The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Hound Dog]

I remember a story of a guy who smoked 3 packs a day and used a program to quit. He became an advocate for quitting smoking, a minor celebrity but was diagnosed with lung cancer at around 75, more than 10 years after quitting.

This is akin to the situation with United and spending. Yes, managers post SAF have spent a lot, but what happened in the years prior to that?

Thats right, Fergie getting a side to compete while playing zombie football, with a declining Rooney and a RVP who was a short-term fix, while talking about a lack of value in the market.

At the same time, City and others had several key players at the club for years. How long has Aguero been at City for? Kompany? Silva?

My point is, spending maybe maaaaybe could have been used as a stick to beat Mourinho with had he taken over right after SAF.

With things being the way they are, he has to deal with both years of not investing during the late Ferguson era as well as the (mostly) poor recruitment done by his predecessors.

BTW, stating the obvious here, but 400 mill nowadays is not nearly as much as it was 5 years ago.

 

[#07]

That kid is never gonna give up that jacket. Love it! Jose’s probably made his whole year.

 

[Nikelesh Reddy]

Yes. Here's LVG arguing the fans couldn't want him out because they cheered his song passionately every week

Think Moyes also has a similar quote but can't be bothered

Fair enough,but Mourinho has a lot of sympathy amongst the supporters right now...Rightly or Wrongly,Woodward has become a punching bag for the supporters so I think an overwhelming majority of supporters want Jose to stay...

 

[Sarni]

I remember a story of a guy who smoked 3 packs a day and used a program to quit. He became an advocate for quitting smoking, a minor celebrity but was diagnosed with lung cancer at around 75, more than 10 years after quitting.

This is akin to the situation with United and spending. Yes, managers post SAF have spent a lot, but what happened in the years prior to that?

Thats right, Fergie getting a side to compete while playing zombie football, with a declining Rooney and a RVP who was a short-term fix, while talking about a lack of value in the market.

At the same time, City and others had several key players at the club for years. How long has Aguero been at City for? Kompany? Silva?

My point is, spending maybe maaaaybe could have been used as a stick to beat Mourinho with had he taken over right after SAF.

With things being the way they are, he has to deal with both years of not investing during the late Ferguson era as well as the (mostly) poor recruitment done by his predecessors.

BTW, stating the obvious here, but 400 mill nowadays is not nearly as much as it was 5 years ago.

It’s quite evident that we missed all the opportunities to improve the team in Fergie’s last years in the job because we were looking for value and were not willing to go above certain level (about £35m). We didn’t push hard enough for the likes of Benzema, Silva and Hazard and we never even tried for the likes of Aguero, the team got gradually worse but with world class manager who could get a lot more out of the group than he should have we still got by.

Then there is obviously the case of two next managers as you point out. Moyes had no idea who he even wanted and van Gaal just went and bought everyone.

 

[Nikelesh Reddy]

It’s quite evident that we missed all the opportunities to improve the team in Fergie’s last years in the job because we were looking for value and were not willing to go above certain level (about £35m). We didn’t push hard enough for the likes of Benzema, Silva and Hazard and we never even tried for the likes of Aguero, the team got gradually worse but with world class manager who could get a lot more out of the group than he should have we still got by.

Then there is obviously the case of two next managers as you point out. Moyes had no idea who he even wanted and van Gaal just went and bought everyone.

I want Mourinho to stay in charge,I don’t want him out...But he needs to do much more to get the best out of this team...The fact that he signed 2 centre backs and both of them are struggling to establish themselves doesn’t reflect well on him...The fact that he signed a RW/10 who didn’t really suit his style of play(Mikhitaryan) doesn’t reflect well on him...He’s a brilliant manager but I expect much much more from him...

 

[Nikelesh Reddy]

I remember a story of a guy who smoked 3 packs a day and used a program to quit. He became an advocate for quitting smoking, a minor celebrity but was diagnosed with lung cancer at around 75, more than 10 years after quitting.

This is akin to the situation with United and spending. Yes, managers post SAF have spent a lot, but what happened in the years prior to that?

Thats right, Fergie getting a side to compete while playing zombie football, with a declining Rooney and a RVP who was a short-term fix, while talking about a lack of value in the market.

