You literally just said to another poster that they'd get a punch in the face if they booed at a game. Jesus wept.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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No ones saying they are superior, your inventing that.
People are saying that match going fans have more influence over the team as they are in the ground real time affecting their mood if they hear the chants.
They are hardly coming in at half time to check the redcafe match day thread are they. Or their twitter feeds.
Johnny are you serious?
That was clearly tongue in cheek and you have made up your own sentence there so it is not "literally"
I said exactly "If you manage to dodge the fists flying for your gob you will have done well."
Except it hasn't. It's very obvious our style is changing, and that was particularly noticeable in the last two games. But those who moaned about the "mind numbing football" apparently aren't willing to allow that to cultivate.
And since your going to games 25 years we both know fine well that wouldn't happen don't we?
At worst you would probably get a drunk lad in black northface giving you verbals and maybe getting in your face with finger pointing to shut up (if said manc was Jose in). That or people will just ignore you.
If anything I see more red on red fighting in the stands to do with Women and Kids who expected to be able to sit down and a row erupts about standing.
I just really don't have the same feeling as I did watching LVG. It's not 'there' that same feeling whereas with LVG I think all supporters felt it at the same time.
Even when leaving Brightons ground this season I wasn't annoyed maybe as it was the first away and we had a good weekend in Brightons pubs beforehand.
Jose and the team are not perfect for various reasons but I am still happy to wait and see I think for what we have it is slowly going the right way. This time next year if it still is the same then maybe I'll start to get disheartened with him.
Given the atmosphere at some games I've been to recently, I wouldn't be surprised if there was violence in the stands. The way some people behave at OT is ridiculous.
Fantastic video.
I've heard plenty of grumblings from season ticket holders about Jose but it hasn't yet translated into vocalising it at home games.
At certain games under LVG it had turned into outright mutiny at points, I'd honestly never witnessed anything like it in 25 years of going to games there.
The two scenarios are nowhere near comparable at the moment, despite the media narrative and usual Caf insanity.
At certain games under LVG it had turned into outright mutiny at points, I'd honestly never witnessed anything like it in 25 years of going to games there.
The two scenarios are nowhere near comparable at the moment, despite the media narrative and usual Caf insanity.
That is EXACTLY how I feel. I just don't see or feel it whereas LVG I felt it for sure it was moody at a lot of games.
I will never forget the spell we had from October late December under LVG. As you say I think this was the worst I have ever seen from both the team on the pitch and the fans. Was horrible atmosphere to be in.
Really? Which stands is that happening in?
I really am not seeing this at all I cannot understand it. Reading this thread has blown me away some people have a real hate of the man I cant get my head around it.
Norwich (H) in 2015-16 has to be one of the lowest points in the recent history of Man Utd.
Well remembered, I was at that game and have since blocked it out
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35078521
Many fans left the stadium early, but some stayed in their seats at the end of the match with a look of disbelief on their faces. The atmosphere was almost mutinous, with a loud show of resentment at both half-time and at the final whistle.
^this pretty accurately sums up the feeling on the day. We haven't even come anywhere near under Mourinho. I'm not saying it won't get there but it hasn't come close to happening yet.
People have short memories.
They really, really do. The winter of that season was awful. Garbage.
Do you remember when we beat Sheffield United 1-0 in the 3rd round of the FA cup and Van Gaal said we should be happy because Sheffield United had not had any chances to score?
People actually cheered when Memphis had a shot after over and hour of football! Even the worst games under Mourinho aren't nearly as bad as the worst ones under Moyes and Van Gaal.
I still think back to back 3-0 home defeats to Liverpool and City under Moyes is the worst I've ever felt as a United fan. Especially the Liverpool result because Gerrard missed a penalty and they should've had another penalty. Also Suarez was denied point black by a brilliant De Gea save. Even in that game we lost to City in 2011-12 there were mitigating cirucmstances, due to Evans' sending off and United deciding to come out and play after Fletch scored. After that 3-0 loss to Liverpool under Moyes I couldn't find a single excuse. We got absolutely battered from start to finish and it could've ended 6-0. Shameful to remember it.
