The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

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    Votes: 2,296 77.1%
  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%
  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%

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I was on about the last 2 seasons not this summers buys. I was saying Pep went for younger players Mou went for older I didnt say 30 plus. Thats why Woody wouldnt sanction another 28/29 year old after Matic. The same as he wouldnt this summer for Alderwierald.

Most of his targets like Lukaku, Lindelof, Fred and Dalot in the last 2 summers were also below age 29.

Again, our attack has only 1 player above 29 (Sanchez), our midfield has 1 above 29 (Matic) and CBs also have none above 29, the oldest one is Smalling, 28. Pretty much all our old players are centered in the full backs area (Valencia and Young). The rest of squad is pretty young.

You can't convince me that adding another 29 years old player to attack or defense is a disaster and will make an aging team with no resale value.

Replace Valencia and Young with Dalot and Shaw and suddenly our main lineup has only 3 players approaching 30. This squad is very young and needs some experience.

Pretty much all top teams in the world have their main core of players +30 with some young talents on the standby awaiting their chances. Look at Madrid team who dominated the last 3 CLs. Marcelo, Ramos, Modric, Kroos, Ronaldo, Bale, Benzema. All were +30, then you have Asensio and Isco waiting on the bench to take over, which is starting to happen after Ronaldo left.

Our squad is mostly young and doesn't have much experience. It needs a calming and leader figure in the defense. There's no problem signing Toby or Perisic when 99% of your defense and attack is actually players below their 26.
 
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Why not plenty of people do it every game from Ireland, Norway, Israel. Or move to Manchester.




Exactly.
Why not ? You sound like a top prick. I am sure the prices are expensive even for some Manchester based fans , let alone somebody from the other end of the globe. 'Or just Move to Manchester'. Right.
 
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It was 2015 not 2014 I was there also. James Wilson scored late on perhaps you left the ground by then :)

Falcao missed a sitter if I recall also early in the game.


Did you chant "4-4-2" against Van Gaal that day?

I didn't chant it but I was fairly fecked off with LVG as time grew on but never voiced it in public. I do not even feel one single percentage of annoyance yet with Jose. Not one.

Things were certainly much much worse under LVG.

So I am struggling to see how people can want Jose out. With LVG I think we all felt it but I do not feel anything like that today.

Sorry I got the dates wrong. You are correct I did leave right when Wilson was about to score. I think Jones was also taking corners? At this point I was supporting LVG still. Overall, yes LVG was worse than Jose but in my opinion Jose is heading the same direction.

Now I can understand if someone wants Jose to stay but to not have "one single percentage of annoyance" sounds ridiculous to me.


You should definitely appreciate them. It's ridiculous to think otherwise. They pay their own money for tickets and travel with the team to other cities just to support the team while we ourselves are just watching the team on TV. Whether they cheer or boo, these are the fans who are actually supporting the club, not social media or internet forum fans like us.

Speak for yourself. Let's see how long a club can sustain itself on match going fans only. We are a GLOBAL club. Everyone supports in their own way. We have the best fans across China, India and Africa. Most of them will never get close to Old Trafford. Really poor from you to downplay those fans.


Why not plenty of people do it every game from Ireland, Norway, Israel. Or move to Manchester.

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So you need to able to afford it, otherwise you are not a fan? How ignorant and arrogant. "Move to Manchester". Yes I am fecking Steve Jobs and will get a nice job anywhere I go? This talk about only match going fans being real fans is pathetic. Grow up. You have no more say on supporting the club as anyone else if you go to games.
 
Why not ? You sound like a top prick. I am sure the prices are expensive even for some Manchester based fans , let alone somebody from the other end of the globe. 'Or just Move to Manchester'. Right.

Typical ignorant "fan" and no doubt United players themselves would appreciate the global fans across the globe but such "supporters" are embarrassing.
 
So ... supporting the club is idiotic now? We should boo the feck out of the team every game until we get what we want like spoiled brats throwing toys out the pram?

I'm sorry, but Real Madrid is that way.

Every game? Don't live in ignorance. It has been three years now and Jose has had millions. If the fans boo after loses that are unacceptable they have every right. And maybe we should take a note out of Madrid's book. They boot their failures out and they WIN trophies
 
Speak for yourself. Let's see how long a club can sustain itself on match going fans only. We are a GLOBAL club. Everyone supports in their own way. We have the best fans across China, India and Africa. Most of them will never get close to Old Trafford. Really poor from you to downplay those fans.