At the same time, City and others had several key players at the club for years. How long has Aguero been at City for? Kompany? Silva?

My point is, spending maybe maaaaybe could have been used as a stick to beat Mourinho with had he taken over right after SAF.

With things being the way they are, he has to deal with both years of not investing during the late Ferguson era as well as the (mostly) poor recruitment done by his predecessors.

BTW, stating the obvious here, but 400 mill nowadays is not nearly as much as it was 5 years ago.

I agree,but do we really have a clear style of play after 2 odd years?Are we even remotely close to competing for the title?I”m not crying out for attacking football,we were never going to get that with Mourinho.But even if he makes us play like Porto or Inter(counterattacking pragmatic football) I will be delighted.

Right now it just looks like we have a team of individuals who are doing their own thing...

 

[Greck]

Fair enough,but Mourinho has a lot of sympathy amongst the supporters right now...Rightly or Wrongly,Woodward has become a punching bag for the supporters so I think an overwhelming majority of supporters want Jose to stay...

You're making the mistake of thinking every fanvote for "Woodward out" is a vote for Jose in. Many people that want Jose gone also want Woodward gone.

 

[Hound Dog]

I agree,but do we really have a clear style of play after 2 odd years?Are we even remotely close to competing for the title?I”m not crying out for attacking football,we were never going to get that with Mourinho.But even if he makes us play like Porto or Inter(counterattacking pragmatic football) I will be delighted.

Right now it just looks like we have a team of individuals who are doing their own thing...

I see where you are coming from, but I feel that this reactive style (or a lack of style) of football is the reason why United have qualified for the CL in both season's under Mourinho.

I honestly believe that Tottenham, Chelsea, City and Liverpool all have better squads than United and Mourinho is getting the current side to punch above its weight (or at least, got them to in the previous two seasons).

For starters, all of the above four clubs have been far more stable than United for years and all have several key players that have been playing together for years. As for United and players that have been playing together for years, you have Smalling, Jones, Young, Valencia and the likes.

Yes, it would be nice if football to be better, but more attacking football demands better players... Remember how City looked under Guardiola in his first season? Many thought he was a fraud back then. I actually still do, but that's not the point, the point is that everyone has forgotten about that. Then he spent a couple hundred million more and boom - they are world beaters.

The difference between United and City is that Guardiola, apart from having a bigger budget, also had a far better starting point. Yes, I know that some will bring up that United and City finished level on points the season before Pep and Mourinho joined, but that doesn't really mean anything. Why were Leicester not expected to at least qualify for the Champions League the season after winning it?

The table does lie. How many players from United's side just before Pep and Mou joined would have gotten into the City lineup? And that gap has only increased over time due to City's superior spending.

I closely followed Real Madrid under Mourinho and they were not a defensive side by any stretch of imagination. Three CL semis, they defended in numbers only against Barcelona, with their once-in-a-generation side. Mourinho can get his sides to play far more better football than United are playing now, but you cannot make shit out of diamonds.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Clapping him out to the dugout.

Idiots. Can’t stand sanctimonious gits.

It's the top red thing isn't it. 'I'm a better fan than you because i'm loyal to the end' or some such nonsense.

Why people care so much about how others perceive them, I don't know. But to each his own i guess.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Have a look at the post he quoted to look at someone with their head up their arse.

Clapping someone at a game is a show of respect and a nice gesture. The vast majority of match going fans wanted Moyes to go yet they still clapped him because he's someone that's working for the club.

So next time you go to a restaurant, will you clap the chef even if he serves you a terrible meal, just because he's trying hard?

 

[shamans]

It's the top red thing isn't it. 'I'm a better fan than you because i'm loyal to the end' or some such nonsense.

Why people care so much about how others perceive them, I don't know. But to each his own i guess.

What's ironic is these are the "fans" that truly damage the club and its reputation. Backing terrible decisions, blindly being supportive and crying about how the media is against Man United.

 

[el3mel]

What's ironic is these are the "fans" that truly damage the club and its reputation. Backing terrible decisions, blindly being supportive and crying about how the media is against Man United.

