Exactly. He should be rid of ASAP.
How some STILL make excuses for him is amazing.
Why he has this cult-like following from United fans beggars belief.
I don't even think he has this following from Chelsea, Inter, Real or Porto fans.
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Exactly. He should be rid of ASAP.
How some STILL make excuses for him is amazing.
Why he has this cult-like following from United fans beggars belief.
I don't even think he has this following from Chelsea, Inter, Real or Porto fans.
We know from history that Zidane is proud and thin skinned like Jose.
Obviously he carries the weight of being one of the greatest players of all time... and I'd like to see him come if Jose was forced out... but I don't see much difference in temperament.
I could easily see him clashing with Woodward or a Pogba type and quitting again.
In the case of Jose, he's older and has burned more bridges so he can't impetuously quit like he could in the past.
You don't see a difference in temperament?
Have you listened to Jose's pressers this season?
He gave up on this season from the start and has created a toxic environment throughout the season. Tarnishing the squad, the club and everything to absolve himself of any blame.
He's pissed he didn't get his signings... but he hasn't quit trying to win.
You can see his satisfaction when we've come back from behind against even poor sides.
You can dislike him and his methods... but I don't think he's stopped trying to win.
Managers shouldn't be in charge of transfer. There's no guarantee the next manager is going to get it right in transfers either, is there ? You simply need to have a strategy and target several players that you think gonna fit the club whoever the manager is. I want us to reach the level of other top clubs who chop and change their managers and the team stays exactly the same or with few tweaks without needing for an overhaul.
Currently I can see the next manager getting rid of half of Mourinho signings at least like Mourinho himself tried to do with LVG signings, and what LVG did with the squad Moyes left. This is a terrible position to be in. We shouldn't give the managers any power of transfer. We should get a good DOF that fits the clubs strategy (if there's any) and let them choose targets that are going to benefit any manager. Which manager is going to benefit from such a lump as Lukaku ? Really only Mourinho was going to sign such a shite technical striker as this one. The next manager isn't going to endure such a useless lump with no first touch. We signed Lukaku as if Mourinho is going to stay here forever.
Managers stay only for 3 years at best so it's idiotic from us to base our transfer business completely on their view.
No manager in the history of football has been backed 100%.
Pochettino didn't get any signing(Jose still got 2) and has thoroughly out-coached Jose this season.
And re the bold: that's just not good enough for a Manchester United manager.
Are we supposed to be happy that he's just trying to win?
Go out there and get results and show us some progression.
Some of Jose lineups and tactical decisions this season have been borderline scandalous, which have led many to suspect him of foul play.
Nobody listened when I said that Jose=Hitler...mainly because they can't actually hear me when I write posts on a forum. But that's not the point!1!!
@SteveJ
The 3-finger gesture was actually a reference to The Third Reich.
It all makes perfect sense.
The 3-finger gesture was actually a reference to The Third Reich.
It all makes perfect sense.
They are folks that still feel Moyes should have been given more time. Some people just arent bright.
I think whoever is still supporting Jose at this point cant really have the best interests of the club at heart.
Achtung, rabies.
Some of them have already made their excuses for Sunday. I read one poster saying he suspects Jose will get most of the flack as usual (if we lose) despite our players not putting in shifts as usual .
Cult following indeed .
He did at Chelsea, but that’s understandable. He’s their greatest ever Manager. Their Fergie, for all intents and purposes. The bigger takeaway is that there are any dissenters at all at those clubs. ‘Cos there shouldn’t be. But there are.
All my Chelsea mates kinda hate him, and are in full “told you so” mode atm...Which I initially thought was really weird (as well as playing into the obvious plastic stereotype - even though I’ve known most of them since the Hoddle days) but in retrospect, it says an awful lot when you think about it, that even the club he’s most famous for bringing into the big time, have enough lingering animosity towards him, that sacking him 6 months after winning a title can be universally seen as a good decision..
For all our previously smug superiority toward Chelsea, their business practice of early sackings and short term temporary appointments look stratasferically more professional than our current model. I’d kill for a Gus Hiddink placeholder right about now.
Firstly, thanks for your lengthy response. I must confess, I know I possess a fraction of your intelligence ( and I honestly mean that), so I do feel a bit foolish now...
