The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

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Not sure we will do No. 5. If we are miles out at Christmas it could happen then, but who apart from Zidane could we get and I am not sure he is a miracle worker. We might have to wait until the summer and that could depend on if he gets the Top 4.

Can you really see us getting a top 4 finish with these stats and playing the way we are now. We have used more players than any other team so far, and his excuse is tiredness. After 6 bloody games.

Sorry if i sound annoyed, but it's just not working out under Mourinho, and I even feel he want's to be sacked and collect his 12 million or whatever. IMO
 
Can you really see us getting a top 4 finish with these stats and playing the way we are now. We have used more players than any other team so far, and his excuse is tiredness. After 6 bloody games.

Sorry if i sound annoyed, but it's just not working out under Mourinho, and I even feel he want's to be sacked and collect his 12 million or whatever. IMO

We will finish 6th if Jose lasts the season. Poor defense and abysmal attack, midfield being our only strong point to an extent. Arsenal's strikers will ensure they finish 5th at least ahead of us.
 
Can you really see us getting a top 4 finish with these stats and playing the way we are now. We have used more players than any other team so far, and his excuse is tiredness. After 6 bloody games.

Sorry if i sound annoyed, but it's just not working out under Mourinho, and I even feel he want's to be sacked and collect his 12 million or whatever. IMO
I know where you are coming from. It was more that they might want to wait until there are more options available to them.
 
He was very good at CB for us

All these talk about José's three cups he won for us & he was useful for us in that season too - we wouldn't have won the FA cups & Europa without him.

Underrated player with over exaggerated weaknesses.
 
He might not have to be. Maybe it's just time to try a good manager who has a decent playing history (in Zidane's case both of these requirements are underselling him).

The more I read about managers like Mourinho (Benitez is another example) - I just don't know how players don't get tired of him and his approach. It can't be enjoyable. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to have a manager that the players can relate to a bit (and vice versa).

See that's what I want to see - I want to see a ex player. Ideally - Woodward hasn't talked to Zidane yet & Mourinho cintinues to struggle - gets fired; we put someone like Carrick or Butt in place short term to see how they do. If they struggle then put Zidane there end of season - two birds one stone.
 
We will finish 6th if Jose lasts the season. Poor defense and abysmal attack, midfield being our only strong point to an extent. Arsenal's strikers will ensure they finish 5th at least ahead of us.

Yes, I feel that we will finish around 6th also. But if we don't start scoring goals we could end up even further away.
 
He was very good at CB for us

An other amusing fact, Blind the weak and slow, nullified Lukaku when given the opportunity, we then thought that it was a good idea to sign the latter because he would provide speed and power while benching the former because he was a supposed liability in terms of speed and power.
 
An other amusing fact, Blind the weak and slow, nullified Lukaku when given the opportunity, we then thought that it was a good idea to sign the latter because he would provide speed and power while benching the former because he was a supposed liability in terms of speed and power.

I'm one of his biggest fans & it hurts that Fellaini is playing the role for Lindelöf that I wanted Blind to play for two CB's. He was not made for CDM with the intention of going forward but wpuld have been wonderful to fall deep in to a back 3 & be the CB that initiates play from deep.

Jose gave him 2 or 3 games at CB - didn't make a single mistake & got dropped permanently.
 
I'm one of his biggest fans & it hurts that Fellaini is playing the role for Lindelöf that I wanted Blind to play for two CB's. He was not made for CDM with the intention of going forward but wpuld have been wonderful to fall deep in to a back 3 & be the CB that initiates play from deep.

Jose gave him 2 or 3 games at CB - didn't make a single mistake & got dropped permanently.

Blind wasn’t perfect but it did seem strange that despite everyone saying he was too slow and weak to play CB there was really no evidence of that.
Lindelof hasn’t put one single performance in for us that matches Blind’s 15/16 CB performances. Strange decision making.
 
I'm one of his biggest fans & it hurts that Fellaini is playing the role for Lindelöf that I wanted Blind to play for two CB's. He was not made for CDM with the intention of going forward but wpuld have been wonderful to fall deep in to a back 3 & be the CB that initiates play from deep.

Jose gave him 2 or 3 games at CB - didn't make a single mistake & got dropped permanently.
Jose started his first season with Blind at CB, and he made a huge mistake vs City at home iirc.
Blind was never good enough to be a starter at United, certainly not in DM, a position he’s not playing for Holland nor for Ajax.