Again, I must reiterate. Madrid is that way. You seem very compatible with the spoiled brats over there. And please don't try to shift goal posts. You started by criticizing supporters for supporting the team and the manager and went as far as to say the supporters who supported the team during a tough game are part of the problem.
Speaking of trophies, how many trophies has Mourinho won already with Man United? Feign ignorance all you want. You cannot deny reality.
Be careful. Some people will have you believing the team is worse and at an all time low right now playing the worst garbage and potential relegation candidates. Their short memories don't stretch that far back.They really, really do. The winter of that season was awful. Garbage.
Do you remember when we beat Sheffield United 1-0 in the 3rd round of the FA cup and Van Gaal said we should be happy because Sheffield United had not had any chances to score?
Even the worst games under Mourinho aren't nearly as bad as the worst ones under Moyes and Van Gaal.
I still think back to back 3-0 home defeats to Liverpool and City under Moyes is the worst I've ever felt as a United fan. Especially the Liverpool result because Gerrard missed a penalty and they should've had another penalty. Also Suarez was denied point black by a brilliant De Gea save. Even in that game we lost to City in 2011-12 there were mitigating cirucmstances, due to Evans' sending off and United deciding to come out and play after Fletch scored. After that 3-0 loss to Liverpool under Moyes I couldn't find a single excuse. We got absolutely battered from start to finish and it could've ended 6-0. Shameful to remember it.
a journalist named rod liddle was slagging jm of in the scum today over the recent spanish court judgement saying united should sack him but they lack morals the irony of a so called journalist on a paper that lied about the events that lead to the deaths of 96 innocent people questioning peoples morals is beyond me
Will you guys WAIT until we have lost another game before posting here??? Jesus...
and guess what. Opposition fans would always say United fans are arrogant and spoilt. Why? Because we always have been winners. Supporters who think they are supporting the team by blindly defending and praising everything about their team are part of the problem. It's happened at Arsenal and Liverpool.
Why ? Only those who for some strange reason still defend Mourinho base their opinion of him on results.
They base their opinion on results, how shocking.
.I find it difficult to believe that any other manager out there in the current market will get better results than Jose. I believe that in the end he'll turn it around, win throphies consistently and win the fan base over.
I would like to see Giggsy sometime again as manager of Manchester United but seriously, is there any other manager who'd do better than Jose given the torrid conditions he'd have to work in?
19 points behind the league winners.
Being dumped put of the premier European competition by a club that didn't even qualify for the same competition in that season.
Winning second rate trophies and parading them like it's the be end all.
Being beat by a soon to be disposed manager with a broken system in the Fa cup final.
Watching player after player playing to a lower level to what we've seen from them before.
mind you all of this is done while spending outrageous amounts of money and still demanding more.
What's comical is some actually think no other manager could have done a better job than this under the same circumstances.
Being dumped put of the premier European competition by a club that didn't even qualify for the same competition in that season.
Winning second rate trophies and parading them like it's the be end all.
Being beat by a soon to be disposed manager with a broken system in the Fa cup final.
Watching player after player playing to a lower level to what we've seen from them before.
mind you all of this is done while spending outrageous amounts of money and still demanding more.
What's comical is some actually think no other manager could have done a better job than this under the same circumstances.
Working for Manchester United is such a bitch.
I find it difficult to believe that any other manager out there in the current market will get better results than Jose. I believe that in the end he'll turn it around, win throphies consistently and win the fan base over.
I would like to see Giggsy sometime again as manager of Manchester United but seriously, is there any other manager who'd do better than Jose given the torrid conditions he'd have to work in?
He's spent obscene amounts since he arrived here, has one of the biggest wage budgets in world football and a number of top class players at his disposal in various positions. He has problems but it's his job to deal with them - the sole manager in the PL who's got an easier ride than him at the moment financially speaking is Pep. This idea that he's somehow doing what's expected of him, or that he couldn't do any better, needs to stop, irrespective of whether you want him to stay or go.
My time following united (25 years) I’ve never known a manager player feud to go on like this, maybe media are forcing it? Pogba is world class and we can’t lose him if we want the trophies, I honestly think Mourinho has taken us as far as he can. He's become ignorant and that’s not what united is about, beginning of last season we looked a force then died off.. yes any other season we would have won the league.. but we didn’t.
