Those 2 games against Sevilla tho, those were pretty goddamn awful.
Also some games in EL.
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Those 2 games against Sevilla tho, those were pretty goddamn awful.
Also some games in EL.
Seville and Brighton were definitely up there with the worst of LVG but the difference is that those sort of games were happening week in week out with him and Moyes.
Every team plays crap from time to time. Even media darlings like Liverpool.
City last season less so but they were an absolute exception.
I was responding to a comment that even the worst games under Mourinho had nothing on LVG games, which I don't consider to be true hence why I mentioned those 2 games and some EL games as well.
Not to mention against the stronger sides.
Thanks for sharing the video. Truly fantastic
I hope he sticks around for another 5 years. I really fecking do. Also Fellaini has to stay long enough to get his testimonial.
I used to believe Arsenal in the past decade had been a social experiment of how much a fan can stand without losing his mind with all that things they had to witness. And I believe it's going to get worse over there with Kroenke buying Usmanov shares.
I consider Spurs to be a small club building its way to the top in a very respectful way, I respect the club for what it has done even though they havent achieved anything yet and as the small club I consider them to be, they have done wonders considering they're income compared to the likes of the old top 4 is minimal. Even with the low income, they managed to build an excellent team, build a stadium and run things in a really organized way.
When I said Jose has had to work in torrid conditions I meant that:
1. The fanbase is hugely divided, even though match going fans seem to be fully behind him, here in the caf or in Football Twitter, the fanbase goes from bashing him 1 week to praising him the next and then back to bashing him. I'm sure it somehow affects in someway himself or the players because they all have access to that social media.
2. The board behind him isn't convinced by his methods. Yes, he has spent a lot of money, yes, his wage bill is huge but I mean, we're Manchester United, we haven't won the league since 2013, thats 5 years without winning the league and in and out of the European elite, we need to win NOW. Not next season, not in a few years when the "Worldclass youngsters" turn into world class players. If he buys a player and he ends up not being good enough, they should back him to get rid and cut on the losses and buy someone who can do the job, that's what happened on City with Pep and something that we saw happened in LFC with the goalkeeper issue. Somehow the board has managed to build into all whats happened the richest sports franchise in the world but still, how long are they going to be able to keep on building if every day more and more fans are growing unhappy with all the drama and issues going on in the club that somehow always manage to become public. Oh and they build this empire while completely ignoring the obvious need to bring in people to take care of the football matters.
3. The players sometimes have let him down. I've seen many comments about him being out-dated, his football being "jurassic". Reality is, he received a dismantled team, tried to build on that team and sometimes this players still here, let him down. I mean, he has won many matches on paper but what can he do if the center backs forget what they're supposed to be doing on the pitch? Or if the full back doesn't come back fast enough after bombing forward and is found out? Or if the, and this is the part that annoys me the most, the God damn strikers somehow forget to shoot when they face the goal and have a clear goal opportunity.
I apologize if I didn't make myself clear when I made the torrid comment, working at Manchester United is what most of us have dreamed since we're little kids in anyway possible but I'm a firm believer of what Sir Alex used to say: "The most important role in the club is the manager".
I've wanted him sacked since before Sevilla, but lost interest in the MourinhOut express once we surpassed 20 chances per game against Tottenham and Burnley. We might be looking at a new United, so spare yourselves the angst and anxiety until after the WWW games (Watford, Wolves, West Ham).
If we keep going like we've done these past two games and rack up 20 chances each game and a WWW record it's obvious that McKenna has transformed our attacking play and everyone will be a lot happier in and around the club. Pogba might even stop crying and Martial might flourish with the amount of chances we get.
These are exciting times guys!
If we keep going like we've done these past two games and rack up 20 chances each game and a WWW record it's obvious that McKenna has transformed our attacking play and everyone will be a lot happier in and around the club. Pogba might even stop crying and Martial might flourish with the amount of chances we get.
These are exciting times guys!
Not sure if serious hmm.
I'm with you mate.
Had a lot of patience with this guy but his style of play and miserable feckin demeanour is really wearing me down. I mean he has the best job in the world, cheer the feck up won’t you
And you can see how it reflects on the team spirit and dynamic. If my boss at work was so miserable I’d find it hard to get motivated too.
Time to move on and get a manager who loves being here
And you can see how it reflects on the team spirit and dynamic. If my boss at work was so miserable I’d find it hard to get motivated too.
Time to move on and get a manager who loves being here
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ICC chief on Jose regarding the pre season tournament arrangements in America !
"But the managers take it more than anybody, want the right atmosphere, want the right training environment. They want to prepare their team and our tournament has become the best tournament of its kind, and its kind is really to prepare the team, so they take it very seriously."
"And Jose, he's a pain in the butt when it comes to making sure everything is perfect at his training facility. And I would expect whatever teams come over from La Liga are going to torture me too in the same way to make sure that everything is perfect."
Nice to see people understand Jose!
"But the managers take it more than anybody, want the right atmosphere, want the right training environment. They want to prepare their team and our tournament has become the best tournament of its kind, and its kind is really to prepare the team, so they take it very seriously."