He looked alright in 2015/2016 duo to LVG’s ultra defensive brand of football.
 
Jose started his first season with Blind at CB, and he made a huge mistake vs City at home iirc.
Blind was never good enough to be a starter at United, certainly not in DM, a position he’s not playing for Holland nor for Ajax.

He looked alright in 2015/2016 duo to LVG’s ultra defensive brand of football.

He didn't made a huge mistake, Bailly let City's player head the ball without any sort of contest, Blind is covering but too flat footed and De Bruyne easily beats him. In that action both CBs lacks aggression but Blind being the last defender you can understand why he doesn't challenge an opponent running across him, Bailly on the other hand has no excuses and since then we have seen that it's customary with him and aerial challenges.
 
Jose started his first season with Blind at CB, and he made a huge mistake vs City at home iirc.
Blind was never good enough to be a starter at United, certainly not in DM, a position he’s not playing for Holland nor for Ajax.

He looked alright in 2015/2016 duo to LVG’s ultra defensive brand of football.



Bailly goes forward to intercept & then decides not to jump last minute leaving space behind Bailly, not Blind. This leaves blind on the back foot & De bryune with one touch takes the ball away from blind & in to Bailly's defensive area. Smalling in that position would have headed it back to Blind or out forward away from danger.

Once de bryune gets the ball there he is in a goal scoring opportunity no matter who the defender is and how much pace they have.
 
Jose started his first season with Blind at CB, and he made a huge mistake vs City at home iirc.
Blind was never good enough to be a starter at United, certainly not in DM, a position he’s not playing for Holland nor for Ajax.

He looked alright in 2015/2016 duo to LVG’s ultra defensive brand of football.

Caused by Bailly not jumping for a header. Who has gone on to prove himself as a liability.

But whatever.

EDIT: Post above already talks about this.

I think I can say with full confidence the best two centre-backs we've had (as a unit anyway) since Ferguson retired is Smalling and Blind. I do find it remarkable Mourinho has a desire for a ball playing centre-back when he sold the only legit one we had.
 
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Never wanted him from day one. He is the anti Utd. Can't wait till he fecks off and the door slams shut on his portugese hair gel ass.
 
No one can be sure but given we waited till Moyes and LVG mathematically couldn't make top four, it's easy to assume we'll do the same again.

If we seriously look at results:

Moyes should have been sacked before Xmas at the time.

Van Gaal probably deserved to go around Xmas/Jan in his second season.

As you say, it's not exactly proven but there does seem to be a likelihood we wait until certain measurements/goals have been missed.
 


Bailly goes forward to intercept & then decides not to jump last minute leaving space behind Bailly, not Blind. This leaves blind on the back foot & De bryune with one touch takes the ball away from blind & in to Bailly's defensive area. Smalling in that position would have headed it back to Blind or out forward away from danger.

Once de bryune gets the ball there he is in a goal scoring opportunity no matter who the defender is and how much pace they have.

A quicker and a bigger defender could’ve been in a far better position to tackle De Bruyne in that case.
It doesn’t matter on a larger scale if Blind made a mistake there or he didn’t, you’re kidding yourself if you think he was ever good enough to be a starting CB for a good Man United side

I’m with Mourinho on that one.
 
Jose and excuses are like fire and oxygen,can't have one without the other
It was almost unanimously agreed last season, that his third season would be make or break.
The goal posts have been moved again. I am tired.
 
A quicker and a bigger defender could’ve been in a far better position to tackle De Bruyne in that case.
It doesn’t matter on a larger scale if Blind made a mistake there or he didn’t, you’re kidding yourself if you think he was ever good enough to be a starting CB for a good Man United side

I’m with Mourinho on that one.

You say blind was in a bad position to tackle due to his pace & height - he was actually covering de bryune absolutely perfectly. The ball comes down away from Blind because Bailly literally causes a back pass that gets intercepted by De bryune. If that was done by feet - you would have no option but to blame Bailly - yet because Bailly does it by not going for the header; it becomes Blind's random genetic problem.

Tell me - what could Ramos have done in that exact moment? Every CB there is at a red card but whatever.

I'm with Woodward on this one.
 
The problem I see is that it was not that he wanted players, but who he wanted. Ed wanted younger and more marketable players. That word marketable is really sticking in my throat. It should all be about who are the right players.

