The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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I’ve been pro Mourinho for a while as he’s a serial winner & is an elite coach who deserved the chance to take charge at United & I was willing to give him a chance.

However now it unfortunately does seem like he still doesn’t really know our best team & we’re not going to get top 4 so it looks like this is only going to go one way. Great manager, great club- just not great for each other it looks like.
Who can replace him though is the big question. I’d like Allegri but I wonder who the board would choose..
 
Top four or no top four being the threshold is such a lazy assessment.

He finished 2nd last season and I still wished he was getting sacked at the time, such was the lack of ambition in our play and how boring we were in general.

We laughed at it before but I really wish we were more like Madrid back in the day.
 
Frankly speaking , he did reasonably well in his first two years here. Winning two trophies and finishing second the next year, while making a cup final. Not bad at all

But now when things have clearly gone to crap, it's time to wake the hell up before it is too late. Another year beyond this season will absolutely crush the club.

The only question for me is, what to do for the remainder of the season as we are basically in limbo
 
DomesticTadpole said:
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Mourinho blamed for bad-blooded Clasicos
Former Barcelona star Andres Iniesta has blamed Jose Mourinho for the bad-blooded El Clasico encounters that took place during the Portuguese’s time in charge of Real Madrid.

“Mourinho was the key component in the bad blood between Barcelona and Real Madrid in that era. Lines were crossed,” Iniesta told laSexta. “This caused a lot of harm in the national team. It was surreal. You didn’t see rivalry, you saw hatred. The environment was cultivated and unbearable.”
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Funny that - Ferdinand said something pretty similar about how the English golden generation let them selves down by being overly competitive & having a bit of hatred build up of each other at club level.

I'd say the golden generation was primarily United, Chelsea & Liverpool in that order.

Funnily enough Chelsea are the ones that might have squeezed in due to Jose - considering United & Liverpool have a reason for a rivalry that has passed through many generations.

The likes of Terry, Ashley Cole, Lampard, Joe Cole were important players as any in that squad. Liverpool only really had Gerrard & Caaragher. Jose I'm sure now made the Chelsea have some evil intent amongst the Chelsea players when maybe they should not have been.

Chelsea 2004 was some of the most largest rivalry that we had in recent times & fair enough that it because they were the title challengers of the time - but no doubt some of that rivalry to that level was unnecessary & caused by Jose's well known them vs us management tactics.
 
Red_toad said:
Sorry mate that's a pipe dream, just as you rate a player highly does in no way mean he can play a role he's not accustomed to at a high level. Pep would buy a specialist, Pereira would be surplus and moved on.
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I was replying to someone questioning what Guardiola would've done in the game against Palace. Do keep up..
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
Funny that - Ferdinand said something pretty similar about how the English golden generation let them selves down by being overly competitive & having a bit of hatred build up of each other at club level.

I'd say the golden generation was primarily United, Chelsea & Liverpool in that order.

Funnily enough Chelsea are the ones that might have squeezed in due to Jose - considering United & Liverpool have a reason for a rivalry that has passed through many generations.

The likes of Terry, Ashley Cole, Lampard, Joe Cole were important players as any in that squad. Liverpool only really had Gerrard & Caaragher. Jose I'm sure now made the Chelsea have some evil intent amongst the Chelsea players when maybe they should not have been.

Chelsea 2004 was some of the most largest rivalry that we had in recent times & fair enough that it because they were the title challengers of the time - but no doubt some of that rivalry to that level was unnecessary & caused by Jose's well known them vs us management tactics.
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You could be right. You wonder if he is getting frustrated because the United and City players are such good friends and it has been that way for almost ever.
 
zenith said:
Frankly speaking , he did reasonably well in his first two years here. Winning two trophies and finishing second the next year, while making a cup final. Not bad at all

But now when things have clearly gone to crap, it's time to wake the hell up before it is too late. Another year beyond this season will absolutely crush the club.

