You're asking from an apologists to admit he's mistaken?
Have you learned nothing young one?
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Have you learned nothing young one?
Of course not. 99% of the United squad would be starters for Barcelona, Bayern, PSG, Real, Barcelona... Messi would be proud to have players like Valencia and Young as teammate.
Really is quite funny how the Liverpool manager seems to rate this United squad far more than Jose and his acolytes who believe we have mid table quality
Pep has also said more complimentary things about the squad than Jose has
Get this man out of here as he is not fit to lead us. His behaviour is damaging our great club and now it´s time to give the fans the best Christmas present possible in getting rid of him. Get Eddie Howe and keep Carrick+McKenna and add to that team a proven Director of football. Start by creating a good working enviroment and by playing some passing, attacking football.
Having spent 400 millons pounds + the Sanchez clusterfeck deal andMourinho claiming this is no team of his after 3 years is just beyond reason.
He has bought the following players and you could argue that hardly any of them has been a success:
Sanchez - Miss
Eric Bailly - Miss
Zlatan - Hit even though he was a short term fix
Mkhitaryan - Miss
Pogba - Miss (So far but I belive he´s capable of more)
Lindelof - Miss (But showing signs of improving)
Lukaku - Miss(Perhaps strange since he has scored goals but his touch,movement are lacking)
Matic - Miss(Slow,slow.....)
Fred - Miss(Has not shown anything to warrarnt the 50 million pound fee)
Dalot - Hit(Has barely played enough but shows signs of quailty when he plays. One for the future)
Compare that to Klopp(the manager we should have got after Ferguson left) at Liverpool:
Van Dijk,Alison,Keita,Fabinho,Salah,Mane,Chamberlain,Wijnaldum,Shaqiri,Robertson all having turned out as rather good buys. Grujic,Karius and Klavan would fall into category of singings not working out.
Klopp has the ability to get the best out of his players and improve them. Mourinho clearly does not have that and just look back at his last stay at Chelsea and Madrid to see that he manages to get almost everybody up against him and create a toxic atmosphere. I am sure many of the players Mourinho signed would have done well under Klopp as I belive some of them are capable of much better performances than they have shown to this date.
There is no person bigger than the club and this Primadonna that has the honor of being Man Utd manager at this moment in time is sadly the best example of that.
Having spent 400 millons pounds + the Sanchez clusterfeck deal andMourinho claiming this is no team of his after 3 years is just beyond reason.
He has bought the following players and you could argue that hardly any of them has been a success:
Sanchez - Miss
Eric Bailly - Miss
Zlatan - Hit even though he was a short term fix
Mkhitaryan - Miss
Pogba - Miss (So far but I belive he´s capable of more)
Lindelof - Miss (But showing signs of improving)
Lukaku - Miss(Perhaps strange since he has scored goals but his touch,movement are lacking)
Matic - Miss(Slow,slow.....)
Fred - Miss(Has not shown anything to warrarnt the 50 million pound fee)
Dalot - Hit(Has barely played enough but shows signs of quailty when he plays. One for the future)
Compare that to Klopp(the manager we should have got after Ferguson left) at Liverpool:
Van Dijk,Alison,Keita,Fabinho,Salah,Mane,Chamberlain,Wijnaldum,Shaqiri,Robertson all having turned out as rather good buys. Grujic,Karius and Klavan would fall into category of singings not working out.
Klopp has the ability to get the best out of his players and improve them. Mourinho clearly does not have that and just look back at his last stay at Chelsea and Madrid to see that he manages to get almost everybody up against him and create a toxic atmosphere. I am sure many of the players Mourinho signed would have done well under Klopp as I belive some of them are capable of much better performances than they have shown to this date.
There is no person bigger than the club and this Primadonna that has the honor of being Man Utd manager at this moment in time is sadly the best example of that.
Really is funny how the Liverpool manager seems to rate this United squad far more than Jose and his acolytes who believe we have mid table quality
Tbf, it was a standard response any manager would make about a Top 6 rival which may have fallen on hard times. Means nothing regarding his real opinion about our squad.
I definitely take into account that he wouldn't want to rock the boat too much with his pre match comments but I'm also of the belief that he would have this squad challenging for honors if he were in charge.
He took a less talented team to the CL final last year
Really is quite funny how the Liverpool manager seems to rate this United squad far more than Jose and his acolytes who believe we have mid table quality
Pep has also said more complimentary things about the squad than Jose has
What kind of nonsense is this? Opposition managers don't talk s**t about other teams position or their players. Especially not against a big club like United.