Looking at the players United signed in previous years - and even the big one United signed this summer, Fred - I feel people are going overboard when they talk about how Woodward denies manager's requests for players who are not marketable. I'm sure he's delighted when he can sign them, but to say no because of that? Doubt it.
 
Looking at the players United signed in previous years - and even the big one United signed this summer, Fred - I feel people are going overboard when they talk about how Woodward denies manager's requests for players who are not marketable. I'm sure he's delighted when he can sign them, but to say no because of that? Doubt it.
They were saying Perisic wasn't marketable. Think it was more Inter were asking a stupid amount for a player his age.
 
They were saying Perisic wasn't marketable. Think it was more Inter were asking a stupid amount for a player his age.

I read that as well. Aside from the fact it was only reported in the papers, you look at his age and money requested and you can see why we wouldn't go as high.
 
Reality Check.

1. We have played 6 games and our Goal difference is a big fat O.

2. City's goal difference is 16 and Liverpool are 12 with Chelsea at 10.

3. Now is this what we are paying our hard earned money to see for this season.

4. Fans are entitled to their say, and I feel Mourinho and his football is outdated

5. We should bring someone in Now, before it is too late, or we ain't going to finish in top 4.

I've been feeling somewhat optimistic of late, even after Wolves. But that's rather damning.
 
When Woodward said the likes of Perisic & Willian are not marketable - what I think that means is that those players will cost us £70 mil on the spot but end up leaving for £10 mil when Jose is finished trying his hardest to scuff a trophy.

If Jose was tactically adaptive enough to go for a winger like Malcom who just moved to Barcelona for not that much - I'm sure Woodward would have been willing to pay double what Barcelona did. Fred, Lindelöf, Dalot, Lukaku and so on have the ability to carry money on their shoulders if they ever have to leave - especially with the whole one year uncooperative extension that players have in our squad. That is not going to work with Willian at his age.

As seen with Sanchez replacing Martial instantly and on good form - bringing anyone else is further detriment to the players that are already there like Rashford and have the ability to be useful to the future managers at future Manchester United.
 
When Woodward said the likes of Perisic & Willian are not marketable - what I think that means is that those players will cost us £70 mil on the spot but end up leaving for £10 mil when Jose is finished trying his hardest to scuff a trophy.

If Jose was tactically adaptive enough to go for a winger like Malcom who just moved to Barcelona for not that much - I'm sure Woodward would have been willing to pay double what Barcelona did. Fred, Lindelöf, Dalot, Lukaku and so on have the ability to carry money on their shoulders if they ever have to leave - especially with the whole one year uncooperative extension that players have in our squad. That is not going to work with Willian at his age.

As seen with Sanchez replacing Martial instantly and on good form - bringing anyone else is further detriment to the players that are already there like Rashford and have the ability to be useful to the future managers at future Manchester United.

Maybe I missed it but Woodward never commented on Perisic and Willian.
 
Again, today, he's said that he likes this group of players but finds it hard to get through to them how important every match is especially against the weaker teams. In his first season he said he struggled to motivate the players to play in the Europa league. Last year after the defeat against Huddersfield he said that the player's attitude was wrong (and so did Herrera). Now in the programme notes today, he's saying that their attitude is wrong again and how he can't get through to some of them. Bearing in mind how LVG said that players were disregarding his instructions, ignoring his e-mails etc. it seems we have a pretty unprofessional dressing room if this is all true.
 
Again, today, he's said that he likes this group of players but finds it hard to get through to them how important every match is especially against the weaker teams. In his first season he said he struggled to motivate the players to play in the Europa league. Last year after the defeat against Huddersfield he said that the player's attitude was wrong (and so did Herrera). Now in the programme notes today, he's saying that their attitude is wrong again and how he can't get through to some of them. Bearing in mind how LVG said that players were disregarding his instructions, ignoring his e-mails etc. it seems we have a pretty unprofessional dressing room if this is all true.

The dressing room is very different though and the parallel lose a lot of weight after three seasons. When a manager can't motivated players during more than 2 years then it's his own skills that are in doubt.
 
The dressing room is very different though and the parallel lose a lot of weight after three seasons. When a manager can't motivated players during more than 2 years then it's his own skills that are in doubt.

There has been quite a few changes in 3 years you're right but there's still a decent core that have remained for 3+. Mata, Young, Smalling, Rojo, Herrera, Valencia, Darmian, Martial, Rashford, DDG, Jones, Lingard. I think there's a lot more player power since Fergie left which I guess is understandable but we also have one of the top wage bills in the country. These guys shouldn't be playing at less than 95% as Jose said.
 