As far as I'm concerned, no one is really preventing you or anyone from going to the stands and booing the hell out of the manager and his players if that what will please you and confirm you're a fan worried about his team.

 

[JohnnyKills]

What's ironic is these are the "fans" that truly damage the club and its reputation. Backing terrible decisions, blindly being supportive and crying about how the media is against Man United.

I agree, but at the same time respect the fact that the away fans spend so much time and money following the team. The chants are great too.

Just wish they'd stop with the 'look at me' stuff though.

 

[Minimalist]

Have a look at the post he quoted to look at someone with their head up their arse.

Clapping someone at a game is a show of respect and a nice gesture. The vast majority of match going fans wanted Moyes to go yet they still clapped him because he's someone that's working for the club.

Didn’t have to boo him either. My point was what the feck was he getting clapped for?

Never mind anyway, clearly got your own sanctimonious hat on in that discussion.[/QUOTE]

 

[shamans]

As far as I'm concerned, no one is really preventing you or anyone from going to the stands and booing the hell out of the manager and his players if that what will please you and confirm you're a fan worried about his team.

Fans are free to boo and cheer. We are free to say when it's uncalled for or stupid. That's all.

 

[VP89]

Thanks for your effort appreciate the %. Had to hope you didn’t attach a PowerPoint.

On Falcao - you going to honestly right you thought he was over the hill when we signed him? Lol. He did go on to play for Mourinho the season after as well by the way. So two poor choice by two of our managers then.

Jesus. There's something wrong with you. Either you didn't watch any football before this season or you have trouble comprehending the sport.

Jose brought in Falcao as cover. He had a main striker in Costa. Falcao on a loan is the right sort of player for a backup on occasional games and nothing more. Hence why he only made 10 apps in the league and that too mostly off the bench.

LVG brought Falcao to literally be our starting number 9 with 26 Premier league apps in his time with us.

Do you not see the difference?

Martial played the majority of the season up top and we shifted him to accommodate Rashford as LVG wasn’t scared to believe in the youth.

LVG literally said the words "I prefer Martial on the wing. I don't see him as an out and out goal scorer" during an interview. I struggle to now believe you actually followed United much under his reign.

We played possession football if it’s not a variation of tika taka I don’t know what is. It’s certainly not Mourinho football. We went for 80% possession in most games to now hardly having the ball. You seem like the type of guy to say that down to the players regressing as your full of excuses.

Oh I'm not. He bought an in form Schneiderlin and a world class Di Maria and made them look championship standard.

And who gives a monkeys shit about possession if you're only winning half your games?

Daley Blind played in a success back 4 the majority of the second season and held his own. Mourinho’s two CM don’t move like LVG’s so I don’t get why it would all of a sudden become a struggle. Yes no shock he’s gone to Ajax I hardly doubt your Barcelona’s are going to spend £17m on a guy who’s hardly kicked a ball for 2 years.

Mourinho allows for more flexibility from his midfielders, whereas LVG played with two holding strictly and not offending at all. That gives the CB (Blind) a lot more protection than normal.

Blind was available for a cut price, cheap as chips in today's market. And he still wasn't even sniffed out by a club like Roma or Inter, let alone by Barcelona who themselves would happily pay double for a player from the China Superleague. As much as I liked Daley Blind, he wasn't right as a CB in the Premier league unless operating in a back 3 so he was rightfully sold.

 

[Mainoldo]

Jesus. There's something wrong with you. Either you didn't watch any football before this season or you have trouble comprehending the sport.

Jose brought in Falcao as cover. He had a main striker in Costa. Falcao on a loan is the right sort of player for a backup on occasional games and nothing more. Hence why he only made 10 apps in the league and that too mostly off the bench.

LVG brought Falcao to literally be our starting number 9 with 26 Premier league apps in his time with us.

Do you not see the difference?



LVG literally said the words "I prefer Martial on the wing. I don't see him as an out and out goal scorer" during an interview. I struggle to now believe you actually followed United much under his reign.



Oh I'm not. He bought an in form Schneiderlin and a world class Di Maria and made them look championship standard.

And who gives a monkeys shit about possession if you're only winning half your games?



