While I can kind of understand the "Not Yet" voters, for those who answered "No", does that mean that you have no doubts that he is the manager to take us forwad long term?
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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He's gone even if we some how get top four.
This.
I chose 'no' at the time as I felt he deserved at least half this season to see if we could build on last season's 2nd place.
It's clear now that it hasn't made any difference. I'm admitting a change is needed, but I'm not changing my vote on a poll from a few months ago
Even though I didnt like the restrictive football we played under LVG - I thoroughly enjoyed watching youngsters playing every game - almost having a debut for one every 2 or 3 matches. Was fantastic and towards the end I could see that he seemed to have recovered from the poor start to the season with players like Rashford, martial playing well, Smalling and Blind, TM and CBJ, Varela, etc etc I just kind of wanted to see it continue to see what other players we could unearth. I never wanted Jose to come in and drop LVG because I could see that his ethos is completely different to United's from the start and different to LVG's even if he was a winner in the past.
LVG third season would have Tuenzebe, TFM, Chong, pereira (though he is brazillian) etc etc getting ample chances around the first team and was sad not to see that continue.
LVG third season would have Tuenzebe, TFM, Chong, pereira (though he is brazillian) etc etc getting ample chances around the first team and was sad not to see that continue.
Because Jose doesn't want energy and tenacity in there. He wants size and experience, even if to the detriment of the team. Nemanja Matic is actually the living, breathing personification of what is wrong with Jose Mourinho in 2018 and why he will never be the man to take this team forward. He would rather stick to 'what he knows', even when it's failing horribly, than try something new.
This is something I'd struggle to get at all - even if you're still somehow want him to be here, as a manager he never remains with a club beyond three or four years, and so there's no reason to believe he'll do so here. If he's here this time next year it'll quite literally be the longest he's been at any club.
We weren't necessarily playing youngsters under LVG because he had ample faith in them - it was because he'd failed to address key squad deficiencies properly and because several first-team players were playing poorly. If he'd been concerned about promoting youth then he'd have dropped Rooney in about September, for example, instead of persisting with him for the entire season and often shifting Martial out wide when he was clearly the better option up top.
Even at the end of the season under him we weren't great. We lost five league games from January onwards and never won more than two on the bounce. Far from impressive.
It's simple, he thinks Matic is 'loyal' to him - that is more important to Jose than how he plays. Matic would have to piss him off personally before Jose drops hin. Sounds crazy, but that's the way Jose rolls.
Honestly at the point now where I'm past caring. The whole club is an absolute joke, and the priorities are all wrong. I thought José was going to be the guy to bring us back to the top, but it simply hasn't worked out and he has to go now.
See I was a supporter of him at the time and I remember him saying that he purposely kept the squad low to give youngsters chances. I was happy with that. I was not happy with Rooney however - and to me he was given a freedom of passage to the starting XI as our club captain & leader because everything around him was young and unexperienced or changing literally every single match. I could understand that even though he should have been dropped.
For me once Rashford came in to the team we became much more pleasant to watch even though it wasnt at all jaw dropping football by any means. As I said - many supporters argue that he failed to address the deficiencies of the squad; but he himself said that he kept it low to give chances to kids and that is what managed to unearth Rashford for us. I wanted to see that continue more than Jose coming in; because one was much more a long term option whilst the other one as described above by fans was a soul destroying short term fix that resembled a business over anything else.
I’d argue we have had a big fan base since way before the Liverpool era, though I’m not disputing our general preferred playing ethos would have been admired by others rather than groaned at. We were only groaned at when we started cleaning up the silverware as well
Be careful what you wish for though; Spurs, another club with a reputation for trying to “play with flair” haven’t won a league title since 1961. But they try & play nice football. So, is that enough? Do you want to wait 50 odd years for another league title? Of course we have superior finances than them but taking the point to its extreme...
I’d be happy somewhere in the middle ground personally. There is always room for some pragmatism; hell, even SAF sometimes adopted the pragmatic approach when needed. We arguably wouldn’t have won the CL in 2008 without it. But hey, we could have gone toe to toe with Barca (and probably lost).
So, far from black and white imho. Why not a bit of both. Maybe not as much as Jose advocates maybe but still
This is beyond a joke now, Jose needs to go. Mighty Man Utd are the laughing stock of English football & quite frankly it’s embarrassing. It’s the same rubbish every week & I’ve had enough. The worst thing is we’re not even a top 4 team anymore & that’s a reality. There’s no enjoyment no thrill no excitement just bored out of our brains.
For me the biggest culprits are the board who are refusing to take any action which will only backfire when it’s goes to the extreme. We need a new face but it has to be done now otherwise I can see this spiralling into a new high of a horror season in recent times.
For me the biggest culprits are the board who are refusing to take any action which will only backfire when it’s goes to the extreme. We need a new face but it has to be done now otherwise I can see this spiralling into a new high of a horror season in recent times.
To all those hanging onto Jose can I suggest they watch the highlights from the Women's game today.
You will see a United side that intimidated the opposition from the warm up.
A united side that clearly played for each other with no divisions
A united side well drilled in attacking methods that switched play quickly.
A united side that dominated possession and throttled the opposition to the point of utter exhaustion.
A united side that played from the first minute to the last with a beguiling mix of intensity, skill, craft and effort.
A united side that created chance after chance with multiple threats.