Again, today, he's said that he likes this group of players but finds it hard to get through to them how important every match is especially against the weaker teams. In his first season he said he struggled to motivate the players to play in the Europa league. Last year after the defeat against Huddersfield he said that the player's attitude was wrong (and so did Herrera). Now in the programme notes today, he's saying that their attitude is wrong again and how he can't get through to some of them. Bearing in mind how LVG said that players were disregarding his instructions, ignoring his e-mails etc. it seems we have a pretty unprofessional dressing room if this is all true.
How does that work though? Half the team that started against Wolves came after LVG.
 
So he said the Wolves team played his way and not our team? Great stuff. I wonder what's he's been upto for the last 2 and a half years.
 
No one can be sure but given we waited till Moyes and LVG mathematically couldn't make top four, it's easy to assume we'll do the same again.

I guess that’s my point. None of us know what goes on behind the scenes, so when I see posters say stuff like ‘it’s proven that we are reactive, not proactive’ like it’s a fact, it confuses me.

Even if we did wait until it is mathematically impossible for us to make the Champions League spot, that was possibly due to a clause in the managers contracts. I remember reading that we would have to pay out substantially more money to the likes of Moyes and LVG if we sacked them when it was still mathematically possible to get top 4.

Also, do people want us to sack managers early into their contracts just because the team is going through some bad form? Don’t get me wrong, in my opinion it was the right decision to sack Moyes and LVG (and I think we did it at the right time for both), but it’s perfectly logical to give managers a bit more time to see if things change on the pitch, and for financial reasons as I’ve just stated.

Also, we lined up Jose whilst LVG was still in charge, so how does that make us a reactive, not proactive club? (FWIW, I think Jose will leave at the end of the season and we will already be working on his replacement).

It’s nonsense.
 
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There has been quite a few changes in 3 years you're right but there's still a decent core that have remained for 3+. Mata, Young, Smalling, Rojo, Herrera, Valencia, Darmian, Martial, Rashford, DDG, Jones, Lingard. I think there's a lot more player power since Fergie left which I guess is understandable but we also have one of the top wage bills in the country. These guys shouldn't be playing at less than 95% as Jose said.

But surely you realize that not all of the players that you mention are a problem, in fact most of the players that you mentioned are among the most committed. It's just a terrible excuse that doesn't sustain scrutiny.
 
I guess that’s my point. None of us know what goes on behind the scenes, so when I see posters say stuff like ‘it’s proven that we are reactive, not proactive’ like it’s a fact, it confuses me.

Even if we did wait until it is mathematically impossible for us to make the Champions League spot, that was possibly due to a clause in the managers contracts. I remember reading that we would have to pay out substantially more money to the likes of Moyes and LVG if we sacked them when it was still mathematically possible to get top 4.

Also, do people want us to sack managers early into their contracts just because the team is going through some bad form? Don’t get me wrong, in my opinion it was the right decision to sack Moyes and LVG (and I think we did it at the right time for both), but it’s perfectly logical to give managers a bit more time to see if things change on the pitch, and for financial reasons as I’ve just stated.

Also, we lined up Jose whilst LVG was still in charge, so how does that make us a reactive, not proactive club?

It’s nonsense.

Agreed. LVG had one year in his contract, so I don't think that it was for financial reasons, they just gambled on his ability to steady the ship and reach top 4 which wasn't foolish because we ended up with the same amount of points as the fourth team despite a pretty bad last month. Moyes was a smart move, we gave him a 6 years contract(that was stupid) and he would have laughed all the way to the bank if we didn't wait for him to officially fail.
 
Mourinho leaving might solve a few problems, but not all. These players are also a massive headache for any manager coming in. Too many are lazy and selfish.

Next summer, we need to buy new players no matter who the manager is. Those who are causing a ruckus can leave.
 
The sooner Mourinho leaves, better for United.

A bit oversimplistic, no?

You don’t have any issues with the players, Woodward, the board, the owners, the structure of the club, our scouting system?
 
Get a DoF, someone with a clear idea of how our club should play, get the scouting system working under him, look at the squad make up and how we need to move forward, fire this manager and get a new guy in who identifies with the set ideas.
The current set up, CEO and manager arrangement is just not working.
 
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