The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Le Red]

Do people really believe the concept of inspiration from above doesn't apply to football?
Do any of you saying the players should prove him wrong know how demotivating it can be working for a boss who's a prick and who doesn't recognize your value?
Yes they are professionals and they make a ton of cash for playing ball, but they're still human beings and I'd say they are even more psychologically susceptible to this kind of behaviour than the average Joe.
A manager who fails to understand this is not a good manager, period. It doesn't matter if he's good at tactics or whatever simply because he doesn't hold the respect nor the authority needed to assert his players will comply to the plan.
It ain't 2004 anymore. It's a new generation of players, they were raised in a different world, have different background and other values. José obviously can't communicate to this generation as he did to the previous one, and the last shine he had as a red dwarf was at Stamford Bridge because he inherited the morale and authority from his previous spell. After that final EPL victory, he went full supernova.
The people who still believe Mourinho can do it are the same people that believed Wenger still could do it, while it was so blatantly obvious to everyone else that he couldn't. Because of the first group, Arsenal fans had to endure a seemingly never-ending period of utter sadness and humilitation that they are only now starting to recover from. That's what you apologists are doing to Manchester United right now.
Thanks for nothing you braindead lot.

 

[Rajma]

Do people really believe the concept of inspiration from above doesn't apply to football?
Do any of you saying the players should prove him wrong know how demotivating it can be working for a boss who's a prick and who doesn't recognize your value?
Yes they are professionals and they make a ton of cash for playing ball, but they're still human beings and I'd say they are even more psychologically susceptible to this kind of behaviour than the average Joe.
A manager who fails to understand this is not a good manager, period. It doesn't matter if he's good at tactics or whatever simply because he doesn't hold the respect nor the authority needed to assert his players will comply to the plan.
It ain't 2004 anymore. It's a new generation of players, they were raised in a different world, have different background and other values. José obviously can't communicate to this generation as he did to the previous one, and the last shine he had as a red dwarf was at Stamford Bridge because he inherited the morale and authority from his previous spell. After that final EPL victory, he went full supernova.
The people who still believe Mourinho can do it are the same people that believed Wenger still could do it, while it was so blatantly obvious to everyone else that he couldn't. Because of the first group, Arsenal fans had to endure a seemingly never-ending period of utter sadness and humilitation that they are only now starting to recover from. That's what you apologists are doing to Manchester United right now.
Thanks for nothing you braindead lot.

At least with Wenger no matter how blind and out of touch his supporters were in the later stages of his tenure at Arsenal you could at least understand their loyalty to the man given that he brought them a lot of success in the past.

However, what has Jose ever done for United to deserve such Trump like support from some fan groups? Simply baffling.

 

[goin4glory]

He said we need to attack more which is common sense to most of is and is something mou agree upon. For someone who throws people under the bridge with ease mou is indeed thin skinned

I agree Mourinho is a hypocrite, part of the reason I don't want him here much longer but Pogba is still out of line for his comments. There's has to be basic standards at the club that apply to everyone no matter who they are or who the manager is, if you're late to training you get fined no matter who you are etc. Pogba's comments are no acceptable even more so if it's having a dig back at Mourinho.

 

[Seven Seas Sardines]

Mata going Error.404 when reporter asks him about tactics.

Tactics? What's that? We go again for the next game. Hugs.

 

[devilish]

I agree Mourinho is a hypocrite, part of the reason I don't want him here much longer but Pogba is still out of line for his comments. There's has to be basic standards at the club that apply to everyone no matter who they are or who the manager is, if you're late to training you get fined no matter who you are etc. Pogba's comments are no acceptable even more so if it's having a dig back at Mourinho.

The only thing i criticise pogba upon is his showboating. I won't criticise him on the saying something that's common sense and that even mou agrees upon. In my opinion mou has caused this situation to become a circus to try to deflect pressure upon himself. Pogba is not the first or only man who found being thrown under the bus by him and that include the most professional and talented player in the world aka Cristiano Ronaldo

 

[SteveJ]

'He's only taking the pressure off the players...by putting the pressure on the players.'

 

[Revaulx]

No silly

Start a revolution

Ah. Ok!

 

[Infra-red]

Looks like the taps have been turned off - no signings likely in January.