Yes, managers might take slight digs now and then, but no one outright says "Yeah!! They are in a crap position and we will steamroll them"
But according to Jose it was poor just like he says ours is now. If you can't see how ironic that is then I can only guess your on a wum.
Jose spent the whole of that time talking crap about the team only for him to leave and them to go on a unbeaten streak.
No team in the world is perfect. Every team has players like Valencia and Young who are getting more game time than they should. However our squad in general is not bad, about the same quality as Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool, and definitely better than Arsenal's. Our biggest problem is the manager. When some players don't perform, you can blame the players. When not a single player performs and every single new signing is a flop, you have to look at the manager. He is just not doing a good job and I cannot understand how can anyone say otherwise and shift all the blame to the players. Our tactical setup is all wrong and more suited to Stoke City.
Overall there's not a huge difference, as you say every team has areas of weakness and strength. However, using your example who is our equivalent of Kane, Hazard or Salah? Each of the teams you listed has one (or more) absolutely stand out player who they rely on to carry them, the create and score goals even when playing badly.
By contrast, our talisman is a goalkeeper who, no matter how good, isn't going to much of a goal threat. If Mourinho had been constrained financially like Poch, I'd have some sympathy (although the lack of a system would still be a huge criticism) but the fact is, he's bought awfully whilst our rivals have bought well. We have no clear method of playing, we aren't good defensively or offensively & have almost every player struggling for form...all points to the manager.
We'll go to Liverpool, draw 0-0 and Mou will make out like he's managing Salford and a draw was the greatest achievement of his career.
What Jose says seems to get worse by the week. It's negative, doesn't help the players or the fans and helps the press put a more negative spin on things.
But hey, it's all about Mourinho and no one else. Never his fault after all.
But hey, it's all about Mourinho and no one else. Never his fault after all.
You’ve singled out the two players who should’ve been replaced a long time ago, that doesn’t hold true for the whole squad. There’s plenty of talent, I’m not saying undeniably world class talent but talent none the less, in this squad.
Pogba’s a lost soul, Lukaku’s lost the plot, Martials’ up an down, Sanchez turned to shite, Fred has been disregarded after half a season. You see a recurring theme here? The players have to take accountability for themselves but so suggest Jose has no talent to work with is wrong. He’s the one who bought these players in so even if they are shite it’s on him
I think it was supposed to be Sanchez however unsurprisingly he performs nowhere near to his abilities like we know he can, basically like every player in our team. We all know players like Sanchez, Martial, Pogba and maybe Rashford would be difficult to stop if we had a positive attacking manager.
You really are a strawman. The point of the post was to show that Mourinho was indirectly saying his squad wasn't good enough at Chelsea. A squad that won the league the next season.
The point is that when things go wrong, in Mourinho's mind, it's always because the squad isn't good enough.
Really is quite funny how the Liverpool manager seems to rate this United squad far more than Jose and his acolytes who believe we have mid table quality
Pep has also said more complimentary things about the squad than Jose has
Same with Sarri and Pep. Of course opposition managers talk up the team they are facing but any man with a brain would see we have some quality.
Yep agree - it should have been Pogba, should have been Lukaku, should have been Sanchez. You can give manager's some leeway given how hard finding talent is (Morata at Chelsea, Bravo at City etc) but to have so many players drop a level (or 10!) when they get here points right at Mourinho.
Then why did he take them to 16th after winning the league the previous season, why did they then go on 16 game unbeaten run after hiring Huddink? Why did they then win the league the following season? Despite Mourinho being adamant it was the players fault not his?
Gullible.
I'd say he is yet again sniping at the board and saying he didn't get the right house, whatever that is. I haven't a clue what he is talking about.
So that is why he is buying a load of tallboys.
"Sack me"I haven't a clue what he is talking about.
This x 1000. It really boils my piss.
And I don’t really mind Rojo, unless he’s playing at left back.
Really is quite funny how the Liverpool manager seems to rate this United squad far more than Jose and his acolytes who believe we have mid table quality
Pep has also said more complimentary things about the squad than Jose has
Same with the Chelsea manager.
Of course managers do tend to pay respect to their opponents regardless of how much correlation that has to their quality. However it is ironic to hear opponents praise our squad and our own manager berate it.
Wish someone would listen to him.
Woodward has to find a replacement, get the compensation for Jose approved and many things. All this will take time.
But as of now he is busy travelling to US and other countries trying to get new commercial partners, before he could go on his month long holiday vacations.
Please standby.
Why is he still here? Some euthanise his poisonous relation to the club already, please.