I guess, it's in my nature to hang on to hope for as long as is possible. That and like you said historically he's one of the most successful managers in the history of the game. Yes, he is clearly a devisive character, but then there have been times when I see a manager who would shoulder the burden and pressure for his players by putting himself in the spotlight. It's clear that players have loved him, and fell under his once famous charisma. Has he changed that much? I must admit its becoming less apparent that he is a player's manager and perhaps he is becoming more and more egotistical and narcissistic.
I think back to Moyes and then LVG, and then reflect on Mourinho who has a track record in the Premiership, and refuse to believe that he is incapable of turning this shit show (partly of his own making)around. Will the romantic, attacking style we once possessed, that of flying wingers and Beckham -esque crosses or mazy runs of Giggs ever return? Unlikely, but the dominant (title winning) teams at Chelsea and Real proved he can combine pragmatism with flair. Didn't his Real team that won La Liga score over 100 goals IIRC.
Anyhow its just my tuppence worth, so don't fret my man....im sure he'll be gone in the summer anyway.
Edit: i look at this generation of players and then compare them to the players we currently have and they are far from the mentality of the players that literally break a leg for the team ( Keano - you bad man). Others like RVN and his relentless pursuit of goals, Cantona, the king who trained like a demon, yet was the most talented, indeed was the catalyst and the inspiration for what was to become the dominant side of the 90s.compare that crop our squad now, and maybe only a handful have the right attitude. Herrera for instance, or the departed Chiccharito.
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He should go now for now he is blaming the management of the club itself for the fact that we are not winning games on the pitch. He is the one who chose the players and they are not performing or he is not even selecting some of them. What happens on the pitch is entirely his problem.
Yet the board influences the chips with which he as to play so to speak. I don't follow every single word that falls out of his mouth (arse?)but see enough headlines to make me winder what the feck he is doing. Almost like he's trying to manufacture his own departure. As much as i'd like him to succeed i think his current temperament will be his own undoing (eventually).
Okay, well now I feel like a dick. I’ll reply proper tomorrow (cos I’m really very drunk now!) but mate, don’t do yourself like that! You most definitely can’t judge our relative intelligence from a late night forum argument about Jose Mourinho. For all I know you're writing an algorithm that'll end up curing cancer, and for all you know I'm masturbating furiously over scrapbook composites of the twins from Sister Sister.... Now, clearly neither of those are true... but at the same time, we both know which one is probably the more likely (Tia was the fitter one, fwiw)
Also it’s really no fun arguing with really nice conscientious people. So you win this round by virtue of sheer unexpected civility. Damn you!
Even if it is true, at least unlike Mourinho you're showing some attacking intent.
I just got the "canne take the strain" page, thought he was sacked
Haha! All good fun my friend.
*nervously deleting my google search history just in case.
Firstly, thanks for your lengthy response. I must confess, I know I possess a fraction of your intelligence ( and I honestly mean that), so I do feel a bit foolish now...
I guess, it's in my nature to hang on to hope for as long as is possible. That and like you said historically he's one of the most successful managers in the history of the game. Yes, he is clearly a devisive character, but then there have been times when I see a manager who would shoulder the burden and pressure for his players by putting himself in the spotlight. It's clear that players have loved him, and fell under his once famous charisma. Has he changed that much? I must admit its becoming less apparent that he is a player's manager and perhaps he is becoming more and more egotistical and narcissistic.
I think back to Moyes and then LVG, and then reflect on Mourinho who has a track record in the Premiership, and refuse to believe that he is incapable of turning this shit show (partly of his own making)around. Will the romantic, attacking style we once possessed, that of flying wingers and Beckham -esque crosses or mazy runs of Giggs ever return? Unlikely, but the dominant (title winning) teams at Chelsea and Real proved he can combine pragmatism with flair. Didn't his Real team that won La Liga score over 100 goals IIRC.
Anyhow its just my tuppence worth, so don't fret my man....im sure he'll be gone in the summer anyway.
Edit: i look at this generation of players and then compare them to the players we currently have and they are far from the mentality of the players that literally break a leg for the team ( Keano - you bad man). Others like RVN and his relentless pursuit of goals, Cantona, the king who trained like a demon, yet was the most talented, indeed was the catalyst and the inspiration for what was to become the dominant side of the 90s.compare that crop our squad now, and maybe only a handful have the right attitude. Herrera for instance, or the departed Chiccharito.