The chances of Mourinho still being United manager in June must now be zero.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...singly-angry-manchester-united-lack-transfer/

A source close to Mourinho said last night: "Nobody important from the board of directors was there in Valencia. We are near the beginning of the transfer window and nobody knows anything. They are not working on selling players, they are not working on buying players. And they have 58 scouts and three scouting bosses. It is ridiculous. Jose believes this is not the best way to rule a football club."

 

[Patrick08]

You are saying our midfielders do not control the middle of the pitch like Sissoko, Wanyawa or Dembele do?

Yes, dembele, dier, wayanama do it way better than Pogba, fellani and current matic does.

 

[Adisa]

I think it's ridiculous that the entire club shuts down cause it has a lane duck manager.
Sack him now and restructure the e tire club ffs!

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Nothing wrong at all with what Jose said post match. Players who moan they dont play get given a chance in a no pressure game, produce that and somehow hes supposed to be full of praise. Are you lot for real?

People can make any excuse they like. fact is, under Fergie we had fringe player come in and work their bollocks off. Last night we had players who couldnt be arsed. Not until the subs came on and put some fight in anyway.

Heres a challenge for you, what was Mourinho supposed to learn from the performance of that 11 last night?

Except Mourinho is supposed to ensure he has a team that's performing and motivated. Some people here act if we've paid him to judge the team rather than manage the team.

"He's shit. Hmm. I expected that loss."

 

[Suedesi]

Not sure if it's posted already

 

[freeurmind]

Not sure if it's posted already

I don't think I've heard Mourinho accept responsibility for the performances even once or admit he got tactics wrong. It's always the players failed to carry out his genius plans.

 

[SteveJ]

A source close to Mourinho said "Any old shit that exonerates Jose."

 

[Suedesi]

I publicly admit to voting no because no one has yet provided a viable path to success other than change managers again and hope for the best.

For the situation to improve we'd need to hire a manager of Jose's stature who can attract world class players

The manager would have to be able to secure the services of the likes of DDG, Pogba, Martial, Sanchez... or fire them where necessary and replace them with equal or better players.

The manager would have to recreate a stalwart defense without spending a lot of money... Valencia and Young are getting old... though Ashley still played decently this season... but in my eyes only Shaw played well and he still gets hurt a lot. Lindelof went from shambles to tolerable. But I don't know how anyone does better here without spending money.

Matic needs to be replaced as he's slowing down... unless you all believe he's playing like shit on purpose because he dislikes a manager who won't drop him.

Pogba needs to play box to box... instead of just offense.

Herrera, Mata, Fellaini have proven to be good loyal squad players... but a better player needs to be signed as a starter... none of those three have failed because of Mourinho's antics... maybe Herrera has been mistreated... but his performances have been erratic for the most part before Jose. Mata is skilled but limited physically... Fellaini is physical but limited skillwise.

My main criticism of Jose in the midfield is he played McTominay too much, and Pereira too little... as well as the signing of Fred... but according to him Fred only sucks because the defense is poor. I suppose I'd have to see Fred play with a good back four to know if Jose is right or merely making excuses.

He's played Lukaku too much, but whenever he's put Rashford and Lingard in for long periods... they've failed to take over his job and rise to the occasion. He's forced to keep using him because no one has done better, save Martial on the left who is immensely talented but still green and inconsistent.

Morata did no better... so it's hard to condemn him for the signing other than to wish in hindsight he was able to do better kissing Griezmann's prima donna ass, lure Aguero away when he was unhappy about being benched for Gabriel Jesus, or lure Diego Costa somehow.

I don't see how Pochettino changes all this. I don't see how being an inspiration makes Young, Valencia, Matic young... or replaces them with world class players. I don't see how being an inspiration makes Rashford and Lingard finish their chances... Maybe he keeps Martial and Pogba in the fold... but does he recruit new ones... especially as the board as decided to let the well run dry for awhile?

After watching the Valencia game... I too wanted a change... I felt exhausted from the constant disappointment of lackluster performances.

It's absolutely grueling watching them struggle against mediocre sides.

But unless your theory is that everyone is collectively on strike... I don't see how anything changes with a new manager and no major purchases

As I said earlier Martial and Shaw were both treated the worst yet still played well. What's the excuse of all those who were given chances over and over like Lukaku unable to score at home for 14 hours... or Matic who rewarded Jose's loyalty by constantly giving the ball away... or Lindelof and Smalling repeatedly making mindbogglingly poor mental errors?