Mourinho allows for more flexibility from his midfielders, whereas LVG played with two holding strictly and not offending at all. That gives the CB (Blind) a lot more protection than normal.

Blind was available for a cut price, cheap as chips in today's market. And he still wasn't even sniffed out by a club like Roma or Inter, let alone by Barcelona who themselves would happily pay double for a player from the China Superleague. As much as I liked Daley Blind, he wasn't right as a CB in the Premier league unless operating in a back 3 so he was rightfully sold.

Diego Costa infront of him he’s a back up striker. Rooney, RVP beside him he’s our main striker? So he wasn’t additional squad depth for us then? We brought him in on a gamble hence why it was a loan? You talk about me not understanding the sport I think you should study abit more football outside of United mate.

That was his assessment after coaching him for a while.. he still spent a lot of time upfront.

If Schneiderlin was so good why didn’t Mourinho keep him? Why he not tearing it up at Everton now? Di Maria plan and simply didn’t want to be here, but we can say LVG ruined him if you like.

Nice comeback about possession football except that had nothing to do with my actual point did it.

Funny you say that go tell the rest of the numptes who claim we can’t play expensive football because we need to protect our back line. Blinds never had a terrible game at CB even for Mourinho. £17m is not cheap for a defender outside of England for Blinds level I don’t get what makes you think that at all.

 

[sunama]

United's away fans are the best in the country in terms of the variety of their songs, but i don't see how it's top class to sing the praises of a man who's served up such dire football over the last few months and done us down in the press with his 'heritage' rants.

I get what you are saying, but a match was being played and our manager/players were battling it out with Burnley's manager/players AND winning.
What do you expect our fans to do? Say that Jose should be sacked and all the players sold? Shout vitriol towards him?

Jose is a top class manager and we need to encourage him to play better and win more games. Remember, he didn't get the players he wanted in the Summer and he is miserable about that, but if we encourage this manager, who is a serial winner and was able to beat teams with far better players than his, maybe, just maybe, he'll be able to work a miracle and beat the teams with better squads than ours.

Being negative and spouting hatred towards our own manger/players won't get better results (assuming that's what you want). You are far more likely to get a better result, if you encourage them.

 

[Ban]

Love the fact he can't bond with the fans without it being staged according to some.

I bet most of them think Klopp's actions are all genuine.

 

[VP89]

Diego Costa infront of him he’s a back up striker. Rooney, RVP beside him he’s our main striker? So he wasn’t additional squad depth for us then? We brought him in on a gamble hence why it was a loan? You talk about me not understanding the sport I think you should study abit more football outside of United mate.

This is hilarious. I literally had to spell out the appearances to show how he had a different role for each club and you still didn't understand.

26 appearances for United

10 appearances for Chelsea

Do you understand now? LVG bought Falcao to be one of the main men whereas he was merely brought for a squad role at Chelsea.

If Schneiderlin was so good why didn’t Mourinho keep him? Why he not tearing it up at Everton now? Di Maria plan and simply didn’t want to be here, but we can say LVG ruined him if you like.

It's really a combination of both. Neither were good enough on a consistent basis but on top of it, LVG played them with bizzare roles. He moved Di Maria from advanced central midfield to LW and RW and then gave up to just use Ashley Young instead. He then took Schneiderlin who was well known for his box to box prowess and made him stick as a holding midfielder which massively stunted his influence. These two were an example of his poor purchase choice and failure to get the best out of them.

Feel free to look at Darmien for an outright poor transfer alongside Falcao. Heck take Scwheinstiger who took liberties with us and went off on extended leave "injured" only to perform well at the World Cup. It's a catelogue of errors and frankly laughable that you think he is even comparable to the good work Mourinho has been doing with us.

Nice comeback about possession football except that had nothing to do with my actual point did it.

You don't have a point in the first place.

You basically ignored the fact that Mourinho has a better win %, better goal difference, better league finish in the 2nd season and pointed to "80% possession" to obsess over.

Funny you say that go tell the rest of the numptes who claim we can’t play expensive football because we need to protect our back line. Blinds never had a terrible game at CB even for Mourinho. £17m is not cheap for a defender outside of England for Blinds level I don’t get what makes you think that at all.