That's not downplaying anyone. That's reality. The ones who pay their money to not just attend games but also to travel alongside the team to other cities just for the sake of supporting the team will always be more highly appreciated and regarded than any social media or internet forum fans like us whose only connection with the club come from watching it on TV then posting on internet about how we're annoyed with the results. These fans actually pay money for attending and travelling to see these results and still support the team.

You said it yourself you can't take a day off and leave your work to attend games. These fans actually do it, and they do it almost every game, taking time to travel to other cities and towns not for any other purpose except giving their support for their team.

Whatever they cheer or boo the team, they earned their right and they must be appreciated for going alongside the team everywhere, enduring the poor results and still giving their support for the manager and players to pass through the tough times. Ridiculous after all that they're called idiotic.

I'm not from England and don't attend matches in stand, so I'm always trying to avoid criticizing the attending fans as much as possible or just doing it on the slightest way possible when they do something I don't like. To simply go on and say they're idiotic it's ridiculous. If you think they're idiots you should go and change it yourself from the stands then.
 
That's not downplaying anyone. That's reality. The ones who pay their money to not just attend games but also to travel alongside the team to other cities just for the sake of supporting the team will always be more highly appreciated and regarded than any social media or internet forum fans like us whose only connection with the club come from watching it on TV then posting on internet about how we're annoyed with the results. These fans actually pay money for attending and travelling to see these results and still support the team.

You said it yourself you can't take a day off and leave your work to attend games. These fans actually do it, and they do it almost every game, taking time to travel to other cities and towns not for any other purpose except giving their support for their team.

Whatever they cheer or boo the team, they earned their right and they must be appreciated for going alongside the team everywhere, enduring the poor results and still giving their support for the manager and players to pass through the tough times. Ridiculous after all that they're called idiotic.

I'm not from England and don't attend matches in stand, so I'm always trying to avoid criticizing the attending fans as much as possible or just doing it on the slightest way possible when they do something I don't like. To simply go on and say they're idiotic it's ridiculous. If you think they're idiots you should go and change it yourself from the stands then.
Not sure about this. In fact I'd guess our global fans bring in more commercial revenue than local ones. Foreign noodle sponsors aren't paying huge money to appeal to local fans in a country they don't even operate. When you add in foreign sponsorships, foreign TV revenue and foreign merchandising one could argue they are just as important as local ones. Of course that's not to understate the historical importance of local fans in helping build the club up from the ground
 
Not sure about this. In fact I'd guess our global fans bring in more commercial revenue than matchgoers. Foreign noodle sponsors aren't paying huge money to appeal to local fans in a country they don't even operate. When you add in foreign sponsorships, foreign TV revenue and foreign merchandising one could argue they are just as important as local matchgoers.

That point is really far away from the main point I'm talking about. Of course the club will seek to form a global brand and will try to get fans in every country. Every club do that and benefit from it. That's not the point I'm talking about. I'm talking about who is actually supporting the team in the field, pay money to watch poor results, endure them and still cheer for the team through the tough times. These are the ones who we talk about when we say we should stand and stick by the team, not the social media and internet fans forum imo.
 
That point is really far away from the main point I'm talking about. Of course the club will seek to form a global brand and will try to get fans in every country. Every club do that and benefit from it. That's not the point I'm talking about. I'm talking about who is actually supporting the team in the field, pay money to watch poor results, endure them and still cheer for the team through the tough times. These are the ones who we talk about when we say we should stand and stick by the team, not the social media and internet fans forum imo.
Get what you're saying. Matchgoers are crucial but to claim they are inherently superior to non-match goers isn't really correct imo. The only advantage they hold over others is geographical and economical ie they are closer and can afford it. Foreign fans balance this out commercially. They are both the lifeblood of the club but in different ways. Historically I'd tip it in favour of matchgoers but we're long past the point of a start up club whose only support comes from attendance
 
Get what you're saying. Matchgoers are crucial but to claim they are inherently superior to non-match goers isn't really correct imo. The only advantage they hold over others is geographical and economical ie they are closer and can afford it. Foreign fans balance this out commercially. They are both the lifeblood of the club but in different ways. Historically I'd tip it in favour of matchgoers but we're long past the point of a start up club whose only revenue comes from attendance

They deserve appreciation for travelling with the team to support the club, that's all I'm saying. Whatever they boo or cheer, they can't be called as idiots because they clapped the manager or players.
 
They deserve appreciation for travelling with the team to support the club, that's all I'm saying. Whatever they boo or cheer, they can't be called as idiots because they clapped the manager or players.
True.
 
They deserve appreciation for travelling with the team to support the club, that's all I'm saying. Whatever they boo or cheer, they can't be called as idiots because they clapped the manager or players.

