absolutely disastrous start to the post-Fergie era, and Moyes played a massive part in that.
I think Zaha said it wasn't true
They were massive on Myspace and Bebo though!
I also think Zaha's problem was that he simply wasn't ready for a "big club".
Wasn't there a report from the following season's summer tour about an "optional" training session, and Zaha was the only player who didn't turn up? And then later on, after the season had started, he thought he'd been training well, then van Gaal pulled him aside and basically told him he was on his last chance to impress?
Of course he said that
What?
"If only Fabregas hadn't started that match"
Moyes was being strung along, that's about it. Fabregas was never leaving Barcelona that summer.
Meanwhile, he wasn't sure about bringing Thiago Alcantara in, someone Fergie was desperate for us to sign, because he hadn't had the opportunity to scout him.
He also thought we had a chance at bringing in Bale, despite it being the worst kept secret of all summer that he had an agreement with Real Madrid and it was simply a matter of agreeing on a deal with Tottenham, and kept insisting that we should pursue a deal because of how massive it would be to sign him.
His cluelessness was only matched by Woodward
Moyes was being strung along, that's about it. Fabregas was never leaving Barcelona that summer.
Meanwhile, he wasn't sure about bringing Thiago Alcantara in, someone Fergie was desperate for us to sign, because he hadn't had the opportunity to scout him.
He also thought we had a chance at bringing in Bale, despite it being the worst kept secret of all summer that he had an agreement with Real Madrid and it was simply a matter of agreeing on a deal with Tottenham, and kept insisting that we should pursue a deal because of how massive it would be to sign him.
His cluelessness was only matched by Woodward
When you listen to him, he almost said it was his fault really. He likes the manager to buy players so, the club were relying on him to scout players and let the club know who to get.
How can you go with the 2 most unrealistic signings without having a backup, that is just naïve.
Didn’t Ole get us to the quarter finals of the Champions League as well?
Either way, they shouldn’t have talked about getting that far as an achievement.
Either way, they shouldn’t have talked about getting that far as an achievement.
Yep. Then Wrighty joined in on the “they don’t get enough time” narrative. I thought they were smarter than that. We’ve given more time to our managers than any big club in Europe.
He did. Moyesy is deluded.
The idea managers don't get time here is ludicrous.
ETH would have probably been sacked about 9 or 10 months earlier at most other big clubs
ETH would have probably been sacked about 9 or 10 months earlier at most other big clubs
If Moyes was given us much time as Mourinho, Ole or ETH then we would be in an even worse state than we are now.
Hodgson has also been a decent manager over the course of his career, I'm sure you'd have the same affection when referring to his time at Liverpool.
It's easy for managers to cry about not getting enough time, because they're only thinking about their own interests.
I suspect their tune would quickly change if they actually owned a football club and had millions of quid on the line.
I suspect their tune would quickly change if they actually owned a football club and had millions of quid on the line.
It is quite interesting that Keane and Neville keep saying on the Overlap about giving 2/3 years but were saying things like Ten Hag has to go in his second season...
Just look at Salford, they have gone through a few managers there.
Moyes just did not understand the gig, the job was too big for him.
Looking back now, he's probably done the least damage.
I sympathise with him in the sense he was given the impossible job. He should have managed to eke out one more competitive season out of that lot, but that's past now. On top of that, I don't think he has ever came to grips with the sheer size of the club. 10 years later and he still seems to be in awe of the club and the players at the time.
His smaller club mentality really came through in the talk about Bale and Fabregas. To me, this is equally damning on Woodward, who basically watched us sit pretty waiting for something that would never come.
As of now, I find it hard to blame any of our previous managers. The job is cursed. The blame lies with the Glazers and Woodward, whose sheer incompetence oversaw all that took place over those years, with one bad decision following another.
Post Moyes, we've just gone from bad to worse, with conflicting managerial appointments, frankenstein teams, overpaid toxic divas(players), etc. We're a mess on repeat.
I sympathise with him in the sense he was given the impossible job. He should have managed to eke out one more competitive season out of that lot, but that's past now. On top of that, I don't think he has ever came to grips with the sheer size of the club. 10 years later and he still seems to be in awe of the club and the players at the time.
His smaller club mentality really came through in the talk about Bale and Fabregas. To me, this is equally damning on Woodward, who basically watched us sit pretty waiting for something that would never come.
As of now, I find it hard to blame any of our previous managers. The job is cursed. The blame lies with the Glazers and Woodward, whose sheer incompetence oversaw all that took place over those years, with one bad decision following another.
Post Moyes, we've just gone from bad to worse, with conflicting managerial appointments, frankenstein teams, overpaid toxic divas(players), etc. We're a mess on repeat.
Jill Scott brought that up. Fecking clueless, we must be the most patient club in Europe
For almost 20 years we never finished outside the top 3. Moyes turns up to take over the league champions and we ended up 6th. Woodward done the most damage to us over the 8/9 year period he was in charge but it was Moyes who started the rot, no doubt about that.