First you say Blind hasn't kicked a ball in 2 years. Then you say he's never had a terrible game under Mourinho, as though to suggest the sample size under Jose was large enough to actually make it a worthy point. Which one is it, or are you moving the goal posts to make your bizzare argument stick?

 

[endless_wheelies]

Tony Adams during the "Luke Shaw" discussion on The Debate tonight. Can't seem to find the Sky Sports headline on this that always accompanies any negative slagging of Jose by an expert

 

[haram]

Tony Adams during the "Luke Shaw" discussion on The Debate tonight. Can't seem to find the Sky Sports headline on this that always accompanies any negative slagging of Jose by an expert

Great to hear, especially the Pereira part.

 

[Isotope]

A 2-0 win against Burnley after a 3-0 lost to Spurs at home, and getting battered by Brighton. I am cautiously excited.

 

[dpansheth]

A 2-0 win against Burnley after a 3-0 lost to Spurs at home, and getting battered by Brighton. I am cautiously excited.

One of the reason why I hate the season following the World Cup. Sometimes it takes a while for the team to show up. Given tactical upheaval going on at the club due to unmet expectations from last season as well as staffing changes, first five games are usually forgiven. Not this season though, we should really push with all we got to challenge Man city.

 

[HailtotheKing]

When you say Pep walked into a better situation you kind of have to explain. KDB was up for grabs for us too. We just decided not to go for him however if the manager wanted him im sure we could have made the deal happen. This City side had a lot of work to fix, they wasn’t playing the Pep way the only player remotely identified who could play his way was KDB and David Silva. This was a team who’s transfer policy consisted of purchasing yes Kompany, Fernandinho, Silva and Augero. However that was over a very long period many in Fergie’s flipping era. After that includes you Dzeko’s, Jovetic, Jack Rodwell, Fernando, Mangala, Jesus Neves, Nasri, Sagna, Clichy, Demichilis. Do you guys wish we had these glorious players? I don’t think you do but this is what Pep had to deal with and fix. So let’s stop acting like his job was a walk in the park. Whilst he was aloud to fix his early mistakes he also learned pretty quickly.

Pep was courted by City from 2012. They hired the Barcelona DOF who was his friend, and the City CEO was also his friend. Both worked with him at Barcelona.
So the ground was laid before he came, and Pellegrini already knew about it too.
Most likely KDB and Sterling were approved by Pep.

What Im saying is the entire organization and structure of the club were being set up to suit him before he even arrived. Contrast that with Jose, who according to many wasn't even wanted by half the board.

Add in the fact that Pep had a much better squad to begin, was under no pressure to sell and could buy whichever replacements he wanted. I'd say that was a much better situation than Jose, who had to deal with a team bought and coached to play a completely opposite style of football by his predecessor.

City had some deadwood sure, the difference is Pep didn't really have to use it, Jose did and is still doing so.

 

[Raoul]

Yes. Here's LVG arguing the fans couldn't want him out because they cheered his song passionately every week

Think Moyes also has a similar quote but can't be bothered

If I didn't actually see him talking I would've thought it was a parody....

 

[el3mel]

Fans are free to boo and cheer. We are free to say when it's uncalled for or stupid. That's all.

These fans pay money to attend matches. They are free to do what they want. If you want to boo the manager, pay money and attend the match to do it yourself. Don't ask for someone else to do your job.

 

[JohnnyKills]

I get what you are saying, but a match was being played and our manager/players were battling it out with Burnley's manager/players AND winning.
What do you expect our fans to do? Say that Jose should be sacked and all the players sold? Shout vitriol towards him?

Jose is a top class manager and we need to encourage him to play better and win more games. Remember, he didn't get the players he wanted in the Summer and he is miserable about that, but if we encourage this manager, who is a serial winner and was able to beat teams with far better players than his, maybe, just maybe, he'll be able to work a miracle and beat the teams with better squads than ours.

Being negative and spouting hatred towards our own manger/players won't get better results (assuming that's what you want). You are far more likely to get a better result, if you encourage them.

You assume wrong.