"And Jose, he's a pain in the butt when it comes to making sure everything is perfect at his training facility. And I would expect whatever teams come over from La Liga are going to torture me too in the same way to make sure that everything is perfect."
Nice to see people understand Jose!
only players like DDG, Lukaku, Pogba can get into top sides is our main problem ! We haven't addressed our defence and wingers situation rightly in last 5 years !
I really hope that would change soon and when it happens we can enjoy Jose a lot better !!
By selling Darmian/Rojo/Jones/Mata/ and releasing Young / Velencia next year, we can accomdate few more defensive players by not shedding too much money!
Another 100 Mil can fix our defence with 50 on right winger can take us to next level !!
I really hope that would change soon and when it happens we can enjoy Jose a lot better !!
By selling Darmian/Rojo/Jones/Mata/ and releasing Young / Velencia next year, we can accomdate few more defensive players by not shedding too much money!
Another 100 Mil can fix our defence with 50 on right winger can take us to next level !!
Thanks for posting these videos. They are great!
I'm watching the Bobby Robson documentary, and there is an amazing piece of footage from his time at Barca. Jose is sitting right next to him. Robson was called "the worst coach in the world" by the local press, and in the presser following it, Robson says "for being the worst coach in the world, we did good. I read that yesterday. Worst coach in the world. No respect. And I'm angry with all of you" and slaps his hand down and he and Mourinho walk out.
So similar to the Spurs press conference. The fans were writing "Robson feckin bastard" on the walls around the city as well. The United job must be a piece of piss compared to that.
Also found it pretty shit that Van Gaal was turning up to games, pretty much waiting for Robson to get the sack. That a dickhead move.
So similar to the Spurs press conference. The fans were writing "Robson feckin bastard" on the walls around the city as well. The United job must be a piece of piss compared to that.
Also found it pretty shit that Van Gaal was turning up to games, pretty much waiting for Robson to get the sack. That a dickhead move.
Thanks for sharing!
I remember that season very well in particular the away games. Lost at Leicester and the run we went on, including that Norwich game right up until the 1-1 with Chelsea 28th there was a definite feeling LVG was gone had we lost to Chelsea. The pressure at the time I remember was astonishing.
That Stoke game was one of the worst I have ever seen, on one of the longest trips I have ever had to endure on a coach after pissing off my family to attend the game, only to repeat the family annoyance two days later watching them draw with Chelsea!
Was agony that season.
I remember that season very well in particular the away games. Lost at Leicester and the run we went on, including that Norwich game right up until the 1-1 with Chelsea 28th there was a definite feeling LVG was gone had we lost to Chelsea. The pressure at the time I remember was astonishing.
That Stoke game was one of the worst I have ever seen, on one of the longest trips I have ever had to endure on a coach after pissing off my family to attend the game, only to repeat the family annoyance two days later watching them draw with Chelsea!
Was agony that season.
I’d almost forgotten that Stoke game. For the love of all that’s Holy that back header from Memphis...
That Stoke game came directly after LVG stormed out of the presser asking for an apology from them.
Hate these days. This period was utterly depressing.
Hate these days. This period was utterly depressing.
Why hasn't Jose been shown the door? He's spunked millions of pounds on dross, got us playing zombie football, we have no aura about us anymore and teams we would have beaten before kick off now think they can and actually do run us ragged.
Jose OUT!
Jose OUT!
This is a longish discussion, with a person who is "in the know", who makes some valid points.
In a nutshell he says that the problem lies with Woodward and his bosses. The club is being run as a business - money is how success is judged, not results on the pitch.
He also discusses Riaola and states that he is not the head of his company. Apparently it is a Brazilian lady.
In a nutshell he says that the problem lies with Woodward and his bosses. The club is being run as a business - money is how success is judged, not results on the pitch.
He also discusses Riaola and states that he is not the head of his company. Apparently it is a Brazilian lady.
I still can’t see anybody available better than Jose - so what is the point? We’ve been down a dark road before with the previous two, do we want to go even more backwards again? I’ve taken some encouragement from the last couple of performances if i’m honest. Truth is this squad isn’t good enough and our best player so far this season, Luke Shaw will be missing for a while, how unlucky is he. If we get a result at Watford everything will be rosy again - and if anybody can get a result there then it’s likely to be Jose imo. He still is a master tactician imo, and can get more out of a pretty average bunch than most managers.
We are at least 2-3 players from being really competitive at this level - and if The Board and Owners can’t see that then they are delusional, not the manager.
We are at least 2-3 players from being really competitive at this level - and if The Board and Owners can’t see that then they are delusional, not the manager.
See, that's my issue. It's Manchester United - a team that has spent hunderds of millions of pounds on players in recent years, many of them signed by Mourinho - playing Watford away. And you make it sound as if we're going to Camp Nou.
Standards and expectations have fallen.
Yes, I agree mate. We are where we are. I just can’t see anybody else turning this around other than Jose. Who do we turn to next? Especially if The Board say we are not spending any money. No decent manager, if any are available, will be interested.
