Don't bother with that guy. The forums are filled with "fans" like him.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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I'd understand this if Jose was trying to create a team full of 29/30 year olds, but he isn't. He's signed plenty of young players, Dalot, Bailly, Lindelof, Pogba, Fred... he just knows you also need some experience to compliment them. The argument also falls down when you look at the Chelsea and Madrid teams he allegedly filled to the brim with grandads, but they both carried on winning league titles and CLs after he left them, so perhaps the way he chooses to build a team is actually perfect for the long term.
Actually came here to say that there's no way Pep would have won the league with us if had been given the same circumstance as Mourinho, no way, not with this team.
I don't think his recruitment, on overall, has been poor.
There have been misses, of course, but name one manager that never had them. Most of the below par players in the squad were already there before he joined.
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Exactly my point your there to support them and give them a boost, if someone stood over you when at your work being negative you would get very distracted lol
People have their own opinions pre/post match but they can be discussed in private away from worlds media,
so whos been a success ? apart from Matic I cant think of any his players who have performed on a constant level he has brought in. his 2 CB's are terrible. don't have a clue on how to get the best from his World Record midfielder. Lukkaku and Sanchez have been poor overall. just don't see how anyone can blame every other manager when Jose's have been just as bad as LVG or Moyes.
And so does Jose, I fear if we beat mighty Watford after the International break he'll ask his agent to spread rumours about the major clubs desperate for his services again....
Two people of the same opinion accidentally arguing against each other.
Not enough notoriety, yet
I think yours may be a little low. I’m in the “on the fence” camp with Jose, but to have spent £400m then have no targets or expectations, are you being serious? In your book we can be miles off the pace again in the league and get dumped out of th CL at the group stage and you’re still happy with that?
That’s bullshit I can boo whenever and however I want. I invest time in these matches. Like I said, booing and cheering is everyone’s right
Who told you that you can't boo ? I'm telling you that if you think what they're doing in the stands is idiotic then pay money for a ticket and go to the stands yourself to boo the hell out of everyone of the club instead of setting on an internet forum blaming the attending fans on their behavior.
When did I say we shouldn't have any expectations? I expect to improve on last year and get closer to City. I don't think it's realistic to think we can challenge for the title with this team.
Not enough notoriety, yet
100%.
This team would not be able to play Pep football toa high enough standard, he wouldn't have won us the league.
Mourinho WOULD have won the league with City, though. Jose's football is defensive with individuals producing moments of magic - City have those individuals, they'd probably have scored less and been a bit less entertaining, but they'd still have walked the league.
It's obvious you are ignorant of the match day experience. It has nothing to do with being sanctimonious. Fans clap at the beginning of games to get the team going (that includes the manager, he is part of the team), and only boo if the team have not shown the right level of effort during the game.
Who says Mourinho is using the Abramovic template? Discounting Ibrahimovich who was only signed due to being out of contract, the only players you could even slightly count as short term are Matic and Sanchez. You look at the others he's signed:
Fred, 25
Lukaku, 24
Pogba, 23
Bailly, 22
Lindelof, 23
Dalot, 19
You then look at the likes of McGuire who he missed out on who's also 25...
I don't know how anyone could argue with the fact that under Mourinho's management we're clearly looking far more long term than he's ever done before. It wouldn't be surprising if the following team is played at some point this season, with an average age of a shade over 23... The vast majority of which were either signed by Mourinho and/or became first team regulars under Mourinho:
DDG
Dalot Bailly Lindelof Shaw
Pogba McTominay Fred
Rashford Lingard
Lukaku
Well said.
Go into the ground, display a flag, try and get a chant going slagging off the manager and players.
If you manage to dodge the fists flying for your gob you will have done well.
Away supporters damaging the club by being blindly supportive?
And your last away match was.......................... ?
Well said.
I find it hard to believe some people here actually think fans should be negative towards the team. That will really help turn things around wont it?