 

[Mainoldo]

Pep was courted by City from 2012. They hired the Barcelona DOF who was his friend, and the City CEO was also his friend. Both worked with him at Barcelona.
So the ground was laid before he came, and Pellegrini already knew about it too.
Most likely KDB and Sterling were approved by Pep.

What Im saying is the entire organization and structure of the club were being set up to suit him before he even arrived. Contrast that with Jose, who according to many wasn't even wanted by half the board.

Add in the fact that Pep had a much better squad to begin, was under no pressure to sell and could buy whichever replacements he wanted. I'd say that was a much better situation than Jose, who had to deal with a team bought and coached to play a completely opposite style of football by his predecessor.

City had some deadwood sure, the difference is Pep didn't really have to use it, Jose did and is still doing so.

That’s true but I don’t get how you prepare for a coach like Mourinho. You have to remember his task at Chelsea. It was similar to ours and he succeed. So this wasn’t the impossible job. City prepared for Pep differently. They didn’t set up a team for him. They set up a structure, there’s a difference. Sterling and KDB were not Pep signings. Players don’t know background information like that when they sign.

 

[The Firestarter]

If I didn't actually see him talking I would've thought it was a parody....

Somehow I've missed it back then. The Rudy Guliani of football managers.

 

[Mainoldo]

This is hilarious. I literally had to spell out the appearances to show how he had a different role for each club and you still didn't understand.

26 appearances for United

10 appearances for Chelsea

Do you understand now? LVG bought Falcao to be one of the main men whereas he was merely brought for a squad role at Chelsea.

It’s not that I don’t understand what you are saying. I just don’t get the relevance. Your making Falcao sound like we brought Troy Deeney. Do you understand who Falcao was at the time? 2 cruiate injuries can finish your career that’s all I’m saying.

It's really a combination of both. Neither were good enough on a consistent basis but on top of it, LVG played them with bizzare roles. He moved Di Maria from advanced central midfield to LW and RW and then gave up to just use Ashley Young instead. He then took Schneiderlin who was well known for his box to box prowess and made him stick as a holding midfielder which massively stunted his influence. These two were an example of his poor purchase choice and failure to get the best out of them.

Feel free to look at Darmien for an outright poor transfer alongside Falcao. Heck take Scwheinstiger who took liberties with us and went off on extended leave "injured" only to perform well at the World Cup. It's a catelogue of errors and frankly laughable that you think he is even comparable to the good work Mourinho has been doing with us.

Paul Pogba.

You don't have a point in the first place.

You basically ignored the fact that Mourinho has a better win %, better goal difference, better league finish in the 2nd season and pointed to "80% possession" to obsess over.

I wasn’t trying to prove Mourinho is a better manger than LVG lol. I don’t need convincing, I’m asking you if the football we played then was not easier to involve into ‘Pep ball’ than the Moyes tactics we have now.

First you say Blind hasn't kicked a ball in 2 years. Then you say he's never had a terrible game under Mourinho, as though to suggest the sample size under Jose was large enough to actually make it a worthy point. Which one is it, or are you moving the goal posts to make your bizzare argument stick?

Again I’m just answering your question. You said why didn’t the big clubs want him I said who’s going to spend £17m on a player who hasn’t played much football in 2years, never played at the elitist of levels successfully also on high wages? If I was Barcelona or Roma i wouldn’t take the risk either. He was too expensive.

 

[GM K]

Pep was courted by City from 2012. They hired the Barcelona DOF who was his friend, and the City CEO was also his friend. Both worked with him at Barcelona.
So the ground was laid before he came, and Pellegrini already knew about it too.
Most likely KDB and Sterling were approved by Pep.

What Im saying is the entire organization and structure of the club were being set up to suit him before he even arrived. Contrast that with Jose, who according to many wasn't even wanted by half the board.

Add in the fact that Pep had a much better squad to begin, was under no pressure to sell and could buy whichever replacements he wanted. I'd say that was a much better situation than Jose, who had to deal with a team bought and coached to play a completely opposite style of football by his predecessor.

City had some deadwood sure, the difference is Pep didn't really have to use it, Jose did and is still doing so.

