The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%
  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%
  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%

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look at the difference between this season and last season!!

It's crazy right?! The entire 17-18 stats are below, our win rate did go down a tad during the 2nd half of the season. But it's still a fairly decent 66%.

17-18:
Games - 56
Scored - 101
Conceded - 40
Won - 37
Drew - 7
Lost - 12
1.8 Goals Scored a Game
0.7 Goals Conceded a Game
Win Rate: 66%

18-19:
Games - 23
Scored - 37
Conceded - 32
Won - 10
Drew - 7
Lost - 6
1.6 Goals Scored a Game
1.4 Goals Conceded a Game
Win Rate: 43%
 
I really don’t understand what’s happened to Mourinho. Really thought he’d age like wine, but it’s gone completely South. I wanted him to be our cnut, but he’s now become enemy number one to us while our rivals are obviously delighted he’s still here. He’s fallen further than Wenger who he once toyed with. He has been a Moyes level manager this season.
 
Even when Jose leaves Woodward will still be there...same shit new manager.
Woodward doesn't manage the team, he doesn't select the starting 11, he doesn't coach them, tell them how to go out and play, motivate them, whatever. Woodward only provides new signings and money to spend, is the decision maker on whether the manager stays or goes I presume. People can criticize him all they like, but at the end of the day, if you have the right manager in charge who knows how to coach the team properly, it doesn't matter too much who the other guy is. Lack of funding or quality players is not what is stopping Mourinho from playing any decent brand of football. It's not stopping us from having the players to outplay trash opposition. That's 100% on Mourinho and his failure to coach us properly.
 
Oh shut up

Were you one of them?

I always thought chanting for another manager's name whilst Louis was in charge was pure cringeworthy. Especially for someone who managed a rival club. Mourinho has never loved United (or Chelsea) he only has ever loved himself.

Plenty of Mourinho fanboys on here though a few years back.

Personally I've never liked him since 2005 for what he did to Anders Frisk. Nasty piece of work and I'll be glad when he's gone.
 
I really don’t understand what’s happened to Mourinho. Really thought he’d age like wine, but it’s gone completely South. I wanted him to be our cnut, but he’s now become enemy number one to us while our rivals are obviously delighted he’s still here. He’s fallen further than Wenger who he once toyed with. He has been a Moyes level manager this season.
Wish a journalist would put this to him. He’s becoming wenger. Maybe this would make him realise how bad it’s got.
 
Imagine the reaction when a journalist pulls up the "specialist in failure" quote.
 
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Were you one of them?

I always thought chanting for another manager's name whilst Louis was in charge was pure cringeworthy. Especially for someone who managed a rival club. Mourinho has never loved United (or Chelsea) he only has ever loved himself.

Plenty of Mourinho fanboys on here though a few years back.

Personally I've never liked him since 2005 for what he did to Anders Frisk. Nasty piece of work and I'll be glad when he's gone.


I think we can both agree on the fact that we'll both be glad when hes gone.
 
I really don’t understand what’s happened to Mourinho. Really thought he’d age like wine, but it’s gone completely South. I wanted him to be our cnut, but he’s now become enemy number one to us while our rivals are obviously delighted he’s still here. He’s fallen further than Wenger who he once toyed with. He has been a Moyes level manager this season.

His demeanour seems to have completely changed since leaving Real. He just seems like a stubborn, cantankerous old boy rather than the charismatic, confident manager we saw during his first stint at Chelsea. There’s been flashes but only flashes of it.

Maybe his personality doesn’t really fit with the very big clubs and that he’s preferred that underdog role or ‘little horse’ as he coined in 13/14. It’ll work with the likes of Chelsea and Inter Milan who aren’t the most successful and biggest clubs in their countries and aren’t as fancied, so they’ll lap him up because he brings the success they’ve rarely experienced, which feeds into his ego and makes him happy.
 
His demeanour seems to have completely changed since leaving Real. He just seems like a stubborn, cantankerous old boy rather than the charismatic, confident manager we saw during his first stint at Chelsea. There’s been flashes but only flashes of it.

