The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

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Theonas said:
I am beginning to believe in the our players don't have the right mentality stuff albeit for totally different reasons. My reason is their mentality must be questioned that they did not have a full on mutiny against a man who treats them with such contempt. Mourinho treated the Real and Chelsea players with far less crassness and they still wouldn't put up with it. They as much as gave the people in charge an ultimatum whereas ours just seem to go along with whatever new belittling comment he makes every week.
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Yeah, the players shoulders are down, and they know mourinho holds all the power at this club, their attitude is, lets jog on with it somehow, and mourinho is rightly annoyed by the efforts and energy they show on his part, but doesn't realize the style of play is responsible for sucking life out of them, while their attitude doesn't say," lets give everything we have on the pitch". As they know he'll be gone.
 
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Theonas said:
So he says that he played players that everyone has been asking about and then goes on to claim that he did not learn anything about them, nothing was surprising but maybe "you did". Just when you think he couldn't be more of a bitter crass cretin who couldn't go low enough to distance himself from what is being served up, he finds a new way.
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And people are annoyed when players look low in confidence.

Mourinho inspires no confidence.
 
He really should get the sack. But barring a disastrous result, like Pool beating us by 6 goals or something, he's staying on.

And no, Pool won't beat us 6-0 because we are game raising cnuts nowadays.
 
Seeing the same events happen consistently every week without change is just too tragic to put in words. It breaks my heart. I feel like I'm going insane.

All the clubs, the world over replace their underperforming managers... Not us, we're special!

The team plays shocking... Jose scapegoats team, distancing himself from the result... Rinse, repeat. Over and over again.

How he keeps getting away with making the same excuses every week is crazy. The guys practically Houdini. Why is he never questioned by the press on this? It's like every single press is carried out in a bubble with no relation to past events. Its just weird. Have the journalists not got any pride?

It has been like this for months, years even. I can count on one hand the amount of proper performances we have put in... In 3 years...That's no where near acceptable. How can it be?

We look like 11 strangers with no clue what they're supposed to be doing 99.9% of the time every single week... for years. But the fans still chant Mourinho's name. Why? What has he done for us? He is Chelsea's best ever manager and even they got rid sharpish.

What the hell is going on?

We are 8th! Thoroughly mid-table. After hundreds of millions. And the fans still clap him off. I don't know whether to top myself...

I'm so disillusioned with our fan base. Talk about delusion. They are like a religious cult blindly worshipping the manager, clinging to Sir Alex's last words... That, they have forgot to actually support the club by forcing change.

The fans need to get off their high horse and come back down to earth.

None more so than Gary Neville...

I'm not even going to go there on Mourinho's crass behaviour towards the club/players since he's been here. All I will say is that he should have been booted out after his disgraceful comments post Sevilla.

I'm tired of the constant negativity and spin.

Please go Jose.

The sophist one.
 
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He has an uncanny ability to turn a club toxic.

I remember it happening at Madrid under him. I thought that was just because the players were primadonnas. But it's not been as bad there since. Then it happened again at Chelsea.

The reason some of us want us to get a caretaker badly is that it will help lift this toxic cloud surrounding the club. Jose will throw anyone under the bus to save his own skin and reputation. That's not conduct you expect from a proper United manager.
 
K2K said:
He has an uncanny ability to turn a club toxic.

I remember it happening at Madrid under him. I thought that was just because the players were primadonnas. But it's not been as bad there since. Then it happened again at Chelsea.

The reason some of us want us to get a caretaker badly is that it will help lift this toxic cloud surrounding the club. Jose will throw anyone under the bus to save his own skin and reputation. That's not conduct you expect from a proper United manager.
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It's due to the fact after year and a half he starts parking the bus as soon as the ball is lost. Fans take it for 6 months, after that everyone is just annoyed with the approach.
 
Patrick08 said:
It's due to the fact after year and a half he starts parking the bus as soon as the ball is lost. Fans take it for 6 months, after that everyone is just annoyed with the approach.
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Some have suggested he will go back to Madrid after this.

I can't see a worse disaster. His toxic personalty is the last thing that group of players needs. Especially because of all they have won and his horrid style of football

I just want this to be all over.
 