If you watch games from Fergie era they pushed for a win every game and played till the final whistle. United play very negative considering the talent they have on the pitch. I wouldn’t know who to bring in but I think united should pay the 30m and bring in someone who can bring the attacking football back. I’m sorry to anyone who disagrees just my opinion.
If you watch games from Fergie era they pushed for a win every game and played till the final whistle. United play very negative considering the talent they have on the pitch. I wouldn’t know who to bring in but I think united should pay the 30m and bring in someone who can bring the attacking football back. I’m sorry to anyone who disagrees just my opinion.
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Still better than 18 other teams though.
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It's still a trophy though. Some don't win at all and only three teams have won the 'first rate trophy' in five years. Jose won one.
Got to the final though. Didn't do it by lottery.
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Wow. Brilliant. That was a touching moment. Hate to admit it but i was tearing up a bit towards the end there.
Either way it's not good enough.
If these conditions are Torrid, what word would you use to describe Spurs or Arsenal?
I find it difficult to believe that any other manager out there in the current market will get better results than Jose. I believe that in the end he'll turn it around, win throphies consistently and win the fan base over.
I would like to see Giggsy sometime again as manager of Manchester United but seriously, is there any other manager who'd do better than Jose given the torrid conditions he'd have to work in?
I know and I'd be okay if he leaves, but you can't bash him using those things.
Why not? maybe we don't see the club in the same light. Some fans go on like we're Liverpool who last knew of real success in the last century. It really isn't that long ago. The moment we start accepting mediocrity as a club is the moment we'll be firmly heading in the wrong direction.
Jose was,is and will be expected to either win PL or CL or play with attacking intent. Anything lower than that means he's failing. Having said that, this is his third season, he's expected to go very close to winning either of these trophies.
I have stated in previous posts about his relationship with Woodward, but the point is even without that he's had enough players brought here by him to go very close to the top.
I have stated in previous posts about his relationship with Woodward, but the point is even without that he's had enough players brought here by him to go very close to the top.
Well obviously, anyone would want great football and better results. My problem is people who would take worse results if it means it's more exciting.
If you don't care about position, then how do you know you've improved? We went from 6th to 2nd, that's a big improvement. In your scenario, we would be Arsenal.
Given what kind of Season Pep had, it's not reasonable to expect us to challenge them.
I know it can happen, but that was not the question. It's relevant yes, because more offensive football can lead to worse results. You open yourself up at the back and are more likely to concede. Also, see Mourinhos comments about our defence.
Fair enough, it depends on what enough is for you. If it was to challenge City, that's unrealistic.
How about not get humiliated by Sevilla?
Well, that was obviously not good. But I don't really care about the CL anyway, it's a cup, anything can happen. It's in the league where you can tell what your true level is.
Disagree. Once you get to a certain part of the UCL yes. Our best side went to 3/4 finals in 5 years? That showed our level cup or not. Not that we should be there now, but we should be putting away Sevilla if we want to get back to our level or at least competing with them over 2 legs.
Also in the league then to me it comes down to what going to be good for us long term, the progression of players and our play. We finished second which was great, but the progression of our players as a team wasn't great, and it was always going to come back to hurt us.
Building teams over 2/3 seasons is what usually worked for us. Seems like this side isn't really coming together, hopefully we can turn it around.
The Sevilla games were the biggest disappointment of the season, no doubt. But they are still only two games, and don't really represent our season. I'm pretty sure this wouldn't happen again if we'd get a similar scenario.
I think we would continue to progress if we had filled the obvious holes in the team. Now, I don't really know what our level will be compared to Liverpool and Chelsea, who have had a great transfer window.
Which are? Everyone is talking about CB but our attack hasn't functioned well for a long time. We still don't look balanced in CM either. Fullback is also an issue except Shaw has been a revelation so far this season. RB is a mess, in fact the whole right flank is a mess. Then we have a CF who can't be trusted to deliver in the big games.
Liverpool are progressing not just with signings but because its been a process which you can clearly see the progress over time, that what I meant by progression not just meaning looking at the league table after 1 season.
Feck Liverpool though, I hope we do those feckers this season home and away
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