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The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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With the way we're playing sooner or later we'll get embarrassed by a more competent team.
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A lot of people had decided as soon as he joined the club!
You realise that Jose is the one who wants us to spend more money and go for the title. He is absolutely not satisfied with 2nd place or below.
The problem is that our board have proved that they have no appetite to spend the money required to win the title.
We have seen that MCFC owners are backing their manager financially to win the title.
We are also seeing that the Liverpool owners are doing the same.
Our owners, though their actions, have stated clearly that winning the league is not worth it and top 4 is the only target.
I find it bizarre that people who don't like Jose wants him gone because he isn't winning the league, yet he is the only person at the club who is desperate to win the league. He basically went to war with our board this Summer, via the media, moaning that our club don't want to win the league.
The Jose hater basically want Jose to win the league, with significantly weaker squads than our rivals.
Jose is fighting our rivals with one hand tied behind his back.
Indeed.
Many posters in fairness, openly admit that they want Jose gone because they don't like him. If he won the treble, they'd still want him gone and they'd probably be crying themselves to sleep as they know that he'll be here for a while.
Yes, that is the truth in case of mourinho. Since first day fans didn't accept him.
Think it is more on who Jose wanted to spend the money. That to me shows a complete lack of communication between all parties. They knew who he wanted, if they didn't want to buy said players, then come up with alternatives, don 't just sit their twiddling your thumbs. The sooner he or any future manager gets someone they can work with in tandem regarding transfers the better.
The thing that frustrates me is that, in spite of what many caf geniuses thought last summer, Perisic would have been absolutely perfect for this team - in terms of adding balance, drive and pace - not to mention providing improved service for Lukaku. He's still only 29 now. £50 million would have secured him. We still don't have a proper right winger.
I would have loved Perisic. They obviously want younger options, so surely that is what scouts are for. There really hasn't been much joined up thinking around our transfer policy.
@Sky1981 To be fair reading that your comprehension was just poor. Like Liverpool just ‘bite the bullet’ on this one
I get what he means. But he kept on banging about how we're being arsenal when we finished 6th and 2nd under jose.
2nd isnt all that but it's not top 4 finish in arsenal way.
Yeah I agree. I think it's about looking at who is available, what the budget is and accepting that some signings will need to be cheaper, younger options to enable the purchase of older 'ready made' players in other positions. It's just frustrating to almost complete the rebuild and then get cold feet just before you get there. And to be fair to Mourinho he is under a lot of pressure to win NOW, not in 5 years time like, say, Pochettino. In that sense I can understand him first and foremost looking for players that are proven at the top level and can (hopefully, cough Sanchez cough) come in and perform straight away. There's also the fact that LVG jettisoned (and didn't adequately replace) most of our experienced players so we - even now - have a dearth of genuine top level experience across the team. Easy to say in retrospect but maybe the best thing last season would have been to approve the Perisic signing on the understanding that the next few players signed would need to fit a younger profile and be developed with a view to becoming first team regulars over the next couple of seasons. The current situation is a mess and we still don't have a right winger or a properly dependable pair in central defence.
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Aye. The entire logic was a pile of piss when you consider Jose took us to 81pts in his second season and won a Europa Cup in his first season. His managerial prowess isn't quite Arsenal esque.
but they bought Sanchez afterwards at 29, because he was box office
That's the point isn't it. Perisic would have added something to the team. Sanchez is great for merchandising.
Thread says all you need to know about keyboard warriors and feck all about OT and MU supporters.
Don't forget the poll!
I always thought Jose only matched clubs like Chelsea and Manchester City that have lost any sense of local identity through clinically buying whatever big name or other foreign playesr they can splash out on through the ownership, and seem to care little for what distinguished them as clubs in previous eras. Those two clubs now have little connection with local identity or their individual histories.
I worried about this and also his previous teams' styles of play which again match the whole clinical characteristic plus his tendency to go off the rails at his clubs and make drama. However, I have been pleasantly surprised by him in general although he has his flaws and the way he has had the lads play sometimes seems as much like a Manchester United team as stale crisps are a nutritional meal.
Jose is big enough for United in that he can handle the role, United has won silverware with him, as somebody said he has supported some players who should be supported. However, the style of play leaves a lot to be desired at times, and United need to re-capture their identity. The answer doesn't lie in buy this and that player from around the world - all the chatter about needing to spend and spend is missing the point.
But there's no way Jose should be given his marching orders. Who on earth is going to replace him? I'd love Ryan - only after he has had some real success with Wales.
I worried about this and also his previous teams' styles of play which again match the whole clinical characteristic plus his tendency to go off the rails at his clubs and make drama. However, I have been pleasantly surprised by him in general although he has his flaws and the way he has had the lads play sometimes seems as much like a Manchester United team as stale crisps are a nutritional meal.
Jose is big enough for United in that he can handle the role, United has won silverware with him, as somebody said he has supported some players who should be supported. However, the style of play leaves a lot to be desired at times, and United need to re-capture their identity. The answer doesn't lie in buy this and that player from around the world - all the chatter about needing to spend and spend is missing the point.