Maybe his personality doesn’t really fit with the very big clubs and that he’s preferred that underdog role or ‘little horse’ as he coined in 13/14. It’ll work with the likes of Chelsea and Inter Milan who aren’t the most successful and biggest clubs in their countries and aren’t as fancied, so they’ll lap him up because he brings the success they’ve rarely experienced, which feeds into his ego and makes him happy.
Yep probably something in that. The success he’s had has always been middle sized clubs with decent investment.

That man management / ability to pull the team together like glue has gone.
 
If Pogba had scored the easiest chance we've got all game long it ends 2-2 away at Valencia, hardly a poor result if you ask me.
The anti-Mourinho crowd is just willing to use any kind of result that isn't a victory against the man, ignoring context and actual game events
We are 6th and playing horrible footballer after investing 400million.
 
I can just say that this is the first time I've given up on us. Tonight we could have gotten top of the group but I know an 'easy' draw would mean defeat or delaying the inevitable. It's scary how much our demise mirrors Liverpool's to the point where they are seriously improving to us declining. I no longer care about where we finish in the League, I just want to see us play decent football. If we never win another title in my lifetime I've already seen us win more than most fans of other clubs ever will. Just please bring someone to the club that can at least bring the excitement back. Every game is the same now, either we lose and play shit or we win and play shit.
 
@BalanceUnAutreJoint is a 2-2 draw away at a team who is 15th in La Liga and resting players because the game meant nothing to them really enough to be considered a good result? And if it is then explain why?
 
If Pogba had scored the easiest chance we've got all game long it ends 2-2 away at Valencia, hardly a poor result if you ask me.
The anti-Mourinho crowd is just willing to use any kind of result that isn't a victory against the man, ignoring context and actual game events
This is one of the stupidest posts I have seen in a while.
 
There's a difference between punishing a brain fart done because of youth immaturity (ex drinking at parties in case of Giggs or coming to training late in case of a 19 year old Pogba) and actually criticising a player. Pogba went to a club whose very very picky with youths, at a time were their midfield was filled with stars and was able to win a place in record time. Very few players were able to do that and the list of elite failures in such circumstances is long. Just ask Thierry Henry.

If Pogba was the only person under performing then I would be all over him but its not the case. Most of the team is under performing under this manager which means its not Pogba the problem but the manager. As both Ron and Quinton Fortune said on MUTV. The issue seems to be far bigger then Pogba.

The issue is about what is acceptable for a player to say publicly regardless of his form. Playing well doesn't give you carte blanche to start slagging people off. Pogba is totally out of line for saying what he did and that would be my stance if his manager was Moyes/LVG/Mourinho/Conte etc. Some people are so blinded by Mourinho hate they completely forget basic club principles.
 
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I can just say that this is the first time I've given up on us. Tonight we could have gotten top of the group but I know an 'easy' draw would mean defeat or delaying the inevitable. It's scary how much our demise mirrors Liverpool's to the point where they are seriously improving to us declining. I no longer care about where we finish in the League, I just want to see us play decent football. If we never win another title in my lifetime I've already seen us win more than most fans of other clubs ever will. Just please bring someone to the club that can at least bring the excitement back. Every game is the same now, either we lose and play shit or we win and play shit.
Chin up mate, you seem terribly sad.
 
He has to go asap. We knew Juve could lose and any sort of win will place us nicely for a R16. Yet, he went for a very unbalanced line up and now we are up against Barca or PSG or other elites.

While Pep converts a winger to brilliant midfielder, this guy still doesn't know how to make use of his squad. Come on - we can do much better than this . We are definitely not this bad .

Honestly , I now wish LVG had stayed for couple of more years. He atleast had a plan and signed players accordingly. Currently, i have no clue about the direction we are heading towards.
 
If Pogba had scored the easiest chance we've got all game long it ends 2-2 away at Valencia, hardly a poor result if you ask me.
The anti-Mourinho crowd is just willing to use any kind of result that isn't a victory against the man, ignoring context and actual game events

You do realise Pogba was offside too...

Plus, the actual game events show that we were horrific!

(and for those that don't actually base their opinion on 1 game - this is what every game looks like under Mourinho)
 
Jose was always a risky appointment but man this has gone tits up.