It's the one's who Jose has given chances who are poor more than the one's who've been left out of the lineup... and as he said... when he puts them front in center in key games... instead of rising to the occasion... they've shown nothing.

I agree Jose can be a temperamental bitch but he's a passionate man from a more demonstrative culture... it's worked for him in the past to inspire... and it's also caused him to alienate people.

But the players have saved his job several times this year... so I think the narrative of him ruining the morale is overstated... they wouldn't have made all those comebacks if they truly wanted him gone. I think it's a few vocal alpha types on the squad who might want him gone... but I don't think they all are playing poorly in revolt.

I genuinely think they just aren't good enough and I'm a scared a new coach won't change much without replacing the defense and finding a better striker.

So persist with Jose, who's responsible for the awful recruiting, and performance of said players?

 

[RedDevil@84]

I don't think I've heard Mourinho accept responsibility for the performances even once or admit he got tactics wrong. It's always the players failed to carry out his genius plans.

As opposed to other managers like Klopp and Pep who come out in post match press conferences after a loss and say, " I am sorry. My tactics were crap and my subs made it all the more worse. I am an a** and apologise to the club for hiring me"

 

[RedDevil@84]

Not sure if it's posted already

I guess players would have said all this if they were forced to have press conferences before and after every match and the press grilled them on why they were good in some matches, but super crap in other games.

I am not trying to support Jose's constant moaning about players, but we hear manager talk more s**t because he is forced to talk more frequently.

 

[Suedesi]

At least with Wenger no matter how blind and out of touch his supporters were in the later stages of his tenure at Arsenal you could at least understand their loyalty to the man given that he brought them a lot of success in the past.

However, what has Jose ever done for United to deserve such Trump like support from some fan groups? Simply baffling.

Both speak English like it's their second language, and both have a history of colluding with shady Russians.

 

[Canagel]

As opposed to other managers like Klopp and Pep who come out in post match press conferences after a loss and say, " I am sorry. My tactics were crap and my subs made it all the more worse. I am an a** and apologise to the club for hiring me"

They have actually done that. Taken some responsibility

https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...responsibility-for-liverpool-defeat-in-naples

https://en.as.com/en/2017/01/08/football/1483876656_522853.html

 

[SteveJ]

Both speak English like it's their second language, and both have a history of colluding with shady Russians.

Both are fond of leaks too.

 

[mav_9me]

We are in limbo. Meandering along till we fire Jose. A wasted year/season. I cannot believe the board is willing to watch a season go waste like this.

If I was a player and had options I would definitely not join united. They clearly don't care about wasting seasons. And the players have only so much time. Whether you think Pogba/Lukaku/martial/DDG etc are playing well or not this is one year of their prime wasted without any effort to redeem it. And while some of the blame is on them clearly the majority of it is on Jose.

Wasting a season for fecking 20m pounds. And then they have the gall to claim richest club in the world.

 

[Suedesi]

Both are fond of leaks too.

I guess both love hotels too

 

[RedDevil@84]

They have actually done that. Taken some responsibility

https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...responsibility-for-liverpool-defeat-in-naples

https://en.as.com/en/2017/01/08/football/1483876656_522853.html

The poster was asking for the manager to accept that his tactics were wrong as if it were some kind of norm that managers do. If we are talking about isolated incidents, Mourinho did bow and apologise to fans for the 4-0 loss.

Anyways, my point is it is not a common thing for managers to come out and say that it was because of his tactics. And it is not something I would expect manager to keep doing. Least of all someone as cocky as Jose.

 

[liamp]

In that Telegraph article:

A source close to Mourinho said last night: “Nobody important from the board of directors was there in Valencia. We are near the beginning of the transfer window and nobody knows anything.

“They are not working on selling players, they are not working on buying players. And they have 58 scouts and three scouting bosses. It is ridiculous. Jose believes this is not the best way to rule a football club.”

A United spokesman confirmed that Woodward was in America on business on Wednesday night and that Richard Arnold, United’s group managing director, was present in Valencia, along with Cliff Baty, the club’s chief financial officer, and Collette Roche, the chief operations officer. Rebecca Britain, United’s club secretary, was also present. “Effectively they are the most senior people in the organisation under Ed,” the spokesman said.