K2K said:
Some have suggested he will go back to Madrid after this.

I can't see a worse disaster. His toxic personalty is the last thing that group of players needs. Especially because of all they have won and his horrid style of football

I just want this to be all over.
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Don't think so, this united stint is a severe damage to his career as a manager.

I think it could be inter. No big club with good ambitions will take him now.
 
K2K said:
He has an uncanny ability to turn a club toxic.

I remember it happening at Madrid under him. I thought that was just because the players were primadonnas. But it's not been as bad there since. Then it happened again at Chelsea.

The reason some of us want us to get a caretaker badly is that it will help lift this toxic cloud surrounding the club. Jose will throw anyone under the bus to save his own skin and reputation. That's not conduct you expect from a proper United manager.
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There is a section of the support who feel that not much would change with another manager with the board we have. Even if that is true when it comes to style and results, getting rid of that toxicity alone would be better than this. The problem with most managers not doing a good job tends to be lack of style or below par results or sometimes both, with this is man in charge, it's both plus establishing a truly poisonous environment for everyone around the club. Anyone who can just avoid doing that would be better at this point considering that result wise, there is not much difference between 6th and 17th which is where we will end up anyway.
 
Sacking him after the Liverpool game would be the best outcome irrespective of the result in that game. We have a six day gap before the next game which leaves enough time to appoint a caretaker and try to salvage the season from there on. At worst, the loss at Liverpool will have us 11 points behind. However, we can hope to close that gap by winning all four of our festive fixtures. Plus, in the new year we'll have two knockout competitions to launch an assault on. Not everything is lost.

It's clear from Jose's statements that the man has given up. The only thing he wants to prove now is that he failed because everything in and around the club is shit. Each time he opens his gob to the press, something worse comes out. He is on a sabotage mission, but somehow wants to wash his hands of the debacle. Sacking him would be doing favor to a man who clearly is not mentally fit. It's unethical to keep someone who is mentally unstable in charge just to save a few million pounds.
 
Our players are pathetic. They can't even rebel and force out a manager. Looks like there is not one player in our squad with the cojones to do that and Mourinho has been clever enough to vilify the one true big player we have(Pogba), while the other one Sanchez looks like a pub league player.
 
redIndianDevil said:
Our players are pathetic. They can't even rebel and force out a manager. Looks like there is not one player in our squad with the cojones to do that and Mourinho has been clever enough to vilify the one true big player we have(Pogba), while the other one Sanchez looks like a pub league player.
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Pogba has tried and failed. Jose's just thrown him under the bus and his stupid cult of worthless idiots who are a stain on this club and football in general have followed suit.

Jose is so similar to Trump it's scary. In the same way that Trump can convince his cult followers that someone like John McCain isn't a war hero because he got captured, Jose can convince his cult that Pogba is crap and to blame for our failures this season.

It's a mind-boggling level of influence, control and brainwashing. And his cult just continues to eat it up. He could get us relegated and blame Fergie for not doing good enough transfers in 2012 and his cult would eat it up and start throwing Sir Alex himself under the bus.
 
Patrick08 said:
I think, Zidane should be the one, the real one we should be getting from spurs is to go all in for erikson.
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Not for me. Zidane is too unproven for me as a coach, I don't want to appoint a manager purely on the basis that he won trophies. What we need is a coach, who makes us play with a philosophy.
 
goin4glory said:
The issue is about what is acceptable for a player to say publicly regardless of his form. Playing well doesn't give you carte blanche to start slagging people off. Pogba is totally out of line for saying what he did and that would be my stance if his manager was Moyes/LVG/Mourinho/Conte etc. Some people are so blinded by Mourinho hate they completely forget basic club principles.
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He said we need to attack more which is common sense to most of is and is something mou agree upon. For someone who throws people under the bridge with ease mou is indeed thin skinned
 
Patrick08 said:
Yeah, the players shoulders are down, and they know mourinho holds all the power at this club, their attitude is, lets jog on with it somehow, and mourinho is rightly annoyed by the efforts and energy they show on his part, but doesn't realize the style of play is responsible for sucking life out of them, while their attitude doesn't say," lets give everything we have on the pitch". As they know he'll be gone.
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The players can’t pull a mutiny at this club because of the idiot of a CEO we have in place and the nature of the match going fan base who will turn on them if the manager commands them to. It’s a shit situation for the players.
 
