The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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SirAF said:
If Tim Howard had not fecked up against Porto then maybe Mourinho's career would never have taken off in the way it did - that's life! My point is that it is utterly pathetic to use that miss as a stick to beat Mourinho with in some attempt to illustrate "what a close call" it was. What if Lee Martin had not scored in that cup final?
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I assume you never use the word IF I take it?
Of course football is a game of Ifs and buts, but we shouldn't have allowed them to be in that position in the first place is the point, but we allowed it, the way we set up, it's as if we were scared of them
 
Igor Drefljak said:
I assume you never use the word IF I take it?
Of course football is a game of Ifs and buts, but we shouldn't have allowed them to be in that position in the first place is the point, but we allowed it, the way we set up, it's as if we were scared of them
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Shit happens! It's hardly worth discussing a year and a half on. You could point to such events in any given cup run.
 
SirAF said:
Shit happens! It's hardly worth discussing a year and a half on. You could point to such events in any given cup run.
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It's just like saying if Rashford had put away a couple of his chances against Chelsea in the final last season we'd also have an FA cup under Mourinho, it's just how cup competitions are.
 
Dec9003 said:
It's just like saying if Rashford had put away a couple of his chances against Chelsea in the final last season we'd also have an FA cup under Mourinho, it's just how cup competitions are.
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Exactly, and I don't see anyone using that as an excuse for Mourinho.
 
SirAF said:
Exactly, and I don't see anyone using that as an excuse for Mourinho.
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Doesn't work like that around here unfortunately. It's more trendy to slate him whilst championing managers who are yet to win anything in England.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
It's unbelievable that some of our 'fans' will totally write off a European trophy just so they can avoid giving any credit to Mourinho. It's unbelievable.

Winning the Cup Winners Cup in 91 was one of the best nights of my life - imagine then being so spoiled that we would have said 'Some Achievement - it's a second rate competition for second rate clubs'...
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Yes. That's the only reason some of us aren't wanking ourselves silly over the EL win.

The '91 CWC win isn't even remotely comparable for many reasons. We weren't the behemoth of a club we are now, we'd been starved for success for a very long time, and the CWC had far more prestige and status among Europe's elite than the current EL does. The difference between the top clubs and the rest wasn't nearly as big as it is now. Oh, and we beat Barcelona in the final.
 
I honestly don’t understand the fans who post stuff like, “i’m not a fan of José but if he delivers a league title or a CL trophy, he can stay,” “if he delivers us success, he can stay,” or even stuff like, “I want to see him leave even if he wins us the league.”

First of all, we are in a time where we have other clubs around us spending more than us. Second of all, in my opinion, José has already delivered a lot of success in his two seasons considering what he has had to work with. Anyone else we hire in place of Jose will still have the same issue of competing with rivals who are spending more than us and spending more than us for a longer time now.

Also, all those people who are judging a manager over the results of a few games need to watch a different sport or go back to playing console games. American football may be your sport because literally, 2 games mean a big part of your season. If you argue that the team has been shite for a while, I wouldn’t call finishing second place in the league shite. So, move on or support the team!
 
Borden said:
Yes. That's the only reason some of us aren't wanking ourselves silly over the EL win.

The '91 CWC win isn't even remotely comparable for many reasons. We weren't the behemoth of a club we are now, we'd been starved for success for a very long time, and the CWC had far more prestige and status among Europe's elite than the current EL does. The difference between the top clubs and the rest wasn't nearly as big as it is now. Oh, and we beat Barcelona in the final.
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Again with the sarcastic comments. You're getting Bor(d)ing quite fast, mate.
 
Borden said:
Yes. That's the only reason some of us aren't wanking ourselves silly over the EL win.

The '91 CWC win isn't even remotely comparable for many reasons. We weren't the behemoth of a club we are now, we'd been starved for success for a very long time, and the CWC had far more prestige and status among Europe's elite than the current EL does. The difference between the top clubs and the rest wasn't nearly as big as it is now. Oh, and we beat Barcelona in the final.
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Yep, exactly as I said - we've been spoiled. Well, some of us have.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
That's the point isn't it. Perisic would have added something to the team. Sanchez is great for merchandising.
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Sanchez added something to the team. Sure, he looked like he was going to add more - just like Perisic would seem like he would add more. Or Miki. Or anyone.