Nonetheless, Mourinho’s associate was unimpressed. “What importance have those guys in team matters?” he said.

Jesus fecking christ. They're communicating through Ducker.

 

[MackRobinson]

Modric says Hello, and the whole Madrid team.

Followed by Salah , KDB , Hazard and Costa !!

The players who are grossly under performing are Matic, Lukaku, Pogba, Fred, Baily, Sanchez and all of them are Jose signings.

Take note of how he won't address the obvious and correct examples you pointed out. He either reply to you and shift goalposts or outright not respond to your examples.

 

[Rash Decision]

In that Telegraph article:







Jesus fecking christ. They're communicating through Ducker.

Whatever the board's faults, Mourinho has some cheek criticising them in the press for not giving him more money to spend when he has his £400 mil team in shambles.

And the board better be working on getting Mourinho replaced if it's true they're not working on buying or selling players.

 

[Fracture90]

Tactics? What's that? We go again for the next game. Hugs.

He got bamboozled with that question alright.

I don't think I've heard Mourinho accept responsibility for the performances even once or admit he got tactics wrong. It's always the players failed to carry out his genius plans.

And some people here are preaching that some players should prove him wrong! Wonder how would that go considering it would be basically him admitting a mistake, something he's never done with us.

We saw him dropping Martial during first and 2nd season after great performances only giving him opportunity to have an extended run of games this season due to injuries, then coming out with that generic bs "he's improved now" to defend his mind-boggling decision to drop him when he was on form last season and to make it look he's doing something better this season which is bs, he's playing the same way.

We saw him praising Shaw to be "among the best LB's in the league" last season only to inexplicably drop him yet again. Same thing like with Martial, he got the opportunity this season due to injuries and WC fatigue of regular players. When you take all that into consideration, Mourinho doesn't strike me as a manager all that willing to allow players to prove him wrong.

 

[MSE202]

Mourinho will never accept responsibility for a negative result or poor performances, it’s not in his character. He will never resign from united as that would be accepting defeat and that he has done a poor job.

Unfortunately the board won’t pull the trigger either as they believe it’s costly and will generate negative press. Take the report before the Newcastle game for instance, the amount of ex reds that came out and publicly backed mourinho was ridiculous.

This man is making the club a joke this season but unfortunately I think we are stuck with him a while longer. I can see another transfer with no activity as the club don’t trust his judgement anymore. Strap on the seat belts. We’re in for a rough ride this season.

 

[WensleyMU]

Modric says Hello, and the whole Madrid team.

Followed by Salah , KDB , Hazard and Costa !!

The players who are grossly under performing are Matic, Lukaku, Pogba, Fred, Baily, Sanchez and all of them are Jose signings.

Wooosh... Right over yours and others heads. Unsurprisingly so in this circle jerk thread...

Modric started slow in Madrid, just as he did at Spurs. He spent one season with Mourinho and La Liga fans voted him a flop.

Salah and KDB are terrible examples. May as well call Guardiola out about Sancho while we are at it, or Foden when he inevitably leaves.

Hazard won POTY with Mourinho as manager... Hazard himself has spoken of how he failed in Mourinhos last season. Costa was booted out by the next manager...

 

[MuranoLover]

Just wondering - is it true we have 58 scouts and they have 3 bosses in addition ?

 

[Robbie Boy]

Unsurprisingly so in this circle jerk thread......

All the jerking and soon there will be climax when he fecks off

 

[Eric's Seagull]

I have no idea how a manager of Mourinhos experience doesn't know the basic fundamentals of football:
1) Changing the team every week results in inconsistent results - especially if you are already short of confidence and playing badly.
2) Putting players not in their natural position and/or not playing to their strengths leads to poor performance which leads to drop in confidence which leads to poor performance.
3) Publicly slating players, the board, the performance (whatever) leads to disruption in the dressing room and poor confidence and poor results
4) Creating a siege mentality - us vs them, working hard, playing the same team (baring injuries), defending your team no matter what, building on good results - will usually eventually lead to consistency.
5) New players, especially foreign players and young players find it easier to integrate with a winning team.

