The biggest argument I hear is that "well who do you want to replace him?" which I personally think is irrelevant, as a caretaker would be a much better option then Jose for me... but yeah, some people aren't a fan of the caretaker approach.
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The biggest argument I hear is that "well who do you want to replace him?" which I personally think is irrelevant, as a caretaker would be a much better option then Jose for me... but yeah, some people aren't a fan of the caretaker approach.
Sorry to burst your bubble but there has been quite a few mentions in stories on Martial and DeGea contract situations that they are waiting to see what is happening with Jose.
I keep telling myself this is his last season with us, to try and keep myself sane. Surely there will be a new man in charge next season.
There is no common denominator. Player stalling on contracts is not uncommon. Its like saying Toby's contract demands are a reflection of Poch or Lukaku's refusal to renew with Everton was due to Koeman.
Players' stalling on contract are often due to wages, contract length, playing time or simply seeking a free transfer. It is very rare for contract renewals to stall cos of the manager in charge (and I cant remember a scenario as such).
But some of you are so obsessed with Mourinho and would ascribe even clinton losing the election to him.
the fact he might even survive till the end of the season is a joke in itself.
It’ll be the same as with Moyes where we’ll wait until it’s mathematically impossible for us to make top 4 before sacking him, so we don’t have to pay him as much.
Absolutely no noise at all today?
13 games in with a negative goal difference and closer to the bottom of the table, than the top. Luckiest man in football to still be in a job.
13 games in with a negative goal difference and closer to the bottom of the table, than the top. Luckiest man in football to still be in a job.
That is exactly the problem we are going to have and chances are will not get quality replacements.
Sorry but there is, when a spate of your players are all stalling its more than just a coincidence. It's clear to see our players are all lacking confidence and unhappy at the club bar.
Lukaku wanted the move to a bigger club so he stalled signing, he wanted out. Toby is a singular incident pretty much at Spurs. How many stories are going around of multiple players being unhappy and wanting out of Liverpool, Spurs or City?
All this kind of drama follows Jose around like flies on dung. He's a drama queen!
And some folk are obsessed with blaming anyone but Mourinho and deflecting for him. On route to a worse season than Moyes, currently worse off pts wise and folks would still have him carry on regardless. Any other manager but Jose and they would be lynched for this level of performance.
There is no bubble to burst cos there have been more believable reports that they simply want higher wages than was being offered.
Martial has been reported to want more than the 140k that was initially offered, which is reasonable given he is on 75k currently and Lukaku on 200k and Sanchez on 350k. The problems stems from paying Lukaku and Sanchez those ridiculous wages. (For comparison, Hazard, kane and Salah are on 200k)
DDG is also said to want 300k to be one of the top earners along Pogba and Sanchez. DDG has always leveraged situations to secure higher wages and AFAIK he is already the highest paid GK in the world by a fair margin. Only PSG can match his wages and I would have no problem if he was sold.
Wage demands in transfer negotiations are more believable than them waiting to see what would happen with Mourinho. After all they can always demand a transfer.
So wait it went from there is no mention of them not having any issue with Jose and stalling contracts, to the only believable option is it’s them holding out for more money. Forgive me whilst I
It’s probably a mixture of both in reality money and a distaste of the current leadership.
Other clubs dont offer the ridiculous wages that we are paying mediocre players and thus it not unexpected that every other player feels than can get a better deal than the club would offer.
When we are paying Sanchez 350k it is only normal that better perfroming players demand higher wages and it doesnt matter who the manager is.
The team is playing poorly, and that is on Mourinho, but some of you would twist anything to try and paint him as the source of all problem.
I havent read any of such reports and simply taking your word for it that they do exist.So wait it went from there is no mention of them not having any issue with Jose and stalling contracts, to the only believable option is it’s them holding out for more money. Forgive me whilst I
It’s probably a mixture of both in reality money and a distaste of the current leadership.
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Mourinho blamed for bad-blooded Clasicos
Former Barcelona star Andres Iniesta has blamed Jose Mourinho for the bad-blooded El Clasico encounters that took place during the Portuguese’s time in charge of Real Madrid.
“Mourinho was the key component in the bad blood between Barcelona and Real Madrid in that era. Lines were crossed,” Iniesta told laSexta. “This caused a lot of harm in the national team. It was surreal. You didn’t see rivalry, you saw hatred. The environment was cultivated and unbearable.”
Mourinho blamed for bad-blooded Clasicos
Former Barcelona star Andres Iniesta has blamed Jose Mourinho for the bad-blooded El Clasico encounters that took place during the Portuguese’s time in charge of Real Madrid.
“Mourinho was the key component in the bad blood between Barcelona and Real Madrid in that era. Lines were crossed,” Iniesta told laSexta. “This caused a lot of harm in the national team. It was surreal. You didn’t see rivalry, you saw hatred. The environment was cultivated and unbearable.”
We could lose to Southampton next weekend and he still wouldn't be sacked.
That's the sort of club we are these days.
The question people should be concerntrating on is why the club are still keeping him around, is Jose hand that strong that he can continually bait the board and psychologically get into the head of players, by simply saying the players played with no heart, questioning players commitment, telling them to grow up.
Jose's severance pay is peanuts in the grand scheme of things to the club, there must be something going on behind the scenes, they could get Zidane, Conte or even Wenger tomorrow.