Xixak17 said:
Pogba has tried and failed. Jose's just thrown him under the bus and his stupid cult of worthless idiots who are a stain on this club and football in general have followed suit.
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I think Mourinho was proactive here at United and sniffed out that pogba might be the one to push him out and has since started a campaign to put him down at every chance since the Sevilla debacle last year. Mourinho comments on pogba's world cup is also another example of him creative a narrative that Pogba doesn't work hard enough in league.

Even in the pre-match conference, he shot down a question from a journo asking "what Mourinho has to do get the best out of pogba?" and for that Mourinho replied that "he doesn't like the angle of that question". Mourinho basically means that he is faultless. He is a fecking disgusting cretin.
 
Get this poisonous cretin out of our club for pity sake.
It's like having Gollum in charge with his change of personalities - "No one in Manchester cares more about this club"
Followed swiftly by "nothing surprised me about losing to Valencia".
No José, nothing surprised ME about us losing, because we have a rancid manager who clearly doesn't coach, train or inspire his team. A manager who has been a wasteful brat with his pocket money, yet demands more to squander. When this isn't satisfied, he plays to lose - fact. He's THAT poisonous.
He cares not one iota for Utd, reflected in his complete lack of commitment to the club by living so transiently in a hotel.
He needs to be gone and take half this spice-boy squad with him.
He'll be lining up the excuses for Sunday already for his rolladex.
Horrible horrible arrogant jerk.
 
redIndianDevil said:
Not for me. Zidane is too unproven for me as a coach, I don't want to appoint a manager purely on the basis that he won trophies. What we need is a coach, who makes us play with a philosophy.
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Poch philosophy needs mid we don't have here, I have seen him mostly succeed in a 4231 or occasionally in a 352 but he needs mid to control the mid by going in for the duels. None of pogba matic and fellani have that. Herrera too is not the one who controls the middle of the pitch and fred is still an unknown quantity here.

Zidane on the other hand developed a cohesive possession based style in Madrid which suited the players perfectly with his precise eye for detail and sharpness in crucial matches. I think that these set of players need that possession based cohesiveness as they can't control the middle of the pitch with their positional discipline and defensive discipline. And then there is a French connection. Zidane not having a proper philosophy is not true.
 
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Jose clearly not happy with the players at all
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I wouldn't be happy with Jose if I was a player. He is meant to give them the platform to thrive, yet he choose awful tactics and ill thought out player selections last night.
 
Raees said:
The players can’t pull a mutiny at this club because of the idiot of a CEO we have in place and the nature of the match going fan base who will turn on them if the manager commands them to. It’s a shit situation for the players.
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I think that is a good thing at this club which I like, but it's the ceo's job to call it a day if the manager is no longer able to motivate them or believe in their methods and win. Downing tools would get me furious on the players as well. They have to show energy even in defeats ideally.

Look at Herrera he gives everything day in day out regardless of the managers tactics, that's the sort of attitude is ideal even in poot tactics and awful play style.
 
Patrick08 said:
I think that is a good thing at this club which I like, but it's the ceo's job to call it a day if the manager is no longer able to motivate them or believe in their methods and win. Downing tools would get me furious on the players as well. They have to show energy even in defeats ideally.
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Downing tools is a thing that has happened even at the greatest clubs since the dawn of time and is a valid way of players making it known they’re unhappy with the management. It’s the only effective way they have of making their concerns known.

Ajax in the 70s did it, Bayern recently did it under Ancellotti, Real have done it on number of occasions and then gone on to further success... it isn’t just Chelsea.

The board need to be responsive to that and it would help if the fans were also on board to in knowing that the manager has to go first and foremost. Are there some players there who don’t belong here absolutely but at the moment the entire squad looks like they don’t belong here which is an impossible situation and can only be attributable to the manager. Klopp and Pep have made soldiers out of Delph and Milner whilst maximising talent such as KDB and Salah... we have Pogba playing worse than Henderson.
 