With Moyes I felt frustration as we simply weren't good enough. He had to be sacked.

With LVG the main problem was the boredom culminating in not making top 4. Made little sense to keep him on.

Now with Jose I really feel nothing but pure hatred. I hate watching us play but can't bring myself not to. I hate his comments and almost everything about his tenure.

The situation with him is completely unsalvageable. Need him gone yesterday. Every week with him the club falls to new lows.


Once he is gone we then need to address the hierarchy of the club and hopefully get some football men in. Although, that is likely a pipe dream with the Glazer's.
 
Reluctant advice, hire a hitman and do an insurance job.
Then buy the best director of football with scouts money can buy.
Bring Neville and Cantona to coach and assess the team.
You need to cut your wage bill as much as possible before buying so bring in bebes agent.
You may get worse before getting better but the support will stay and you can look forward.
Stay as you are and it's like letting that clown do your Mrs twice a week and wiping it on your curtain.
 
Woodward doesn't manage the team, he doesn't select the starting 11, he doesn't coach them, tell them how to go out and play, motivate them, whatever. Woodward only provides new signings and money to spend, is the decision maker on whether the manager stays or goes I presume. People can criticize him all they like, but at the end of the day, if you have the right manager in charge who knows how to coach the team properly, it doesn't matter too much who the other guy is. Lack of funding or quality players is not what is stopping Mourinho from playing any decent brand of football. It's not stopping us from having the players to outplay trash opposition. That's 100% on Mourinho and his failure to coach us properly.

Honestly don't understand why some people don't get this. Rio also furthered this sentiment, Woodward has done his job, no one gets 100% of their targets always. The manager needs to not moan and just get on with it...coach your players, improve them. Jose is just like a spoiled brat super 16 that only got a Porsche instead of a Ferrari. Some of our fans call Pep a cheque book manager, but Jose is the ULTIMATE cheque book manager, if he doesn't get enough money spent he throws his toys out of the pram and gives up.

Jose is in charge of what happens on the pitch and it's been absolutely dire. Even if we got rid of him and stayed in a similar position, at least the horrible atmosphere he creates would be gone and we could build from there, it's amazing what a bit of positivity and togetherness can do, it's certainly got a better chance of doing something than constant, draining negativity. I don't get why any fan would sing Jose's name.
 
Honestly don't understand why some people don't get this. Rio also furthered this sentiment, Woodward has done his job, no one gets 100% of their targets always. The manager needs to not moan and just get on with it...coach your players, improve them. Jose is just like a spoiled brat super 16 that only got a Porsche instead of a Ferrari. Some of our fans call Pep a cheque book manager, but Jose is the ULTIMATE cheque book manager, if he doesn't get enough money spent he throws his toys out of the pram and gives up.

Jose is in charge of what happens on the pitch and it's been absolutely dire. Even if we got rid of him and stayed in a similar position, at least the horrible atmosphere he creates would be gone and we could build from there, it's amazing what a bit of positivity and togetherness can do, it's certainly got a better chance of doing something than constant, draining negativity. I don't get why any fan would sing Jose's name.
I can't seem to ever find it after I saw it a while ago, but there was a snippet from a newspaper of a job posting as requirements for the manager of Arsenal (wayyyyyy back). I remember the main thing they were looking for at the time was "a coach who can actually coach a side, not just buy 11 new players". It's amazing how so many people buy into Mourinho's bullshit. The way it's always been at any normal club is a manager takes over, and has to prove his worth first with what he has. Once he proves that he's capable of improving what he has, bringing a good level out of his players, than he gets more funding because you believe with better players, you can achieve yet better results that bring you up a level. That's what Klopp did at Liverpool. That's what's happening with Emery at Arsenal. Pochettino at Spurs (though they still don't give him too much). Every single club that doesn't do financial doping has operated like this. Yet seemingly it seems so foreign to us. All the blame goes to not signing a 29 year old center back for 70m. feck that. Prove you can improve and get the best out of the 500m worth of talent you have at the club first, then go and complain if that isn't enough. As it stands, everyone plays below their level, we buy new big names, who then go on to flop, and then replace them with more expensive flops, and so on.
 