Jose's is very good a making the potential game sound depressing before the eventuality of it kicks off.
Yay.
Yay.
United -De Gea-Valencia-Smalling-Lindelof-Shaw-Matic-Fellaini-Pogba-Mata-Lukaku-Sanchez is what Mourinho was trying to play leaving Martial/Rashford on the bench until recently
Liverpool - Allison-Arnold-Gomez-Van Dijk-Robertson-Henderson-Keita-Wijnaldum-Salah-Firmino-Mane
Spurs- Lloris-Tripper-Alderweireld-Vertonghen-Davies-Dier-Alli-Winks-Eriksen-Kane-Son
Chelsea - Kepa-Azpilicueta-Rudiger-Luiz-Alonso-Jorginho-Kante-Kovacic-Willian-Morata-Hazard.
I would argue when looking at those teams despite agreeing with you on the tactis Mourinho is using are shite that his 400 million pound signings have not worked out well also. To sum it up our defence is far worse than any of the other teams. Our midfield is slow and without any quick passing ability and lacking movement. The attack that Mourinho has started with is just well behind the other teams also. The sad fact is that hardly any of our players would be in a XI of these squads.
I belive De Gea - Dalot-New Cb-New CB - Shaw- New DM, Pogba,New playmaker/passer - New RW-Rashford-Martial is the way forward and shows how big the gaps are in the starting 11. I would keep Smalling,Herrera,Mata,Lindelof,Tuanzebe,Peireira,Lingard but I think Bailly,Jones,Rojo,Young(due to age),Valencia,McTominay,Darmian,Fellaini,Matic,Sanchez,Lukaku,Fred should be moved on as not being good enough. On the other hand players like Chong,Gomes,Garner,Greenwood,Laird,O Connor,Traore are young players of immense potential and should be a part of the first team squad. Say United would be able to sign Koulibaly,De Jong,Kante,Lozano,Sancho,Icardi after getting rid of the previously named players sold
De Gea - Dalot-Lindelof-Koulibaly-Shaw-Kante-Pogba-De Jong-Rashford-Icardi-Martial with Lozano,Sancho,Smalling,Herrera,Mata,Tuanzebe,Peireira,Lingard+Chong,Gomes,Garner,Greenwood,Laird,OConnor,Traore making up the squad would be a very exciting move. I know some will say that is not realistic but why? We should fetch a bit of money for the outgoing players and what is the alternitive? Keep plonkering on with a squad lacking in passing ability,creativity,speed and movement?
Difference with Klopp and Mourinho
Klopp in regards to other clubs spending money 2 years ago
Mourinho in regards to other clubs spending money just comes out with a defeatist attitude and complains about his players.
Klopp in regards to other clubs spending money 2 years ago
Mourinho in regards to other clubs spending money just comes out with a defeatist attitude and complains about his players.
Which is why people should stop getting worked up about his press conferences.
I think the hilarious part on caf is many people are expression shock and horror that Jose is cocky and when it gets bad, he gets real dirty and does not own his mistakes at all. Part of the reason several people did not want Jose in the first place was because he was like that, despite his attractive list of achievements.
This is kind of expected behavior from Jose, when he is pushed to a corner. He has been like this for ages.
He should just be disappeared by the board.
Put him on enforced garden leave pending a disciplinary charge of bringing the club into disrepute.
That's a de facto gagging clause which he won't be able to keep to. He breaches the terms of that, then he doesn't get a payout.
There are ways to track any leaks back to source if you need to.
Total radio silence will hurt the narcissist far more than denying him the payday.
Offer him this as a cover story.
"Manchester United announced that Jose Mourinho has been given a leave of absence to pursue medical treatment until further notice. Team affairs will be managed on an interim basis by x.
The club wishes Jose a speedy recovery and asks that his privacy is repected by all."
Check him out of the hotel and drive him down to London before making the announcement.
Put him on enforced garden leave pending a disciplinary charge of bringing the club into disrepute.
That's a de facto gagging clause which he won't be able to keep to. He breaches the terms of that, then he doesn't get a payout.
There are ways to track any leaks back to source if you need to.
Total radio silence will hurt the narcissist far more than denying him the payday.
Offer him this as a cover story.
"Manchester United announced that Jose Mourinho has been given a leave of absence to pursue medical treatment until further notice. Team affairs will be managed on an interim basis by x.
The club wishes Jose a speedy recovery and asks that his privacy is repected by all."
Check him out of the hotel and drive him down to London before making the announcement.