The only question for me is, what to do for the remainder of the season as we are basically in limbo
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There's no way he'll be here next season. He'll be sacked once top 4 becomes mathematically impossible (likely around April). Until then, not much will change.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
The Sanchez purchase will be remembered as what killed him off in my opinion.
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I don't think Sanchez was the turning point.
This season has been the problem - last season we finished 2nd, so there wasn't any danger of the sack, under that circumstance.
1, This season, he has repeatedly played Lukaku when it was quite obvious that he was overweight and out of form. The moment he was "rested", we actually played better and had 4 good games.
Lukaku came back into the team yesterday and the result: 0 goals. Playing with Lukaku is like playing with 10 men.
2, Then we have Matic - a player badly out of form but Jose picks him every match.
3, Then we had Rui Faria leaving - who was a great defensive coach.
4, Then we have Carrick and McKenna, who don't seem to have the ability to coach our team to attack (or defend).
All of the above results in us playing with 9 men, with poor attack/defence.
5, Let's not forget that our team only start to play hard when we are behind. I'd bet that if we had gone a goal behind in the 1st half against CP, we'd have won that match in the 2nd half. It seems impossible for us to successfully attack a team, unless we are behind.

Jose's relax attitude to all this, is utterly bizarre. We are 7th place, and finishing outside the top 4 will see him fired. And where previously I believed that we would comfortably climb into the top 4, I think that that task is looking increasingly difficult, as Jose keeps making the same errors list above.

In summary, it is not just one incident which has led to us in 7th. It is multiple incidents and errors which are still being made, which is keeping us out of the top 4.
 
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Sanchez was definitely the litmus test.

People kept saying 'when Mourinho gets player X, we'll be better' (usually Griezmann). To me, once a player like Sanchez came in and looked like a pub player, I knew it was down to Mourinho and his methods. Everyone looks a level below under him.
 
Shark said:
There’s your answer right there. None of those managers are right for this club and current circumstances.
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I wouldn't want Conte and Zidane, as that would be a long term deal for a manager who I don't think is the right fit for United (Zidane possibly, but I don't want a defensive Conte).

Wenger is an interesting proposition for an interim manager. Attacking, not bad with youth and a good cup manager. Question is whether he'd waht the job on a short term basis and whether he could cope in a set-up that he hadn't built from the bottom up
 
Infra-red said:
There's no way he'll be here next season. He'll be sacked once top 4 becomes mathematically impossible (likely around April). Until then, not much will change.
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I’ll take a long break from the Caf if that’s the case. Is just a whinge fest on here. Just bile and half truths churned our over and over again.
Seems either you moan about everything Jose and blame him for every single thing, or the vultures swoop in and rip onto posters who dare not follow the party line...
 
hellohello said:
So people here who want him gone, do you want him gone right now, do you want an interim until the summer or a new manager who will be given time to get it right?
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Wouldn't mind seeing us appoint somebody like Hiddink until the end of the season. Gives the board (and DOF if we ever get one) time to choose a manager.
 
hellohello said:
So people here who want him gone, do you want him gone right now, do you want an interim until the summer or a new manager who will be given time to get it right?
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Caretaker arrangement till me make a well thought out decision.
 
Adisa said:
Not surprising but disappointing.

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That really is nothing to extinguish the fire that is damaging this club.

Selling just one of Darmian, Rojo or Jones would cover that (wages included). While I'd happily dispense with 11 million of this proposed 100 million transfer kitty

Get McKenna in charge as caretaker, with the tactics he used in the u-18s and some of the players. Not ideal of course, but it will stop the fire spreading and invoke a bit of optimism by bringing back the United way
 
Red_toad said:
I’ll take a long break from the Caf if that’s the case. Is just a whinge fest on here. Just bile and half truths churned our over and over again.
Seems either you moan about everything Jose and blame him for every single thing, or the vultures swoop in and rip onto posters who dare not follow the party line...
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Why? Do you support Mourinho or the club?
 
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CM10 said:
Would be perfect but I suspect there are legalities which prevent that from happening
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Hire another manager and tell the players to ignore everything mourinho says or does (ghost him?). I love the thought of that.

Mourinho can run the press conferences and the pre-matchers.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
LVG third season would have Tuenzebe, TFM, Chong, pereira (though he is brazillian) etc etc getting ample chances around the first team and was sad not to see that continue.
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I remember how boring the football was under LVG.
I remember us never scoring a goal in the 1st half.
I remember that if a team when ahead of us 1-0, that the chance of us coming back was 0%. We sometimes struggled to even create a single shot on target.
I remember the back/side passing, with no intent to score a goal.

Now, you are coming out and saying that if we had kept LVG, then X or Y would have happened. Sorry buddy, but even LVG had fielded the entire U18 team, it would not have made even one bit of difference to the quality of football being played.