That is at least an argument for Mourinho on the merits of his own performance, rather than looking to invoke Fergie.

For what it’s worth it’s not an argument I can get behind. I agree the Board should have backed Jose this summer with whatever players they could get, within financial reason. However our alarming fall in form this season cannot be explained by the lack of a centre back with the quality of Boateng or Maguire.

A more compelling explanation for me is that what we’ve seen this season is a natural consequence of Mourinho’s style of management. He goes in, buys players who can give him an immediate boost and then uses a combination of high tension challenge and provocation to eek out a short term burst of form. Usually it works, if he doesn’t win the league first time round he usually gets it in the second season. This time round we had a boost in our second season, albeit there was a gulf to City and the football was pretty poor for half the season, but points total wise it was a big improvement.

But in three of his last four jobs it’s fallen apart in the third season (and in the other he didn’t stay three, the team falling apart anyway) and it seems to be here too. For whatever reason the players don’t respond well by that point. Hard to see his fallout with Pogba being much different to Costa or Ramos. Maybe you can only whip the horse so much. It’s all happened too often to be coincidence in my view. There’s no evidence that a couple of extra players in the summer would have avoided this.

There’s no precedent for him staying on and building another team at the same club because he’s never done it before, but it stands to reason that it’ll be hard to replicate the sensation of going into a new club all over again. If players aren’t responding to him any more, as they clearly aren’t, then what? A new first 11?

He’s a manager whose modus operandi is a three year or so intensive period of management, then move on. We’re at the move on stage now.

Btw, the point about wanting a pliant manager is a non point, since the Board appointed Mourinho and LVG, two managers known for falling out with Boards. There’s no evidence at all they’re looking for a yes man.

I think this is the best post I've seen in this thread. Very well written and there is absolutely nothing to disagree with, aye it's a fine post indeed.
 
I wanted Mourinho here, and I knew what for - trophies.

Beautiful, glistening, gleaming trophies.

I didn't want him here for expressive, possession based Champagne football... that would've been daft.

His first season was actually fecking ace I thought - 2 trophies (3 if you ask him, bless him), 1 of which being a European Cup that we've never won before. Our CL place for the next season cemented in 1 single game, a move that I thought was actually quite ballsy from the manager (he clearly prioritized Europe over league).

His 2nd season I think, in hindsight, was the wheels starting to wobble. Yes we finished 2nd, above Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, but it wasn't a title challenge. And no trophies.

And this season, following the absolutely disgraceful move by the board of giving him a fecking contract extension and then not backing Mourinho in his 3rd season, it is clearly a broken situation...

Some of you might not want to look at it objectively right now, but if you hire Mourinho, you back him ALL THE WAY, and he'll bring you trophies - as in his first season - Pogba, Zlatan = trophies.

What you don't do, is fecking extend his contract right before he goes into his final season cycle... and not back him. Bizarre from the club.

All that said, I think Mourinho's football isn't what we need right now, and I also think he needs to take a break and reinvent his approach - which I think he will do.

I don't think Mourinho is finished as a top coach, in fact, I guarantee that he is seething to prove his worth again. But right now, in this club, in this league, he's gone too far down particular avenue with these particular players and he needs to go from United.

And while some of you might say otherwise, I think the board should be being more proactive right now.

This is their mess more than it is Mourinho's - Mourinho has done what Mourinho does, played cagey football, won 2 trophies in 2 seasons (thus far), and been divisive - that's literally what he does.

For me, I expect a new manager in the Summer, and I think we must expect the board to back that manager to bring in...

A new CF
A new winger
A new midfielder
2 New Defenders - RB, CB

And all of these need to be top class if we are to begin competing properly again.

It will be a busy, busy Summer for the Glazers, and I think this time, they really do need to get it right.
 