That's mostly due to the players Jose picks. I am not convinced Valencia-Smalling-Lindelof-Shaw is worse than Arnold-Gomez-Van Dijk-Robertson. Matic-Fellaini-Pogba could easily be replaced with Herrera - Pogba - Fred. Are these players really worse than Henderson-Keita-Wijnaldum? Don't think so as well. If Jose picks the players based on how tall they are instead of skill it doesn't mean our team is crap. Even the Chelsea team is nothing special. Luiz and Alonso are not good enough, Willian is overrated, Morata is... Morata but Sarri needed like 3 months to improve the team while Jose needs who knows how many years and money wasted.
Press conference: "I won three prizes at the village fete before I had these gnomes forced on me."
Really is quite funny how the Liverpool manager seems to rate this United squad far more than Jose and his acolytes who believe we have mid table quality
Pep has also said more complimentary things about the squad than Jose has
Sarri said we might have the best squad in the PL player for player. Might be an exaggeration but all these coaches know we have quality. And all of them would get more out of it
If I compare Valencia-Smalling-Lindelof-Shaw vs Arnold-Gomez-Van Dijk-Robertson I think Arnold-Gomez-Van Dijk Robertson/Shaw would be the choice. Why? Arnold is a modern, young attacking fullback vs a 33 year old former winger of very limited attacking ability. Gomez is a 21 year old that has great pace,compousure and ability vs Lindelof that is improving but Gomez would get my pick. Van Dijk vs Smalling is a no brainer. We laughed at Liverpool when they bought Van Dijk for 75 million but I think we would have liked to sign him in hindsight. He has all the defensive capabilities of Smalling + being able to pass the football. In Shaw vs Robertson you could make the case they are on par as players but Robertson has been very consistent since signing for Liverpool while Shaw has just this season shown his true self. While I agree with you that Herrera and Fred should be tried alongside Pogba I would never agree that this midfield unit would be better than what Chelsea,Spurs and Liverpool have. Fred has been awful and no matter how much I like Herrera mostly due to his commitment neither of them has shown any prove of being in the same class as Kante,Dier,Alli,Henderson for example. Henderson is a very effective player in his anchor role for Liverpool.
It's all very subjective. Let's not forget that some managers make certain players look much better. Liverpool team look nothing special to me on paper and it's mostly down to Klopp that they reached CL finals last season and are still the only team unbeaten in the league. I just think that City obviously have the best squad but then there is not much between us, Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs, certainly not 16 (will likely be 19 in 2 days) points difference after 16 matches.
Really is quite funny how the Liverpool manager seems to rate this United squad far more than Jose and his acolytes who believe we have mid table quality
Pep has also said more complimentary things about the squad than Jose has
Every manager says that of any team they play.
They certainly look 26 goals better than us, 16 points(possibly 19 after sunday) better,sitting in 1 place while we are in 6 place better and in doing so playing football that´s enjoyable to watch so sadly and as much as I dislike Liverpool the prove is just there for all to see. We are just miles behind Liverpool,City,Spurs,Chelsea and even Arsenal are looking much better then us. How much of that is due to Mourinho mangement or the quailty of the players will come to light in the future(hopefully) but those looking at our squad and kidding themselfs that we have a similar squad as the top 4 teams really need to wake up. We have made really bad signings in the past 6 years with only a few of them working out.
I simply think these managers have got much more out of their players than Mourinho has. While many of their players would be an upgrade. I honestly think, you could swap some of our players with our rivals players and Utd players will perform better in the other teams than the rivals players in Utds team.
You look at many of the signings and at the time, many of them were either laughed at or not as 'good' as our signings.
I very firmly believe, that if Utd were given 1 of the top players in each of our rivals team. They'd improve this team but they'd not perform half aswell in this Utd team as they do in their own team and for me that's very very much on the tactics.
Mourinho has seriously underperformed this season with what he has. He needs to go and Utd need a new modern progressive manager. Won't be easy and Utd do need improvements but the difference between this Utd side & Liverpool,Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs isn't significant they're just much much better coached and actually play like a team.
I agree with you that Mourinho needs to go and I want Eddie Howe+Carrick+McKenna+a proven DOF. I also agree that some of our players would have faired better under other managers but it´s also a fact that many of the Mourinho signings have just not been good enough. For him coming out today and saying it´s not his team after spending 400 million + Sanchez deal is just bang out of order. We do not have to go far back in time to having a x number of United players in the XI of the best players in the league but we are far from those times today. Others have taken massive steps forward while we have gone backwards despite spending 600-700 million pounds on players since Fergie left.
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