So there's no manager in the world who we can hire, who can get this group of very talented footballers to play good football?
Yeah, I know that there's almost no one in the world with a CV close to Mourinho's, but him being 'proven' hasn't helped us at all. We need to be smarter and able to look beyond a manager's list of trophies.
I remember that season very well in particular the away games. Lost at Leicester and the run we went on, including that Norwich game right up until the 1-1 with Chelsea 28th there was a definite feeling LVG was gone had we lost to Chelsea. The pressure at the time I remember was astonishing.
That Stoke game was one of the worst I have ever seen, on one of the longest trips I have ever had to endure on a coach after pissing off my family to attend the game, only to repeat the family annoyance two days later watching them draw with Chelsea!
Was agony that season.
We actually drew at Leicester back then, even though they were champions they did not beat us that season. Two 1-1 draws. I remember when the second game came around many people weren’t even bothered about us winning because they had wanted Leicester to win the title.
Still defies belief that Leicester City won the Premier League.
Agree with most of it really, except maybe Mata gets switched out for Lingard more often these days. And regarding big games, I think we did look like we were more willing to overload Tottenham than in the past.
Being manager of United is more than getting players to play "good" football. If that was the case then the managerial options would be vast. Most important is to win. Then there's handling the media and the pressure of leading this club - we saw Moyes and LVG capitulate under the pressure. Not many managers can handle it. And Jose being proven has helped us despite what you're saying - our record has improved and we've won trophies.
The reality is that there aren't many managers who are equipped to operate in this club and deal with everything that comes with it. If you can name some, please go ahead.
And the expectation against Watford isn't mediocrity - it's simply measuring the standards of the current time where Watford are the standout performers. This isn't the Watford of the past. Just like the expectations against Leicester are different because they aren't the same Leicester of the past.
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Good video. Our transitions need to be much, much quicker but it’s unfair to say there’s no plan.
Agreed.
As someone put it brilliantly earlier in the thread, the moment we start accepting mediocrity is the moment we're truly fecked.
A handful of clubs can expect to challenge for the biggest trophies while playing good football. United, thankfully, is one of those.
Anyway let's be positive and hope Mourinho can turn it around.
It's Watford that's won four games, three of them against lower level sides. Not a club bought by an oligarch who has just spent tons of money on new players.
Yeah, they've done well. But we should be better, a lot better, and would have been if we had a manager doing a good job.
Did Moyes and LVG capitulate under the pressure? I think they just did a shit job. The role was always too big for Moyes, while Van Gaal was always hit and miss throughout his career. For United, it was a miss. He did manage to get the team to play his football, but it just wasn't right.
If a manager comes and and does a good job in choosing new players and coaching them well, things around him will become easier. No, - not easy, but easier.
Yeah, pressure is a strange excuse for the failings. As a fanbase, we've arguably put the least amount of pressure on the managers
Watford is still that team with Daryl fecking Janmaat in the first eleven though.
I came across a stat recently which said that we had won 24 consecutive PL games after scoring first in a game. That was far ahead of the next best PL team ( I think it was Liverpool with 7/8 games). That tells me there is something to build upon. On the other hand, last season we were really bad at coming from behind and getting a positive result.
I think both sets of stats tell us that the team is almost there, but does not have the confidence and conviction in itself to take it to the next step. We still haven't reached the maturity and consistency levels that a Mourinho team should have in its third season. Whether this is down to the coaching staff or the players, only somebody on the inside can tell.
I think Mourinho will be given till the end of the season unless things really go south. If our results improve, style of play for the most part also improves, then we should persist with him the next season. I don't expect us to be lifting the PL trophy at the end of the season and I dont think its a fair expectation given the strength of the competition. A 2nd/3rd place with a QF/SF in CL should be enough for me to give him another chance next year.
I think both sets of stats tell us that the team is almost there, but does not have the confidence and conviction in itself to take it to the next step. We still haven't reached the maturity and consistency levels that a Mourinho team should have in its third season. Whether this is down to the coaching staff or the players, only somebody on the inside can tell.
I think Mourinho will be given till the end of the season unless things really go south. If our results improve, style of play for the most part also improves, then we should persist with him the next season. I don't expect us to be lifting the PL trophy at the end of the season and I dont think its a fair expectation given the strength of the competition. A 2nd/3rd place with a QF/SF in CL should be enough for me to give him another chance next year.
Credit where it's due, Jose has got his selection and tactical approach absolutely spot on for this game and we've made a solid outfit in Watford look mediocre as a result.
The players are also 100% behind him, you can see it in their general attitude on the pitch. The fans are constantly singing his name too. If we can sustain this level of performance on the pitch and Jose keeps the terrible statements in the press to an absolute minimum then he may just turn it around.
The players are also 100% behind him, you can see it in their general attitude on the pitch. The fans are constantly singing his name too. If we can sustain this level of performance on the pitch and Jose keeps the terrible statements in the press to an absolute minimum then he may just turn it around.
The snakes have been quiet of late...
Mourinho winning...Smalling scoring...Fellaini MOTM today
Mourinho winning...Smalling scoring...Fellaini MOTM today
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