Some of you might not want to look at it objectively right now, but if you hire Mourinho, you back him ALL THE WAY, and he'll bring you trophies - as in his first season - Pogba, Zlatan = trophies.
Moratti did not buy him his targets and went for cheaper options instead. Real definitely did not back him all the way because they never do that with their manager. Oh, and no manager in the history of the game has been backed all the way if your definitions of all the way is getting every player you want. Guardiola for a start missed out on Van Dijk, Sanchez, Jorginho and Fred with his board failing to get him the backup defensive midfielder he wanted for Fernandinho. Klopp up until last season with Van Dijk and Alisson has been shopping at markets that we sniffed at with players coming from the likes of Hoffenheim, Hull, Newcastle and a Man City reject. If we targeted those markets, our board would have been lynched. If Mourinho's condition for success are something that has never been enjoyed by anyone, I am not sure what is he supposed to be paid for.
 
2 things infuriates me when i saw his post match interview.

1. Yes he explains he has players injured etc but other teams have the same problems yet he has no idea anymore of how to replace injured players.

2. I'm fed up of the press being scared of asking the questions they want answers to. It's a bit like the PM's questions and answers in the House of Commons. The PM knows what questions she is going to be asked hours before they are put to her.

What should be asked by the press 'You have so many internationals...why is the tactics wrong every match?' Why are no chances made? These are the main problems with us.
 
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Jose clearly not happy with the players at all

So he says that he played players that everyone has been asking about and then goes on to claim that he did not learn anything about them, nothing was surprising but maybe "you did". Just when you think he couldn't be more of a bitter crass cretin who couldn't go low enough to distance himself from what is being served up, he finds a new way.
 
Moratti did not buy him his targets and went for cheaper options instead. Real definitely did not back him all the way because they never do that with their manager. Oh, and no manager in the history of the game has been backed all the way if your definitions of all the way is getting every player you want. Guardiola for a start missed out on Van Dijk, Sanchez, Jorginho and Fred with his board failing to get him the backup defensive midfielder he wanted for Fernandinho. Klopp up until last season with Van Dijk and Alisson has been shopping at markets that we sniffed at with players coming from the likes of Hoffenheim, Hull, Newcastle and a Man City reject. If we targeted those markets, our board would have been lynched. If Mourinho's condition for success are something that has never been enjoyed by anyone, I am not sure what is he supposed to be paid for.

The point is, he's one of the great chequebook managers. As is Guardiola.

At Real he had Ronaldo, Bale, Ozil, Ramos, Modric, Benzema etc ffs.

My point isn't to absolve Mourinho from blame, it's that we should understand that he hasn't done anything particularly surprising for Mourinho.

And that he should never have been given an extension if they weren't gonna back him.
 
My point isn't to absolve Mourinho from blame, it's that we should understand that he hasn't done anything particularly surprising for Mourinho.
I am with you there. He did nothing surprising. The team he built last year was not that dissimilar to his last Chelsea winning team. Only difference was we had City to compete with and that Chelsea team did not. Both of us were exposed for how limited we were when playing against Europe with how we couldn't hold on to the ball against any decent opposition. If it weren't for City, we would have won the league but it still would not have made us a top team the same way it did not for most PL winners since 2009.
And that he should never have been given an extension if they weren't gonna back him.
Backing is relative. No one gets backed all the way, never happened, does not happen and never will. The only barometer is how backed compared to the competition. The highest wage bill in the league and second most expensive squad mean there are at least 19 others who have a more justifiable claim for the lack of backing.
 
It felt like this game panned out exactly the way Jose wanted it to be. He had all the players whom we wanted to see in the team but he managed to play a horrendous formation. The odds were not in their favor and now Jose gets to use the ' i told you so' card. The ego on this man is just unbelievable.
 
So he says that he played players that everyone has been asking about and then goes on to claim that he did not learn anything about them, nothing was surprising but maybe "you did". Just when you think he couldn't be more of a bitter crass cretin who couldn't go low enough to distance himself from what is being served up, he finds a new way.

He's an embarrassment to the club.

Can't wait til he's gone.
 
I am with you there. He did nothing surprising. The team he built last year was not that dissimilar to his last Chelsea winning team. Only difference was we had City to compete with and that Chelsea team did not. Both of us were exposed for how limited we were when playing against Europe with how we couldn't hold on to the ball against any decent opposition. If it weren't for City, we would have won the league but it still would not have made us a top team the same way it did not for most PL winners since 2009.