Those chants of encouragement lift players, give them an extra adrenaline boost to help them push on a bit more. Maybe not much but it helps. Encouragement helps people push for that extra bit.
You don't see personal trainers shouting "you fat cnut your useless" at their clients do they?
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Lol. My point exactly. Just because we're Manchester United, you expect us to compete and win every year. Please take a look at the squad Mourinho inherited. A broken squad full of players past their best or simply nowhere near good enough. We still have masses of deadwood in our squad because it's not possible to simply sell everyone and replace them all with better players. It takes time.
Take a look at City's transfer policy this past 5 years, it's excellent. They consistently buy world class players in their early 20's Pep walked in to a world class spine, that was used to winning.
Mourinho took over a fecking awful squad. The worst in my lifetime and I've been a season ticket holder over 10 years and a fan for 25 years.
No spine, no real quality, only 1 world class player in DDG - yet fans like you just throw your toys out of the pram and say "we should win all the time because we're Man United". You need to open your eyes and realise the relativity of the job Mourinho as done.
A squad comprising of Jones Smalling Young Valencia Darmian Schweinsteiger Schneiderlain Fellaini Depay Rooney etc doesn't come close to comparing to the spine of City or even of Spurs.
But no, lets sack every manager who tries to rebuild us.
I could not agree more with this post. I'm not a Jose fan but he's here to do a job. Let him get on with it.
It will take time for him to rebuild us and patience from us fans.
Play with guts and trust your team mates
Lol. My point exactly. Just because we're Manchester United, you expect us to compete and win every year. Please take a look at the squad Mourinho inherited. A broken squad full of players past their best or simply nowhere near good enough. We still have masses of deadwood in our squad because it's not possible to simply sell everyone and replace them all with better players. It takes time.
Take a look at City's transfer policy this past 5 years, it's excellent. They consistently buy world class players in their early 20's Pep walked in to a world class spine, that was used to winning.
Mourinho took over a fecking awful squad. The worst in my lifetime and I've been a season ticket holder over 10 years and a fan for 25 years.
No spine, no real quality, only 1 world class player in DDG - yet fans like you just throw your toys out of the pram and say "we should win all the time because we're Man United". You need to open your eyes and realise the relativity of the job Mourinho as done.
A squad comprising of Jones Smalling Young Valencia Darmian Schweinsteiger Schneiderlain Fellaini Depay Rooney etc doesn't come close to comparing to the spine of City or even of Spurs.
But no, lets sack every manager who tries to rebuild us.
Yep great post
If I think something is idiotic I can voice my opinion wherever I want. I do not need to go to the stands to voice that opinion. That's like saying if I disagree with a politician I should get elected and voice my opinion in parliment.
Away supporters damaging the club by being blindly supportive?
And your last away match was.......................... ?
My last away match was QPR vs Man United at Loftus Road in 2014 when Fellaini scored. We won and cheered. What does that have to do with anything? And yes blind support is damaging. Look at Arsene and all the years of blind support he got.
If you something is idiotic and you can change it by doing it yourself then what's preventing you ? Paying for a ticket and going to the stands to correct their mistakes of blind support and booing the hell out of everyone to show them how a true fan is looks to me to be much easier then entering a presidential election if you ask me.
People should be reminded here it is not just losing. The fact that we are spending millions, seeing no improvement (please don't tell me about the second place trophy or "solid" defense) and on top of that the management is making it seem like the issue is out of their hands.
If Mourinho today comes out and says "Yes we are unnaceptable right now but I will do my best to fix this, I need everyones support" I would be in Mourinho in camp again. But no, he is praising himself constantly and it's getting very annoying.
Mourinho till Xmas and if nothing is done that's it. No more excuses. We needed a title challenge this season.
If Mourinho today comes out and says "Yes we are unnaceptable right now but I will do my best to fix this, I need everyones support" I would be in Mourinho in camp again. But no, he is praising himself constantly and it's getting very annoying.
Mourinho till Xmas and if nothing is done that's it. No more excuses. We needed a title challenge this season.