Good managers turn to shite all the time though. A decade or so ago Wenger was still highly-regarded because it was assumed he was just going through a poor patch as he built the next great Arsenal side. That turned out to be nonsense - he'd actually just gotten a bit shit. Most of the evidence concerning Mourinho suggests the same thing.
The older generation of players had a good mentality because our manager instilled that in them. People praise Keane all the time but he's the same guy who literally abandoned his country at the World Cup because their approach to training annoyed him. Not to mention the circumstances in which he left the club! He's an absolute diva and a half, even if he's never the sort who'd admit to it. He was brilliant...but because he was a good footballer. Not due to the times he got suspended for terrible challenges before massively important games. That was never leadership - just irresponsibility.
Yeah, maybe I'm burying my head in the sand, that and a misguided sense of loyalty and unintentional bias ( against what i perceive to be an openly unsupportive Woodward, and lack of fight from some of our overpaid players). S'ok I did eventually turn against Moyes and LVG too, just later than many others. Glad its not me making those decisions. Anyway I'm like in millionth place in FFL (fact)so what do I know!
It is. damn him!
Actually I don't feel ridiculous. I like the chap.
Wow. This is so stupid. I've rated you as a good poster before. Now you just ramble on like a bitter drunk. Do not believe in your own hype mate.
Comparing Trump voters to nazis..
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This post can’t be liked enough. It’s such a low key truth bomb.
Keano is frequently underrated as a player (he wasn’t just a hard man, he was genuinely World Class) but he’s also massively overrated as a “leader”...he played for himself, and just happened to do it beneficially in a variety of GOAT teams. Sure, he shouted at people and had high expectations, and was inspirational by default, but he also would’ve left us in an instant if we’d been as shit as we are now.
It’s not just his Ireland WC debacle that proves that, just look at how dismissive he is about our 99 CL win. He’s literally said it’s irrelevant to him, because he wasn’t involved. That’s our captain! I’d rather John Terry full kit wankering it up, than a captain who literally couldn’t care less because he didn’t get to play.
Imagine if one of our players said that now? Imagine Pogba saying it!? The Caf would explode!
David Beckham was 10x the professional and the team player that Keano was. And what? Come at me!
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Hi Steve you’re a lovely fella and all that but I may have to sue you for copyright infringement. @Mockney keep fighting the good fight bedrin - some excellent points there especially re: Keane - if he was in the current squad he’d have flattened Mourinho with a right hook by now in front of the squad.
You guys are loonies with all the crap you make up in your head. Can't do this anymore with you guys anymore, carry onHe’d get away with it too (merit notwithstanding) because he was World Class, and when you’re World Class, people will make excuses for anything you do. Look at Suarez. Or Maradona. Or Gazza. Imagine Joey Barton had jumped into the crowd and kicked a fan? D’you think that’d be considered in anyway iconic? And It still baffles me how John Terry is considered the bigger national villain for sleeping with his mates ex, when Ryan Giggs perpetrated one of the most sociopathically evil bits of adultery you can imagine... but he played well good like, innit?
Sorry, well off topic. Anyway, I’d quite like to fly kick Jose.
Never tired or tldr reading @Mockney 's. Maybe it's time to bring your sofa out, and video posting yourself saying "Mou is a cnut"?
You’re right in fairness. Trump voters are dumber... and not nearly as stylish.
This made me smile. People with differing opinions being civil with each other, on the cafe? How very old skool and decent of you. Good work fellas! Oh and for what it's worth Mockney, drunk or not the original post was spot on...but those melons are twisted not melted, surely
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Everyone agreeing with Mockney is basically saying I was right and deserve to ravage and plunder my way through the forum so be careful what you’re saying.
And their fans more positive than you lot. Most people with cancer are more positive than you.
He himself has many times gotten a response from his players in all the clubs he has managed, including United; Shaw being just one example.
Modric was a new signing and not yet settled at Madrid at the time, as someone else already pointed out. The rest of the Madrid squad did nothing and won nothing for years, and Barcelona was at the peak of its power when Jose got there. Then he won the league, the cup (first one in 20 years or so), and took them to the semis of CL after they haven't gotten into the quarters for like 8 years.
Salah and KDB were not the players they are today; and didn't he sign Salah in the first place? Hazard and Costa had very good two seasons under Jose when they finished second and first in EPL.
Do facts even matter to you people?
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