Backing is relative. No one gets backed all the way, never happened, does not happen and never will. The only barometer is how backed compared to the competition. The highest wage bill in the league and second most expensive squad mean there are at least 19 others who have a more justifiable claim for the lack of backing.

Absolutely agree. And for me, I think football has moved on as well...

Of course it goes in cycles, but right now, Mourinho's brand of football isn't effective - or good to watch, relative to what other top teams are doing.

And for that, I think we have to look at the people running the club. What was the plan? He's done what he does, did they not expect this?

They are the people who employed LvG, a possession coach, and let him buy and sell players suited to his style, they then brought in literally the opposite guy. I mean, where's the plan? It's just odd.

What are your thoughts on that side of it?

And on your last paragraph, yeah, you're right, he should be getting more out of them, I agree...

All I'd add there is that the wage structure is again the board's issue rather than the manager's, and that it's quite clearly not a completely harmonious dressing room - though that is Mourinho's responsibility.
 
Some of you might not want to look at it objectively right now, but if you hire Mourinho, you back him ALL THE WAY, and he'll bring you trophies - as in his first season - Pogba, Zlatan = trophies.
If you expect to keep up with City's spending it won't happen anytime soon. There are other teams higher up on the table that have proved you don't need to continually spend to be competitive. This notion that United are languishing in 8th and playing disjointed football because a CB wasn't signed is a false narrative. Please, let's stop bringing up this "fully backed" tripe.

The point is, he's one of the great chequebook managers. As is Guardiola.
What is a "great chequebook manager" and who else qualifies as one? Stretching for compliments

At Real he had Ronaldo, Bale, Ozil, Ramos, Modric, Benzema etc ffs.
Bale never played for Mourinho.
Modric was voted the worst signing of the year the one season he did play for him.

My point isn't to absolve Mourinho from blame
Sure doesn't seem like it.

I wish posters would just say "I'm fond of Jose Mourinho. I just like his personality and want to see him succeed", instead of all this scapegoating and moving of goal posts. It makes a hell of a lot more sense.
 
@Rhyme Animal Yeah I absolutely agree. We never had a clear strategy since Fergie left. My view on it is that our board fell into the same trap as a lot of people in English football as well as a large section of ours fans. They assumed that Fergie's success was an indicator for the success of the model of allowing all footballing operations to be under the control of one man. I think even Fergie at times came across as though he did not realize that it was his genius that made us successful, when he made it sound that all it takes is complete belief in the manager. Maybe he was just being humble but the simple fact is the gigantic organisations that are football clubs nowadays cannot build a strategy on the whims of one man.

It is no secret that we need more people in the sport and strategy department who can draw a clear structure of what we want to do. The impact of that lack of structure is what I disagree with however. I don't see Chelsea or Real Madrid for example as clubs that have a clear plan either which explains their inconsistent league form which is ultimately the best barometer for a solid foundation. Yet, when they have a coach that fits in with the players, they can still produce some good football. So the point is, if we were playing well and just falling short of the very top, then the structure of the club or the quality of individuals could be pointed at as the missing piece of the puzzle. But when we are playing functional rigid football for three years running and coming nowhere near the top, the change of a coach alone, if made right, should make a big change, if not necessarily making us one of the very best.
 
He's an embarrassment to the club.

Can't wait til he's gone.
I am beginning to believe in the our players don't have the right mentality stuff albeit for totally different reasons. My reason is their mentality must be questioned that they did not have a full on mutiny against a man who treats them with such contempt. Mourinho treated the Real and Chelsea players with far less crassness and they still wouldn't put up with it. They as much as gave the people in charge an ultimatum whereas ours just seem to go along with whatever new belittling comment he makes every week.
 
They are the people who employed LvG, a possession coach, and let him buy and sell players suited to his style, they then brought in literally the opposite guy. I mean, where's the plan? It's just

I'll tell you why, they have been beaten by the proactiveness of city and Liverpool and Tottenham boards by getting the right ones first. The reactionary answer to that was lvg and Mourinho. After 26 years of top level management the reactive lethargic attitude of the board dint realize, getting there first is everything.
 
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