Hard to see the club gettng Poch, when to his release clause will be close to 30 to 40 mill, factor in his wages and his staff, thats quite and outlay.
Jose's severance pay is peanuts in the grand scheme of things to the club, there must be something going on behind the scenes, they could get Zidane, Conte or even Wenger tomorrow.
Hard to see the club gettng Poch, when to his release clause will be close to 30 to 40 mill, factor in his wages and his staff, thats quite and outlay.
There’s your answer right there. None of those managers are right for this club and current circumstances.
If the quote is true, then Jose is indeed an egomaniac and a real cnut.
Zidane will need so so much time to implement his stuff here.
Conte would be Jose V2 and Wenger would be a very short term solution and very unlikely.
Even with the obscene amount of money involved, Poch is close to reality, but only in the summer.
In plain English, he is not fired atm because there aren't any available managers suited for the club. The only one I could think of would be Luis Enrique. (Poch won't leave mid term, Jardim doesn't speak English etc)
Why would Zidane need so so much time to implement his stuff? Does it mean we should never hire him anyway, as the longer we persist with another manager, the more time Zizou would need to implement his stuff?
Why would Conte be Jose V2? Is he famous for falling out with his players or blaming anyone in this world bar himself?
Can't Jardim start working for Utd with an interpreter helping him out, while taking English lessons in due course?
Not surprising. The Classicos of that era were something else in terms of aggressiveness. Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t there reports that Mourinho didn’t like the relationship that the Spanish Madrid players had with their Barcelona counterparts as well?
I think we can all agree that whether we want him here or not, he will be gone in the summer.
We won’t qualify for the CL which will mean he will be sacked, he contract will state top 4 as a target OR entry via other means (Europa League/winning the CL).
None of those are happening so he will be gone. The Glazers and EW will already be sounding out potential managers for next season. They aren’t that incompetent. Remember, Van Gaal and Mourinho were already lined up.
We won’t qualify for the CL which will mean he will be sacked, he contract will state top 4 as a target OR entry via other means (Europa League/winning the CL).
None of those are happening so he will be gone. The Glazers and EW will already be sounding out potential managers for next season. They aren’t that incompetent. Remember, Van Gaal and Mourinho were already lined up.
Iniesta is a Barca man and they all hate Mourinho. Even if this were true, some of Mourinho's actions could be forgiven by the fact that he was up against a great Barca side with Guardiola at the helm. I wouldn't use this as a stick to beat him with.
Not surprising but disappointing.
14 million is nothing. I can't believe we'd be that cheap to keep hold of him if that's all it would cost to bin him off.
If true just makes the board look more incompetent. No one would blinker an eyelid if that’s all it cost. Give him and extra mil to put an injunction on his mouth too.
This. He won a league title, at all costs, against one of the GOAT club sides. Can't argue against that.
I mean, I understand that this would be an excessive pay off, but surely the risk of missing out on the CL, which seems very likely at this time, another brand damaging season, risk of players potentially leaving and all of this, do these other factors not probably add up to more than that 14 million?
Also I’ve said this before, but there has to be something wrong with the way we do our manager contracts. Every club sacks managers, but we’re the only club that you always hear about these excessive severance costs. I’m welcome to be proven wrong on this of course, but this is something I’ve thought was strange for a while now.
We're not. Honestly, I think believing that the club is refusing to sack him because of a potential 14m payoff is kind of silly. That kind of logic would make sense if this were crystal palace's manager. This club has the funds and is also fighting for a position that would potentially bring in a lot more money next season.
Old people have been complaining about young people since Ancient Greece, so when Mourinho and other dusty oldies say shit like "DAE think this generation sucks" as if they're better that us it just makes me laugh.
£14m really seems like a drop in the ocean when we're talking about ridding the club of its most harmful influence.
It was mourinhos idea to buy these mediocre players for a premium
The decision on a manager at this club is binary .Finsh top four or don't finish top four. It's such a depressing way of judging managers. I doubt Ed Looks at the type of football being played. So many people at this club need to feck off.
That would be true for any other player bar Iniesta, the guy's class through and through. Probably one of the most beloved players ever.
A, player that was getting ovation from every home crowd in La Liga, one of the few barcelona player go receive that honor at 'Bernabeu'.
Conte is the same type of aggressive manager and his football is quite similar to Jose's. When he wins it's alright, but when he loses he's the same type as Mourinho, blaming everyone around him but him. And he did have some fights with his players. (Actually a few of them came out in public saying they weren't going to stay at Chelsea if he was still the manager.)
@Jardim, yeah, you're right, he could start with a translator and I think he'd be a good appointment, hopefully someone on the board sees that as well.
@ZIDANE, his RM team played some outrageous football at times (remember when they absolutely outplayed Barca in the supercup and even Pique came out in public and said they were completely outclassed), but that's also due to having some really top notch players. I can't really think of our players being able to pass - move - turn - etc like Zidane's Madrid ones were doing. Implementing that in our team would take time and would cost a shitload of money as we just don't have the right players imo.
Nice generalisation you got going on there. Jose is talking about maturity, notice how he's mentioned Jesse but not a younger Lukaku.
You done know you'll reach a level of maturity one day don't you? Maybe then you'll be able to laugh at your own dusty old self...
Would be perfect but I suspect there are legalities which prevent that from happening
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