So match goers can’t be called idiots? What about the ones that sing songs about Hillsborough or Munich ? What about racist ones ? What about those that boo their own player ?

Your logic of match goers having extra rights is nonesense
 
Yeah, we will win the title with this team.

Your expectations are a tad high.

I said "look like" we can't compete for the title. To clarify for you, if we are totally out of the picture for the title race early december, say more than 12 points off, and we don't make it out of group, Mou should be gone. This would give another manager a chance to buy players during the January window and start planning for the future.
 
So match goers can’t be called idiots? What about the ones that sing songs about Hillsborough or Munich ? What about racist ones ? What about those that boo their own player ?

Your logic of match goers having extra rights is nonesense

Please post up a few links to the Hillsborough or Munich songs, I do quite a few aways and have never heard one racist song, I was at Brighton last month and give the players plenty of stick, even a boo, sorry
 
Please post up a few links to the Hillsborough or Munich songs, I do quite a few aways and have never heard one racist song, I was at Brighton last month and give the players plenty of stick, even a boo, sorry

I'm just saying fans at the stadium do this from clubs all over. Match going fans are not "superior" to global fans is all I'm trying to say.
 
I do think United need a ton of improvement. I just can’t stand the overreaction to everything and the belief in the journalists. It makes this place suck unless things are perfect. It’s very hard to have a civil debate.
 
That's not downplaying anyone. That's reality. The ones who pay their money to not just attend games but also to travel alongside the team to other cities just for the sake of supporting the team will always be more highly appreciated and regarded than any social media or internet forum fans like us whose only connection with the club come from watching it on TV then posting on internet about how we're annoyed with the results. These fans actually pay money for attending and travelling to see these results and still support the team.

You said it yourself you can't take a day off and leave your work to attend games. These fans actually do it, and they do it almost every game, taking time to travel to other cities and towns not for any other purpose except giving their support for their team.

Whatever they cheer or boo the team, they earned their right and they must be appreciated for going alongside the team everywhere, enduring the poor results and still giving their support for the manager and players to pass through the tough times. Ridiculous after all that they're called idiotic.

I'm not from England and don't attend matches in stand, so I'm always trying to avoid criticizing the attending fans as much as possible or just doing it on the slightest way possible when they do something I don't like. To simply go on and say they're idiotic it's ridiculous. If you think they're idiots you should go and change it yourself from the stands then.

That's because they are in Europe and can afford it.

It's not like the local fans are living on the European equivalent of Skid Row in their real lives and yet are pouring money into the club by buying tickets, travelling to aways etc. The ones who travel away can afford it. I have seen many local fans on Twitter who don't travel with the club, but that doesn't make them any lesser for it.

You are talking as though they are suffering to go and watch even matches where we play badly. Well, firstly, even for crap games, the experience of travelling, seeing new places and stadiums while anticipating a game is quite enjoyable and it's not like away fans, bar the disappointment of a bad game, don't enjoy themselves on away trips. Secondly, they can mostly afford it and are not paupers.

In contrast, you expect a person from China, India, ME, Americas or Africa to travel regularly to Rome away or Madrid away? Once or twice a year, yes quite possible. Not always. Doesn't mean they are any less though. When Giggs and Scholes came here, you had fans from even the surrounding countries coming to just catch a glimpse of them. Like, not even a proper football match, but investing a lot of time and resources just for a half hr glimpse of the icons in person. So it proves that global fans are committed and will do their bit if they get the chance.

I agree that it is impossible to boo a manager when you are in the stands. I personally won't be able to bring myself to do that (though LvG did test everyone's patience; Jose isn't as bad). But if you are asking me to genuflect on the altar of local fans just because they are local, nope sorry.

Neither should we be restrained from giving an opinion - just because some travel to games does not make them more intelligent than us on matters of the club. Everybody has a brain and they can use it to analyse the team.

Football is not that important to real life that I consider a group of people in awe just because they live closer to OT than I do, or that I care whether or not they think I am a "tr00 kvlt fan". The club is not going to hand out medals to us or them for support, so no point in trying to claim superiority. You enjoy seeing the players up close in person, I will enjoy the different yet similar thrill of anticipating midnight games and staying up late into the night watching them. Different takes for everybody.
 
Guys, people who are saying fans attending the match matter more (comparatively speaking) have a point. Not in financial terms but making the club what they are. Imagine, will you watch and support a club playing in completely empty silent stadium? What fun that would be even watching on TV? I started supporting utd class of 92 when i got goosebumps watching stadium atmosphere, that celebration, those songs in background. Thats what get you hooked up. My friend liv tv fan sings never walk alone when entire anfield sings. That's what stadium atmosphere does to you.