How much longer must Mourinho be manager to forget what we were? Someone expected something different from the LVG student? Everyone knows that the main reason for hiring him was that City brought Pep, Mou football has no connection with our tradition.

We are a team with some good players who do not play at all, there is not yet a defined style, and the players are not motivated with the tactical approach. I do not see any player playing for the Manager. We do not even have a captain / leader in the field! . How will we attract good players if our football is horrible and leaves no space for the development of young talents?

People refuse to see things as they are .. and do not want to stop supporting Mou because we still have in our minds and hearts the habit of supporting our manager, we still have trouble understanding that Sir Alex's era ended.
 
Raees said:
Downing tools is a thing that has happened even at the greatest clubs since the dawn of time and is a valid way of players making it known they’re unhappy with the management. It’s the only effective way they have of making their concerns known.

Ajax in the 70s did it, Bayern recently did it under Ancellotti, Real have done it on number of occasions and then gone on to further success... it isn’t just Chelsea.

The board need to be responsive to that and it would help if the fans were also on board to in knowing that the manager has to go first and foremost. Are there some players there who don’t belong here absolutely but at the moment the entire squad looks like they don’t belong here which is an impossible situation and can only be attributable to the manager. Klopp and Pep have made soldiers out of Delph and Milner whilst maximising talent such as KDB and Salah... we have Pogba playing worse than Henderson.
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Well I don't care about bayern, or ajax, or madrid. Not at united. I will never support the players on that. If the players don't agree with something that manager wants them to do then solve them directly face to face in training. Downing tools represents unprofessionalism which I don't support at any level. You lose your dignity that way.

If mourinho wants to force certain style on the players its his choice he wants to go down that road, then the board must act if he ain't delivering results and part ways telling him its not working out.
 
If he is sacked now, there are chances that the players might respond positively under Carrick or McKenna until we find a new manager (mostly in the summer). We will find out if the players can perform better in a more attacking setup. But then our transfer policy in the Jan window will be left to Woodward which would be a disaster.

The main problem is that we don't have a replacement in place. Poch seems to be the only one everyone wants but he might prefer staying at Spurs. And even if he wants to leave, we'll have to compete with Madrid for him. We can't afford to get another wrong manager. It could set us back by many years.
 
bosnian_red said:
Woodward doesn't manage the team, he doesn't select the starting 11, he doesn't coach them, tell them how to go out and play, motivate them, whatever. Woodward only provides new signings and money to spend, is the decision maker on whether the manager stays or goes I presume. People can criticize him all they like, but at the end of the day, if you have the right manager in charge who knows how to coach the team properly, it doesn't matter too much who the other guy is. Lack of funding or quality players is not what is stopping Mourinho from playing any decent brand of football. It's not stopping us from having the players to outplay trash opposition. That's 100% on Mourinho and his failure to coach us properly.
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Another thing about Woodward....he’s not in the media every 5 minutes shitting on the club/players. I get that Mourinho has more interviews to do, but he uses them to smash everyone and everything around him, including his own team.

Woodward used to give out some cringeworthy sound bites, but he’s packed that in.
 
T00lsh3d said:
Another thing about Woodward....he’s not in the media every 5 minutes shitting on the club/players. I get that Mourinho has more interviews to do, but he uses them to smash everyone and everything around him, including his own team.

Woodward used to give out some cringeworthy sound bites, but he’s packed that in.
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Mourinho is a high tier manager and is paid as so. Two consecutive disasters really risk ruining his career. Take Benitez as an example. At one point he was managing Liverpool, Inter and Real and now he's a sports direct employee. So what Mourinho is doing is shifting the blame on others, while hoping that this shambles doesn't stick too much on him. Its tough to do it with United as there's no DOF to pin the blame to and all the rubbish brought in had his consent. So he's criticising the club at a consistent level, blaming the players, the board and even the scouts.

Now if he can piss Woodward enough to kick him out then that's a bonus. He will make a 20m profit, he won't be there when United are out of the European cups and he can blame the CEO for not even having the decency to stick to him till the very end, were surely he would have been able to turn things around.
 
AgentP said:
If he is sacked now, there are chances that the players might respond positively under Carrick or McKenna until we find a new manager (mostly in the summer). We will find out if the players can perform better in a more attacking setup. But then our transfer policy in the Jan window will be left to Woodward which would be a disaster.