Moyes was really bad. Terrible.
LVG was better, but that game against Leicester terrified him and he just wasn't good enough.
Jose was better, but as we are seeing this season, he is out of ideas and taken us as far as he can.

I do agree that Jose, this season, has been terrible, but to somehow make out that LVG would've been good/better, is ludicrous.
 
Adisa said:
Not surprising but disappointing.

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There are some on this forum who still think that we don't run this club as a business.
And regarding £14M, I honestly don't see that as being particularly high.
I can only assume that the club are looking to bring in another manager, who thus far, is not willing to commit.
 
Casanova85 said:
I fail to see why this current season is more acceptable, or better, than Moyes' season.
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Moyes was getting worse, as each game progressed. We were dropping down the table.
Under Jose, there is every chance that we will rise up the table. Of course, only time will tell if Jose achieves this.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
11:30
Mourinho blamed for bad-blooded Clasicos
Former Barcelona star Andres Iniesta has blamed Jose Mourinho for the bad-blooded El Clasico encounters that took place during the Portuguese’s time in charge of Real Madrid.

“Mourinho was the key component in the bad blood between Barcelona and Real Madrid in that era. Lines were crossed,” Iniesta told laSexta. “This caused a lot of harm in the national team. It was surreal. You didn’t see rivalry, you saw hatred. The environment was cultivated and unbearable.”
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I wish he could ingrain this hatred in our own players, vs our opponents.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
11:30
Mourinho blamed for bad-blooded Clasicos
Former Barcelona star Andres Iniesta has blamed Jose Mourinho for the bad-blooded El Clasico encounters that took place during the Portuguese’s time in charge of Real Madrid.

“Mourinho was the key component in the bad blood between Barcelona and Real Madrid in that era. Lines were crossed,” Iniesta told laSexta. “This caused a lot of harm in the national team. It was surreal. You didn’t see rivalry, you saw hatred. The environment was cultivated and unbearable.”
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Yes it has always been Mourinho
 
I hope we don't give him another 100m to waste. Better spent if the next manager gets that extra money.

At this point, I don't trust him to sign good players. All his transfers are looking worse day by day.
 
sunama said:
Moyes was getting worse, as each game progressed. We were dropping down the table.
Under Jose, there is every chance that we will rise up the table. Of course, only time will tell if Jose achieves this.
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Moyes lost the dressing room, there were too many big characters still around the place and they just didnt respect him and the longer it went on, the worse we looked.

As for Jose, of course there is every chance we will rise up the table given where he has got us at present.
 
Shark said:
We lost 0-3 to City and Liverpool at OT. We also lost 0-1 back to back to Newcastle and Everton.

Things aren’t that bad yet.
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We've also lost to 0-3 to Spurs, beaten by Brighton and West Ham, knocked out of league cup by Derby County and sit in 7th with a negative GD equaling worst start for 28 years . We've not played Liverpool yet and already been beAten 3-1 by City. It's just as bad if not worse
 
We must be secretly struggling financially if we can't pay £14M to get rid.

Ed's a businessman, so I'm curious about this non-decision. Our reputation is in the toilet and getting worse as soon as the manager opens his mouth. Sponsors must be twitching a bit, plus good luck trying to get new sponsors with the shite being served up.
Our best players are poised to maybe leave. How much is all that going to cost us overall? £14M looks piss cheap when you look at all the other damage that is being done, and will be done to stick with this.

Am I missing something, or are the people in charge dumb?:confused:
 
Ed Woodward is obviously not too keen on sacking managers mid season so we'll probably have to wait until March at least before he's gone. That's when a top 4 place will be out of reach because I can't see Mourinho turning this around. Even if he did I think everyone has had enough including himself and the fans so he'll probably leave at the end of the season anyway.

I just hope we don't give him any more money because he's wasted too much already. All his transfers have been failures so far.
 
The cost of missing the Champions League would be more than 14 million.

It will take time to find his replacement as a lot of managers have recently moved. Plus there did look to be genuine clear the air talks that resulted in some better performance but that has probably gone with his latest rants.

The time has gone now. To gain top 4 with a new manager was after Jose stuck two fingers up at the board against Spurs.
 
Shark said:
We lost 0-3 to City and Liverpool at OT. We also lost 0-1 back to back to Newcastle and Everton.

Things aren’t that bad yet.
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Give them a chance. We haven't even played Liverpool yet, and we're already further down the table.
 
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