Match goers are extremely important. If anyone has doubt try watching match on mute.
 
While our away fans are great and deserve lots of credit... I'm not sure how anyone can claim that BLIND support is wise. Blindness is never a good thing. If Mourinho is headed in the wrong direction or stagnating for a long time, and showing no promising signs (and I'm not saying we're at that point yet), then that should be expressed by fans including match going fans at some point.

Just look at Wenger staying several years too long without showing signs of turning things around. That's due to blindness. It's not commendable.
 
While our away fans are great and deserve lots of credit... I'm not sure how anyone can claim that BLIND support is wise. Blindness is never a good thing. If Mourinho is headed in the wrong direction or stagnating for a long time, and showing no promising signs (and I'm not saying we're at that point yet), then that should be expressed by fans including match going fans at some point.

Just look at Wenger staying several years too long without showing signs of turning things around. That's due to blindness. It's not commendable.
Has that been claimed?

Thankfully, the away fans can see the effort, the improvement, and aren't willing to burn Jose at the stake because we aren't champions of the universe.
 
Well said.

Go into the ground, display a flag, try and get a chant going slagging off the manager and players.

If you manage to dodge the fists flying for your gob you will have done well.





Away supporters damaging the club by being blindly supportive? :lol:

And your last away match was.......................... ?
Sorry but this is a pathetic comment and has no place in the debate.
 
Zlatan, 35, free
Pogba 24
Mikhi 27
Bailly 24
Lindelof 24
Lukaku 25
Matic 29
Sanchez 29
Fred 25
Dalot 19

only 3 of those 10 were above 29 and one of them was free.

Where's these older players he was signing ? Just because he wanted 1 or 2 doesn't mean all he wanted was players +30. This myth needs to end already.

If you look at our attack, it has only one (one!) player above 29. Surely adding one more wouldn't have made it an aging squad ?
Yeah i think Mourinho has bought a decent age range. Noone can criticize him for that. I personally wouldn't have gone for Ibra but we all wanted Sanchez, didn't we.
 
Guys, people who are saying fans attending the match matter more (comparatively speaking) have a point. Not in financial terms but making the club what they are. Imagine, will you watch and support a club playing in completely empty silent stadium? What fun that would be even watching on TV? I started supporting utd class of 92 when i got goosebumps watching stadium atmosphere, that celebration, those songs in background. Thats what get you hooked up. My friend liv tv fan sings never walk alone when entire anfield sings. That's what stadium atmosphere does to you.

Match goers are extremely important. If anyone has doubt try watching match on mute.

Equally, would Manchester United be able to dream of competing in the modern world with clubs like PSG and Man City financially, or field 11 world class players under a top European manager without a bunch of guys waking up at 3 AM on the other side of the world to watch them?

Both are like two eyes for the club. Neither is more important than the other, though local fans do deserve the recognition for imbibing the club with its unique culture.
 
While our away fans are great and deserve lots of credit... I'm not sure how anyone can claim that BLIND support is wise. Blindness is never a good thing. If Mourinho is headed in the wrong direction or stagnating for a long time, and showing no promising signs (and I'm not saying we're at that point yet), then that should be expressed by fans including match going fans at some point.

Just look at Wenger staying several years too long without showing signs of turning things around. That's due to blindness. It's not commendable.

Thing is Wenger last won a PL title for Arsenal 14 YEARS ago

Mourinho has only been at the club for two seasons!!

The anti-Mourinho brigade especially the masses on internet/social media are toxic and an embarrassment...they should feck off. fecking snakes
 
Thing is Wenger last won a PL title for Arsenal 14 YEARS ago

Mourinho has only been at the club for two seasons!!

The anti-Mourinho brigade especially the masses on internet/social media are toxic and an embarrassment...they should feck off. fecking snakes
Speaking of toxic ;) Very divisive speech from you. Consider toning it down a little. They are also fans even if they're overreacting/impatient. I wouldn't call them snakes. We have something in common with most of them; we want what's best for the club.
 
Top Man!

Exactly my point your there to support them and give them a boost, if someone stood over you when at your work being negative you would get very distracted lol

People have their own opinions pre/post match but they can be discussed in private away from worlds media,
I agree.
 
While our away fans are great and deserve lots of credit... I'm not sure how anyone can claim that BLIND support is wise. Blindness is never a good thing. If Mourinho is headed in the wrong direction or stagnating for a long time, and showing no promising signs (and I'm not saying we're at that point yet), then that should be expressed by fans including match going fans at some point.