So unless I can get 3 days off my job to get a ticket to England, a game ticket, a hotel and then fly back I have no say on the matter and should just appreciate those that can go?
So unless I can get 3 days off my job to get a ticket to England, a game ticket, a hotel and then fly back I have no say on the matter and should just appreciate those that can go?
You should definitely appreciate them. It's ridiculous to think otherwise. They pay their own money for tickets and travel with the team to other cities just to support the team while we ourselves are just watching the team on TV. Whether they cheer or boo, these are the fans who are actually supporting the club, not social media or internet forum fans like us.
It's interesting how at certain times its claimed that some signings are Mourinho's and in other: the same players have been signed by Woodward. I am not saying it's the same people that do that, but it's noticeable nonetheless.
Jose may serve you distatsteful football but one credit I will give him is that he is a club man to his core. Let me give you an example. Despite the reported problems he has had with clubs in the past, have you ever heard him say anything bad about his ex bosses and clubs? Maybe he has but I have never read it heard it. He tends to be loyal to his club's whole he is on contract with them and he shows them enough respect after he leaves them. I doubt he is the type of guy who would be sneaking to tell media guys that he is wanted elsewhere. He obviously seems to dislike it when players do that.
Besides that, if Jose were to leave United today, he hasn't become so bad that he won't get another job within a year.
So ... supporting the club is idiotic now? We should boo the feck out of the team every game until we get what we want like spoiled brats throwing toys out the pram?
I'm sorry, but Real Madrid is that way.
I'm sorry, but Real Madrid is that way.
You cant say Pep wouldnt have won the league as he would have bought in players to suit his style. He would have probably bought in 8 youngish players up to the beginning of last season, Mourinho wanted 8 but older players were against Woodys view after Matic. Pep would have probably bought in another 3-4 this summer as well, once again youngish players, which would have suited Woody as well. He doesnt mess around getting rid of the dead wood either.
It was 2015 not 2014 I was there also. James Wilson scored late on perhaps you left the ground by then
Falcao missed a sitter if I recall also early in the game.
Did you chant "4-4-2" against Van Gaal that day?
I didn't chant it but I was fairly fecked off with LVG as time grew on but never voiced it in public. I do not even feel one single percentage of annoyance yet with Jose. Not one.
Things were certainly much much worse under LVG.
So I am struggling to see how people can want Jose out. With LVG I think we all felt it but I do not feel anything like that today.
And that information is based on .. ?
Exactly.
So unless I can get 3 days off my job to get a ticket to England, a game ticket, a hotel and then fly back I have no say on the matter and should just appreciate those that can go?
Why not plenty of people do it every game from Ireland, Norway, Israel. Or move to Manchester.
Exactly.
Man,the question/debate/point wasn't that detailed. its swapping managers,and squads at the time surely?
He bought 7 in 2 seasons and was after Perisic all last summer
If you are just swapping sides you could have bought in fergie as his assistant and still would have had zilch. Sorry I misread it if pep had have come here and Mou at City and the difference they would have made as they wouldnt have bought the same players.
By he you mean Ed Woodward?
Jose said he was a coach remember. A coach has no real say in transfers. That is why I do not pin the transfers on Jose.
Zlatan, 35, free
Pogba 24
Mikhi 27
Bailly 24
Lindelof 24
Lukaku 25
Matic 29
Sanchez 29
Fred 25
Dalot 19
only 3 of those 10 were above 29 and one of them was free.
Where's these older players he was signing ? Just because he wanted 1 or 2 doesn't mean all he wanted was players +30. This myth needs to end already.
If you look at our attack, it has only one (one!) player above 29. Surely adding one more wouldn't have made it an aging squad ?
I was on about the last 2 seasons not this summers buys. I was saying Pep went for younger players Mou went for older I didnt say 30 plus. Thats why Woody wouldnt sanction another 28/29 year old after Matic. The same as he wouldnt this summer for Alderwierald.
Agreed
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