But there's no way Jose should be given his marching orders. Who on earth is going to replace him? I'd love Ryan - only after he has had some real success with Wales.
Watford away when they are high on confidence is a tough fixture. They are a pretty competent team and played pretty well too.
The second half wasn't great but it wasn't far off a very good performance for me. Just the usual irritation of the players switching off and being wasteful as soon as they were 2-0 up.
People are too eager to be negative on here. Fine to be critical but at least let's do it with some perspective
United doesn't play beautiful football is an over exaggeration that it's becoming a joke really.
Go support other club.
Go support other club.
Yes, Jose should stay unless there is truly somebody amazing who comes along.
But as for this cash splashing - no thanks, I don't want to see Manchester United be assembled like Chelsea and others who have won by discarding any of their club identities and just bought, bought, bought foreign players. Many of us want to see Manchester United - not some football assembly line.
I'd say one of the problems about the team at the moment is the lack of commitment some players have to any idea of Manchester United. This is what happens when you change a team's soul by assembling it like bricks without thinking of what it is that this club represents.
The lack of passion of some players no matter how big their reps outside the UK tells us that the best way to create a Manchester United team that wins the League again is to follow the judicious and proven successful path of promoting the youth, selecting others who understand the club and have passion for it, and combining this with some big signings - who like Ronaldo and Cantona bring something special but also care about Manchester United.
No chance of much perspective in here. Watford had only lost one home game in 2018 before yesterday, including wins against Chelsea and Spurs, but apparently even tough fought victories aren't even good enough for some fans here, which is bit strange considering that most of them probably expected us to drop points beforehand.
That wouldn't work. Our casual fans are damning, they want to make stars, but they don't want to wait for years to build for a team. One fail season and new threads for sacking will come out.
We are spoiled bunch. We were spoiled by Fergie's era and we have to admit that our era is over. We won't see another Busby or Fergie because that's how football is now. Results, results and results.
Don't think even success with Wales is enough, Chris Coleman proves that. He then needs to prove himself at a club as well.
Neither has our spending been over the last few years, despite the last summer.
Pretty much yeah. We really do need to fix the sloppiness and taking the foot off the gas issue. Need to play well in both halves and not just one.
Showing more positivity in all respects, good on him. The things he said in the post-match interview too points that they are working towards a better offensive game.
Beautiful football over success. Who wants that? Just curious..
‘Won a Europa Cup’
We played Ajax, Celta Vigo, Anderlecht, Rostov and St. Etienne. What a monumental achievement.
We played Ajax, Celta Vigo, Anderlecht, Rostov and St. Etienne. What a monumental achievement.
‘Won a Europa Cup’
We played Ajax, Celta Vigo, Anderlecht, Rostov and St. Etienne. What a monumental achievement.
If you put Klopp/Pochettino there in charge he wouldn't win it. Just saying.
‘Won a Europa Cup’
We played Ajax, Celta Vigo, Anderlecht, Rostov and St. Etienne. What a monumental achievement.
The opponents doesn't matter - you can only beat what is in front of you.
What a bizarre statement.
Find two posters that saying this. I'm not asking much, am I?
Of course they matter. The EL is a second rate competition for second rate clubs, and a competition Mourinho didn’t give two shits about (and had even ridiculed in the past if I remember correctly) until he found himself in the position of having to win it to rescue CL football. And he was a John Guidetti feck-up away from getting eliminated. Some achievement.
Comments like these are so petty.
As for the beloved Guidetti comment that pops up from time to time: every single team that has ever won a knockout tournament will have had close calls like that at some point. You'd notice if you were actually watching closely.
Agreed that the 2nd half was upsetting. But I blame it more on Sanchez, Lukaku, and Lingard who are massively need to be upgraded as attacking unit.
But for once, the first half was the best thing I've seen for a long time. I would be content (with the current manager) if we can maintain that kind of performance for this season, regardless of the trophy or league position. At least, we know the style is there, then just need to upgrade the attacking players.
It's unbelievable that some of our 'fans' will totally write off a European trophy just so they can avoid giving any credit to Mourinho. It's unbelievable.
Winning the Cup Winners Cup in 91 was one of the best nights of my life - imagine then being so spoiled that we would have said 'Some Achievement - it's a second rate competition for second rate clubs'...
@sunama
It's more than just 'finishing 2nd'
You say Liverpool are spending money as if we haven't.
We've spent lots of money.
It's everything that surrounds him.
We lose to Sevilla - He bangs on about how it's not his fault and how he even came to OT and beat us
We lose the other week and he goes on about how he's won more premier league titles than the rest put together. (Nice timing)
It's all about him, always.
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People are now going on about winning the EL.
The thing is, he actually nearly fecked that up on a few occasions.
@SirAF - The Guidetti miss is a talking point
We were at home, in the driving seat and he let them come on to us. Firstly we are a superior side and secondly at home.