Yes there are unforeseen circumstances - injuries, poor form etc But generally you just cannot do the above and expect anything other than the results we are getting. Its idiotic. Yes you can say but the players are not delivering. Agreed and if one player or two players are not performing - swap them. But if your whole team is not performing you work harder, praise them more and play them consistently until they come into form. You have no other choice.

Great post mate.

I think that Jose needs to realise that by benching a player for x amount of games after one bad game shatters their confidence. It could make them scared to try out new things as it means they are going to get dropped.

If someone makes a mistake put him in next game as there is a chance he could be in a similar position to where he made the mistake last game and have learned from it and then me makes the correct decision this time. Showing Jose he has the intellect to know he did wrong and that he has the capability of rectifying it.

 

[JPRouve]

No because that would be awful man management.

This answer made me think about something. People tend to look down on players that are the "product of the system", you know these players that are surprisingly good for a manager but not good for others. I don't think that we have seen that once under Mourinho which in my point is a strange thing when we are talking about a manager labelled as the best.

 

[Escobar]

Our board is as shit as Jose. I wouldnt be surprised if there is a clause in his contract that if he does not reach top 4, we dont have to pay anything. So we are waiting in order to save some money

 

[Negan]

I am “Jose In” however I can see everyone’s frustrations with the man.

Do I think anyone could do better than 2nd with this group of players? NO. Hence why I’m content with giving Mourinho more time and money to rebuild.

No matter what way you spin it, that defence is a shambles. It’s a disgrace that we have a back four of Ferguson era players who were never good enough in the first place (Valencia/Smalling/Jones/Young)... that’s the main issue for me. We’ll never win anything with that shower of shite at the back. Not when our rivals are happily splashing the big bucks on elite defenders like Van Dijk, Laporte, Mendy, Walker, etc.

 

[redtony]

I am “Jose In” however I can see everyone’s frustrations with the man.

Do I think anyone could do better than 2nd with this group of players? NO. Hence why I’m content with giving Mourinho more time and money to rebuild.

No matter what way you spin it, that defence is a shambles. It’s a disgrace that we have a back four of Ferguson era players who were never good enough in the first place (Valencia/Smalling/Jones/Young)... that’s the main issue for me. We’ll never win anything with that shower of shite at the back. Not when our rivals are happily splashing the big bucks on elite defenders like Van Dijk, Laporte, Mendy, Walker, etc.

And you're aware he's spent £60m on cb pairing? And has spent 400m to improve the team and it hasn't improved at all.

Its dire.

 

[Roboc7]

I am “Jose In” however I can see everyone’s frustrations with the man.

Do I think anyone could do better than 2nd with this group of players? NO. Hence why I’m content with giving Mourinho more time and money to rebuild.

No matter what way you spin it, that defence is a shambles. It’s a disgrace that we have a back four of Ferguson era players who were never good enough in the first place (Valencia/Smalling/Jones/Young)... that’s the main issue for me. We’ll never win anything with that shower of shite at the back. Not when our rivals are happily splashing the big bucks on elite defenders like Van Dijk, Laporte, Mendy, Walker, etc.

What is he building/rebuilding though?. If anything he has to start all over again, he isn’t even making some sort of progress in any area.

 

[Xixak17]

I'm praying for a 6-0 battering from Liverpool so that the board have to sack him.

Call me a fake fan for wanting United to lose to the Scousers if you want, but in the long-term it'd be of tremendous benefit to the club if it means that Jose is out the door.

 

[Slysi17]

God I want the fecker sacked. Just a hypothetical question for you guys. In the unlikely scenario of Manchester United being mathematically out of the top four race but still in the champions league, can we sack him without paying out his full compensation. Been wondering about this. Hoping that's the case to give us a chance to repeat what Chelsea did in 2012.

 

[Renegade]

I'm praying for a 6-0 battering from Liverpool so that the board have to sack him.

Call me a fake fan for wanting United to lose to the Scousers if you want, but in the long-term it'd be of tremendous benefit to the club if it means that Jose is out the door.

I rather lose 6-0 to another team to get the same outcome.

Can you imagine the decades and decades of replays & mentions we’d have to watch or hear of a 6-0 loss to Liverpool? You think it was bad when Gerrard kissed the camera or Aguero’s last minute goal. I wouldn’t be able to bare it. No chance. Rather 1 more week of José thanks.