When they actually play it might not be as good as on paper
 
Most people’s opinions are extremely fickle, fluctuating in the basis on a single performance. I supported Mourinho staunchly throughout his first season but started to lose faith after the Liverpool home game at the start of last season when, despite winning our first few games by 3 or 4 goals each, we produced the single most cowardly display of football I’ve ever seen from a big club.

Over the following months all my suspicions and fears about Mourinho as a manager were confirmed. Horrible, boring football, and a toxic personality. A couple of wins about mid table quality teams doesn’t change that. I cannot wait until he leaves. Horrible manager and an odious little character. The same goes for Woodward. Not a shred of class or integrity about either of them.
 
simonhch said:
Most people’s opinions are extremely fickle, fluctuating in the basis on a single performance. I supported Mourinho staunchly throughout his first season but started to lose faith after the Liverpool home game at the start of last season when, despite winning our first few games by 3 or 4 goals each, we produced the single most cowardly display of football I’ve ever seen from a big club.

Over the following months all my suspicions and fears about Mourinho as a manager were confirmed. Horrible, boring football, and a toxic personality. A couple of wins about mid table quality teams doesn’t change that. I cannot wait until he leaves. Horrible manager and an odious little character. The same goes for Woodward. Not a shred of class or integrity about either of them.
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:lol:

I don't have any words as of how weird that statement is.
 
simonhch said:
Most people’s opinions are extremely fickle, fluctuating in the basis on a single performance. I supported Mourinho staunchly throughout his first season but started to lose faith after the Liverpool home game at the start of last season when, despite winning our first few games by 3 or 4 goals each, we produced the single most cowardly display of football I’ve ever seen from a big club.

Over the following months all my suspicions and fears about Mourinho as a manager were confirmed. Horrible, boring football, and a toxic personality. A couple of wins about mid table quality teams doesn’t change that. I cannot wait until he leaves. Horrible manager and an odious little character. The same goes for Woodward. Not a shred of class or integrity about either of them.
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Have to agree.

Yesterday was a good result and a good performance but let's not pretend it hasn't been a poor start to the season. We're already four points down on last year.

If we keep up yesterday's form a lot of people will turn back towards Mourinho. But the idea that all the problems have evaporated in the space of two games is nonsense.
 
sunama said:
You realise that Jose is the one who wants us to spend more money and go for the title. He is absolutely not satisfied with 2nd place or below.
The problem is that our board have proved that they have no appetite to spend the money required to win the title.

We have seen that MCFC owners are backing their manager financially to win the title. Even with a bottomless pit the Manager doesn't ask the owners to cough up for 29/30 year olds with no resale value
We are also seeing that the Liverpool owners are doing the same. Let's see if it continues first
Our owners, though their actions, have stated clearly that winning the league is not worth it and top 4 is the only target. Grade 'A' rubbish, how much do you want them to spend ?

I find it bizarre that people who don't like Jose wants him gone because he isn't winning the league, yet he is the only person at the club who is desperate to win the league I'm sure one or two of the players may as well, always nice to put on your CV . He basically went to war with our board this Summer, via the media, YEAH, DEAD CLASSY moaning that our club don't want to win the league.

The Jose hater basically want Jose to win the league, with significantly weaker squads than our rivals. No, we want him to wise up, appreciate the fact he's the Manager of the biggest club side in the World, look happy occasionally, oh yeah and to get the players the players to play attractive football every now and again, it's not illegal, the League can wait.
Jose is fighting our rivals with one hand tied behind his back.
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simonhch said:
Most people’s opinions are extremely fickle, fluctuating in the basis on a single performance. I supported Mourinho staunchly throughout his first season but started to lose faith after the Liverpool home game at the start of last season when, despite winning our first few games by 3 or 4 goals each, we produced the single most cowardly display of football I’ve ever seen from a big club.