If that Guidetti goal went in, We'd probably have had another manager, so that miss was massive
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As for Mourinho, I'm not exactly saying he's doing a bad job.
Although 2nd was a good result last year (not 4th... - I should make that clear), I don't think he over achieved, as surely second, with the money we spent should have been the target.
My issue with him, is more how we set up. Celta is an example, Sevilla is also an example and there are many more.
We just haven't been dominating games like we should. If he can turn that around, I'd happily accept it (I wanted him here in the first place).
The thing is, throw a Poch, Klopp etc at this team, we'd still do as good as if Mourinho was here, but at least I'd be entertained.
It's more than just 'finishing 2nd'
You say Liverpool are spending money as if we haven't.
We've spent lots of money.
It's everything that surrounds him.
We lose to Sevilla - He bangs on about how it's not his fault and how he even came to OT and beat us
We lose the other week and he goes on about how he's won more premier league titles than the rest put together. (Nice timing)
It's all about him, always.
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People are now going on about winning the EL.
The thing is, he actually nearly fecked that up on a few occasions.
@SirAF - The Guidetti miss is a talking point
We were at home, in the driving seat and he let them come on to us. Firstly we are a superior side and secondly at home.
If that Guidetti goal went in, We'd probably have had another manager, so that miss was massive
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As for Mourinho, I'm not exactly saying he's doing a bad job.
Although 2nd was a good result last year (not 4th... - I should make that clear), I don't think he over achieved, as surely second, with the money we spent should have been the target.
My issue with him, is more how we set up. Celta is an example, Sevilla is also an example and there are many more.
We just haven't been dominating games like we should. If he can turn that around, I'd happily accept it (I wanted him here in the first place).
The thing is, throw a Poch, Klopp etc at this team, we'd still do as good as if Mourinho was here, but at least I'd be entertained.
@sunama
It's more than just 'finishing 2nd'
You say Liverpool are spending money as if we haven't.
We've spent lots of money.
It's everything that surrounds him.
We lose to Sevilla - He bangs on about how it's not his fault and how he even came to OT and beat us
We lose the other week and he goes on about how he's won more premier league titles than the rest put together. (Nice timing)
It's all about him, always.
---
People are now going on about winning the EL.
The thing is, he actually nearly fecked that up on a few occasions.
@SirAF - The Guidetti miss is a talking point
We were at home, in the driving seat and he let them come on to us. Firstly we are a superior side and secondly at home.
If that Guidetti goal went in, We'd probably have had another manager, so that miss was massive
---
As for Mourinho, I'm not exactly saying he's doing a bad job.
Although 2nd was a good result last year (not 4th... - I should make that clear), I don't think he over achieved, as surely second, with the money we spent should have been the target.
My issue with him, is more how we set up. Celta is an example, Sevilla is also an example and there are many more.
We just haven't been dominating games like we should. If he can turn that around, I'd happily accept it (I wanted him here in the first place).
The thing is, throw a Poch, Klopp etc at this team, we'd still do as good as if Mourinho was here, but at least I'd be entertained.
If Tim Howard had not fecked up against Porto then maybe Mourinho's career would never have taken off in the way it did - that's life! My point is that it is utterly pathetic to use that miss as a stick to beat Mourinho with in some attempt to illustrate "what a close call" it was. What if Lee Martin had not scored in that cup final?
What are you going to do? *shrugs*
He hasn't overachieved, but Klopp and Poch wouldn't be doing as well as Mourinho here, neither manager has won anything since taking over their respective clubs.@sunama
It's more than just 'finishing 2nd'
You say Liverpool are spending money as if we haven't.
We've spent lots of money.
It's everything that surrounds him.
We lose to Sevilla - He bangs on about how it's not his fault and how he even came to OT and beat us
We lose the other week and he goes on about how he's won more premier league titles than the rest put together. (Nice timing)
It's all about him, always.
---
People are now going on about winning the EL.
The thing is, he actually nearly fecked that up on a few occasions.
@SirAF - The Guidetti miss is a talking point
We were at home, in the driving seat and he let them come on to us. Firstly we are a superior side and secondly at home.
If that Guidetti goal went in, We'd probably have had another manager, so that miss was massive
---
As for Mourinho, I'm not exactly saying he's doing a bad job.
Although 2nd was a good result last year (not 4th... - I should make that clear), I don't think he over achieved, as surely second, with the money we spent should have been the target.
My issue with him, is more how we set up. Celta is an example, Sevilla is also an example and there are many more.
We just haven't been dominating games like we should. If he can turn that around, I'd happily accept it (I wanted him here in the first place).
The thing is, throw a Poch, Klopp etc at this team, we'd still do as good as if Mourinho was here, but at least I'd be entertained.
Mourinho finished above Liverpool and Tottenham last season, and we ended tottenhams only chance of winning anything by knocking them out of the FA cup.
The idea that Tottenham play a sparkling brand of football is a myth anyway, spread by people who I'm not convinced actually watch them.
The Sevilla match was bad, but ultimately over two years that's the only really awful result we've had, that's not bad going.
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