I love very, very realistic posts like this.
I am often amazed at how people either forget context or deliberately set them aside so as to justify certain conclusions.

I actually believe that Jose's achievements at United are vastly under rated.

 

[Janson]

Pretty debatable about the players playing for him... That is to be determined. If the first games of the season are any indication then the players don't give a toss about Jose. Of course Shaw is going to play along and say good things... He's not on a suicide mission to leave the club.

If you truly believe it is only the media who is trying to turn people against Jose I don't know what to say other than that is very naive. It is Jose who has turned people against him and no one else. He's done this by acting so petulant and devoid of any happiness or optomism in front of the supporters. The days of his dry humor and charm are over... He now sounds like grumpy old man living in the past and carrying on about how great he used to be. No one cares how many trophies he's won back in the day. And to complain that he's not been backed sufficiently by Woodward and United is just insulting. His signings have left a lot to be desired and that's just the truth. More and more people are starting to get tired of his approach...on and off the pitch. He only has himself to blame.

So you chose to go by the first games and ignore the last two?

 

[Janson]

If we don't make it out of group and and look like we can't compete for the title, then he should be fired in December.

Yeah, we will win the title with this team.

Your expectations are a tad high.

 

[Janson]

Mourinho was willing to allow Martial leave at the expense of Perisic/Willian. Think about that for a second. If anyone at Chelsea had the guts to do what Ed is doing now, Mo Salah and De Bruyne will still be playing for Chelsea.

And Mourinho has been back with over 400M pounds, If Mourinho found a decent signing, Ed will go for it. Toby at 60M? Get out of town. The rhetoric that everybody know Mourinho style is pure nonsense. He's 2004 Chelsea team was very young with only Makalele at 31yrs, same with his Porto side. Mourinho wants to win now to counter the competition, Ed wants to build a legacy. I'm still shocked with how United fans can have issues with Ed's logic to low point of flying a plane.

I have thought about it, and I would have been ecstatic if that would've happened.

 

[Murray3007]

I remember a story of a guy who smoked 3 packs a day and used a program to quit. He became an advocate for quitting smoking, a minor celebrity but was diagnosed with lung cancer at around 75, more than 10 years after quitting.

This is akin to the situation with United and spending. Yes, managers post SAF have spent a lot, but what happened in the years prior to that?

Thats right, Fergie getting a side to compete while playing zombie football, with a declining Rooney and a RVP who was a short-term fix, while talking about a lack of value in the market.

At the same time, City and others had several key players at the club for years. How long has Aguero been at City for? Kompany? Silva?

My point is, spending maybe maaaaybe could have been used as a stick to beat Mourinho with had he taken over right after SAF.

With things being the way they are, he has to deal with both years of not investing during the late Ferguson era as well as the (mostly) poor recruitment done by his predecessors.

BTW, stating the obvious here, but 400 mill nowadays is not nearly as much as it was 5 years ago.

what about the poor recruitment he has done or does that not come in to it ?

 

[Janson]

Why, has the thread been locked, and then unlocked ?

Two people of the same opinion accidentally arguing against each other.

 

[Red_Ramirez]

The snakes can feck off

 

[Janson]

You answered yourself here mate. Now he's at a developing club, he has a board that embrace the tradition of kids, a board that is willing to give him time as long as there is sign of growth, a board that gives a shit about academy players. Why is he still bent on using Abramovic template at Manchester United?

United board can stand few seasons w/o the league as long as they build a team that can dominate for 10years plus. This is a tradition all United fans should embrace not crucify Ed because he refuse to sign a 29yr old defender.

Do you think building a team that's gonna dominate for 10 years is that easy? Just play the kids and they will magically turn in to world beaters and dominate for 10 years.

If you think that's realistic goal, then I don't know what to say to that really. Some people seem to be hoping for a repeat of the Fergie era, which isn't realistic, no matter what we do or who we bring in.

 

[Janson]

Clapping him out to the dugout.

Idiots. Can’t stand sanctimonious gits.

Yeah, they're idiots for supporting the team through thick and thin. Let's just fill the stands with social media moaners, that will help the team.

I think many have a different opinion on who the idiots are.