Over the following months all my suspicions and fears about Mourinho as a manager were confirmed. Horrible, boring football, and a toxic personality. A couple of wins about mid table quality teams doesn’t change that. I cannot wait until he leaves. Horrible manager and an odious little character. The same goes for Woodward. Not a shred of class or integrity about either of them.
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He started losing my support around January.
I was wary about him before we signed him but totally went on board with him for the first 18 months or so. I simply think he has failed and cannot get the best out of too many of the players, including his signings.
All that said, I am willing to change my mind if he can get the lads performing with a more agressive style of football. Think a quicker tempo on and off the ball would provide the players with a better platform to perform.
Two and a half games is not enough to for me to change my mind yet.
There is this nonsense going round that the fans who don't see it with him want him to fail. I can't be bothered to start arguing with people that think that.
 
Class of 63 said:
Yeah i'm surprised at the amount of people in a Mourinho out thread saying nasty hurtful things about him, what's the world coming to ?
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It's a good thread to visit and subsequently take note of the bizzare posters though.
 
The Mourinho out poll basically approximates that 50% of redcafe is deluded.
 
simonhch said:
Most people’s opinions are extremely fickle, fluctuating in the basis on a single performance. I supported Mourinho staunchly throughout his first season but started to lose faith after the Liverpool home game at the start of last season when, despite winning our first few games by 3 or 4 goals each, we produced the single most cowardly display of football I’ve ever seen from a big club.

Over the following months all my suspicions and fears about Mourinho as a manager were confirmed. Horrible, boring football, and a toxic personality. A couple of wins about mid table quality teams doesn’t change that. I cannot wait until he leaves. Horrible manager and an odious little character. The same goes for Woodward. Not a shred of class or integrity about either of them.
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The Liverpool home game that was actually at Anfield, where Liverpool didn't lose in the league all season? Where Spurs conceded 2, Arsenal concede 4, Roma 5, Man City conceded 7 between their 2 visits there. Yup, shame on Mourinho for prioritising a clean sheet.
 
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dbryan said:
I am with Andycoleno9 here. Who do you bring in? (please don't say Poch) He is one of the best managers in the world and should be given the rest of the season.

The players are playing for him. The fans are chanting his name throughout the game. Liverpool, Chelsea and City will drop points. We have scored 2 goals in every game we have played this season.

I really think we will push for the title this season, not saying we will win it but we are nowhere near as bad as people make us out to be. He may not be the Jose of 2004/05 but it was a different league back then, nowhere near as competitive as it is now.
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Where do you get this from? We lost 3-0 against Spurs at home.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Imagine being this fecking miserable about the team you support.
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Sorry that I refuse to pretend that beating (what should be) cannon-fodder constitutes any kind of impressive or laudable achievement for a club of our size just to make Mourinho's tenure look better. The EL win was important only because it secured us CL qualification. That's it. The trophy itself should be hidden away in the basement.
 
Borden said:
Sorry that I refuse to pretend that beating (what should be) cannon-fodder constitutes any kind of impressive or laudable achievement for a club of our size just to make Mourinho's tenure look better. The EL win was important only because it secured us CL qualification. That's it. The trophy itself should be hidden away in the basement.
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:lol: Why? It's part of our historic treble. I quite liked us winning the EL to be honest, even if it is second tier.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Ha ha alright. When 95% of football teams in the world would kill for winning a trophy that some our fans describe as 'some achievement' what would you describe it as then?
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It's just a playground insult that adds nothing to the debate.

Also, who are you to decide whether any other fan is spoilt or not? Know any of us personally do you?
 
Borden said:
It's 5 years, not ancient history. And it just goes to show how Mourinho turns on a dime when it suits him and makes him look good.
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Most people do that. It’s not really astonishing or anything.

I’m sure you can find quotes that show Ferguson contradicting himself too - without that being a big deal.
 
Borden said:
Sorry that I refuse to pretend that beating (what should be) cannon-fodder constitutes any kind of impressive or laudable achievement for a club of our size just to make Mourinho's tenure look better. The EL win was important only because it secured us CL qualification. That's it. The trophy itself should be hidden away in the basement.
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Nonsense. We are one of a handful of clubs who have won all three major European trophies. We should be rightly proud of that cup.
 
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