Just look at Wenger staying several years too long without showing signs of turning things around. That's due to blindness. It's not commendable.
That's the thing though, we aren't at that point yet. We haven't been stagnating for a long time, but we have been improving all along. The problem is that people want him sacked after 4 games.
 
That's the thing though, we aren't at that point yet. We haven't been stagnating for a long time, but we have been improving all along. The problem is that people want him sacked after 4 games.

He hasnt been here for 4 games
 
That's the thing though, we aren't at that point yet. We haven't been stagnating for a long time, but we have been improving all along. The problem is that people want him sacked after 4 games.
No, people want him out mainly because of the whole of last season. The mind numbing football seemed to continue into this one, that's why people were reacting "after a few games".
 
Actually came here to say that there's no way Pep would have won the league with us if had been given the same circumstance as Mourinho, no way, not with this team.

He wouldn't have had this team though. He'd have spent the money Jose had differently as would Jose if he was at City.

Pep has brought in 14 players valued 20m+. Jose has brought in 9. That's a pretty radical change to the squad.
 
Please post up a few links to the Hillsborough or Munich songs, I do quite a few aways and have never heard one racist song, I was at Brighton last month and give the players plenty of stick, even a boo, sorry
Yeah I've been going to games for 25 years and the only Hillsborough-related chant I've ever heard is a verse from 'In your Liverpool slums' which is hardly ever sung. The people who do occasionally sing it are absolutely morons though.

Fair play to you for giving the players stick - you've paid your money to go and watch so you've got a right to express your opinion.

I've not been this year as I live abroad now. I wouldn't boo but I'd certainly be grumbling loudly if I'd been forced to sit through the Brighton game!
 
Still the best manager in the world for me. This season we will gel and threads like this will look ridiculous. You can already see faster movement, more direct passing and more chances being created. Plus he’s desperate to change this 3rd season myth, I think the miserable demeanour is just Jojo being determined and focussed on getting us back to the top
 
No, people want him out mainly because of the whole of last season. The mind numbing football seemed to continue into this one, that's why people were reacting "after a few games".
You mean the season where we improved from sixth to second? So you don't like the football, that's fine. Would you be happy if someone came in and have us play an attacking more positive style while being worse of in the table then?
 
You mean the season where we improved from sixth to second? So you don't like the football, that's fine. Would you be happy if someone came in and have us play an attacking more positive style while being worse of in the table then?
Yes. 2nd or 4th makes no difference. I'd take 4th if we played exciting football, created more chances, scored more goals. Don't care if we lose 3-2 sometimes. We're not going to be winning the league while playing reactive football anyway, so it's pointless.
 
That would suggest people want him out because of the style of football and not results. Because we have obviously improved in these two years.

Or both. Because 'improved' doesn't really say much considering where we were when he took over and the amount of money he's spent. Everyone expected more than just 'improved' after two years. Can anyone really with a straight face say they're really truly impressed by the job Mourinho has done so far? The football he's had us playing? The results he's gotten?
 
Why not ? You sound like a top prick. I am sure the prices are expensive even for some Manchester based fans , let alone somebody from the other end of the globe. 'Or just Move to Manchester'. Right.

Less of the prick and name calling for a start.

I know people who have done it. If you want something bad enough you will do it.


Also to add all domestic aways are capped £30.

Burnley via Manchester Victoria road cost £10.50 return.

So £40.50 was the bare minimum needed to attend that fixture. It's not about money it's about passion and wanting to be there.
 
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You mean the season where we improved from sixth to second? So you don't like the football, that's fine. Would you be happy if someone came in and have us play an attacking more positive style while being worse of in the table then?
I would be happy if someone came in and had us play an attacking more positive style and being better off in the table. That can happen as well you know. These types of questions/statements presume that defensive football leads to better results and vice versa: more offensive football would lead to worse results. Without those presumptions your question is irrelevant.
 
So you need to able to afford it, otherwise you are not a fan? How ignorant and arrogant. "Move to Manchester". Yes I am fecking Steve Jobs and will get a nice job anywhere I go? This talk about only match going fans being real fans is pathetic. Grow up. You have no more say on supporting the club as anyone else if you go to games.

So a non match goer can influence the team just as much as someone in the ground cheering the team on?

Get a grip mate. Clearly a match goer has more of a say.
 
That would suggest people want him out because of the style of football and not results. Because we have obviously improved in these two years.

Not exactly. Although its part of it.
Improved and improved enough is a question. When you put both style and results together its a different story. I personally think we have been in regression since Jan 2018
 
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