The main problem is that we don't have a replacement in place. Poch seems to be the only one everyone wants but he might prefer staying at Spurs. And even if he wants to leave, we'll have to compete with Madrid for him. We can't afford to get another wrong manager. It could set us back by many years.
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Get him out is the priority. It cant get worse under these two until the summer. The longer he stays the more he damages.
 
devilish said:
Mourinho is a high tier manager and is paid as so. Two consecutive disasters really risk ruining his career. Take Benitez as an example. At one point he was managing Liverpool, Inter and Real and now he's a sports direct employee. So what Mourinho is doing is shifting the blame on others, while hoping that this shambles doesn't stick too much on him. Its tough to do it with United as there's no DOF to pin the blame to and all the rubbish brought in had his consent. So he's criticising the club at a consistent level, blaming the players, the board and even the scouts.

Now if he can piss Woodward enough to kick him out then that's a bonus. He will make a 20m profit, he won't be there when United are out of the European cups and he can blame the CEO for not even having the decency to stick to him till the very end, were surely he would have been able to turn things around.
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I can totally understand Mourinho’s logic behind it. This is....it’s a cover for the fact he hasn’t done his job very well. That’s my opinion, whether his prospective future employers see it that way only time will tell.
The point I was making re: Woodward is that even in the face of Jose mouthing off to the press every five minutes, Woodward has stayed away from personal slanging matches, which does him credit
 
I can't deny that watching the games recently has felt like a trip to the dentist... but the man asked for defensive reinforcements... he continuously has rotated defensive players... even tried midfielders as center backs... employed two former wings as left and right backs... how different would we be with competent players in those positions?

He did buy Bailly and Lindelof... but Lindelof has performed well for his national team... Bailly started well then became injury prone... It's not like he went crazy with his defensive selections... he's literally tried every combination imaginable and they haven't performed at a competent level.

That is on Woodward and the board... not Jose

Then there is Pogba... no one questioned the wisdom of signing him when we did... so did we want Pogba to take over as player manager... or did we want Jose to continue to run the team? What do you do when your star player undermines your manager calling for attack attack? Does he bench the most important player on the team? Or does he behave like Moyes and cowardly become a figure head? Mourinho had no choice but to assert his power... and when the key to the entire team is at odds with the manager, it can become a very volatile, challenging situation.

What do you do with Martial? Another amazing talent who we clearly do not want to lose... but who plays at varying levels of intensity from game to game.

Is this Jose's fault... again Martial has him by the balls because if he asserts his authority... he cannot sign him... but if he can't get the best out of him what else can he do?

He plays Rashford, Lingard, Lukaku... gives them all plenty of run... but always gets inconsistent results.

Maybe signing Lukaku was a poor decision... but Morata has done nothing either.

Maybe we should have found a way to get Diego Costa or lure Aguero away when he fell out of favor for Gabriel Jesus... but other than that, what could he have done?

The players haven't performed well enough.

I can't blame you all for being angry, I am too... but I feel firing Jose is just a way to scapegoat someone to alleviate frustration... and may not necessarily fix the ills of the team which are underperforming stars.
 
I have no idea how a manager of Mourinhos experience doesn't know the basic fundamentals of football:
1) Changing the team every week results in inconsistent results - especially if you are already short of confidence and playing badly.
2) Putting players not in their natural position and/or not playing to their strengths leads to poor performance which leads to drop in confidence which leads to poor performance.
3) Publicly slating players, the board, the performance (whatever) leads to disruption in the dressing room and poor confidence and poor results
4) Creating a siege mentality - us vs them, working hard, playing the same team (baring injuries), defending your team no matter what, building on good results - will usually eventually lead to consistency.
5) New players, especially foreign players and young players find it easier to integrate with a winning team.

Yes there are unforeseen circumstances - injuries, poor form etc But generally you just cannot do the above and expect anything other than the results we are getting. Its idiotic. Yes you can say but the players are not delivering. Agreed and if one player or two players are not performing - swap them. But if your whole team is not performing you work harder, praise them more and play them consistently until they come into form. You have no other choice.
 
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