Watching those highlights will make you realise what you have been missing from your beloved team and realise that Jose will NEVER bring that to the team.
You will see a United side that intimidated the opposition from the warm up.
A united side that clearly played for each other with no divisions
A united side well drilled in attacking methods that switched play quickly.
A united side that dominated possession and throttled the opposition to the point of utter exhaustion.
A united side that played from the first minute to the last with a beguiling mix of intensity, skill, craft and effort.
A united side that created chance after chance with multiple threats.
Watching those highlights will make you realise what you have been missing from your beloved team and realise that Jose will NEVER bring that to the team.
Enough is enough. We need to part ways with him.
We need someone with no favourite players. Someone who will hook someone immediately if they are having a stinker.
Drop players if they aren’t playing for the TEAM.
I can’t believe they are still playing like a bunch of individuals after all this time.
Drop players if they aren’t playing for the TEAM.
I can’t believe they are still playing like a bunch of individuals after all this time.
Absolutely this!
Just want to share very interesting (and long) story about Jose.
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/25145480/jose-mourinho-last-stand
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/25145480/jose-mourinho-last-stand
These threads pop up all the time but the reality is that Mourinho will be here until it's no longer possible to finish top 4. We have precedent of this. The people in charge don't make difficult decisions - they have others make them on their behalf.
Where is this coming from?
Thats a mentality of worshipers, not supporters, when leader was on high, certain folks feel empowered to have go in any way at those who dare to critic their leader. When table starts turning, they change a tune, suddenly people being reminded how we are all same people etc.
We're at the stage now where the board's negligence is going to cost us CL qualification. Just bite the bullet, pay the man his due compensation and finally be rid of his toxic management once and for all.
Pretty sure some of them were the most negative witch hunters in the Pogba, Shaw and Martial threads over the past year as well. Best to ignore. Some of these would buy used Mourinho underwear on ebay if they could
For people that don’t want to change manager, just look at Arsenal.
Wenger had a dynasty just as much as Fergie, but he wasn’t the same anymore.
They’ve now got a manager with hunger and drive and haven’t been beaten in 17 matches.
What big changes have they made? 300m required? Nope. Just hard work and confidence.
Wenger had a dynasty just as much as Fergie, but he wasn’t the same anymore.
They’ve now got a manager with hunger and drive and haven’t been beaten in 17 matches.
What big changes have they made? 300m required? Nope. Just hard work and confidence.
This thread serves only for scoring points and calling names. Tedious stuff.
The poll doesn't matter as it should be clear. 9/10 points behind top four is a disgraceful attempt at management.
The man is earning £15m a year. He should be ashamed of himself.
The man is earning £15m a year. He should be ashamed of himself.
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Martial thread during the summer was something alright, its weird and fecked up when you base your stance towards certain player/s based on him/them being used or not by other side as a weapon against someone you worship.
Never had anything against supporters of current United manager, thats more then fine but there is a group of people here who behaved in certain manner towards other posters, just because they dared to have a go at their cult leader. Similarities with whole Trump thing is uncanny,
I was in minority before JM became our manager, in those 19%, i really hoped that he would see as "finally,this is it bois, i really dont wanna feck up here" kinda thing, that he would meet us half way and at least try to adopt our ways as club with him being winner on top, sadly it never happened imo, that pisses me off a bit. Then from hope of him and club being one to him going full free for all mode, where he just cared for his own rep.
All that said, never asked for his head, even now i didnt vote yes for him being sacked, for my own reasons but that doesnt mean i am mindless drone and wont shit all over him for certain things he doing over and over again.
Its a simple equation. Money invested + expectation = further behind than when he took over. People claiming he had this uphill task etc but I cannot recall us being so far off the coveted top 4 even under Moyes! I mean its our worst start in 28 years so the data is clear, despite breaking EPL transfer records. Literally no bang from the buck. He has taken us backwards, started attacking the players, which is usually a sign of the end. Its sad because I thought he could be Peps nemesis but this is no rivalvy. He is struggling to compete with even the 2nd tier managers and new arrivals. I guess we won the Europa and Carling Cup
Pochettino does a fabulous job. It tends to be those loyal to Mourinho that denounce the work he’s done at Spurs. Like criticising him for not winning a trophy even though Spurs have no real right being in the top four, never mind challenging for top honours.
Lukaku has shown himself to be a goal machine, that's why we brought him and that's what he delivered in his first season.
Jose seems to have forgotten how to use him.
This new fella isn’t the reason Arsenal haven’t been beaten in 17 games. That’s down to Emery’s work with the team. This bloke could have kept Wenger on and the outcome would be very much the same as last season.
This isn’t to say that a good ‘Head of Football’ is a bad thing. But it only helps so much. If there are huge issues with coaching and motivation (which was clear under Wenger) then a change simply has to be made. Emery has (more or less) the same group of players and made them difficult to beat. That’s impressive.
Utd have basically thrown mourinho under the bus that’s why Ed won’t fire him. Had to buy a top cb like he asked... especially with his plans to play a more expansive style....
it’s nonsense to argue don’t give him more money to spend as we now face losing the $$ the club was trying to save if we lose cl qualification.
He’s basically had to shop for discount cb’s. Does anyone believe Jose had £60m budget to spend on one defender and he chose to buy Bailly(whom he pointed out at the time was one for the future) and Lindeloef?
it’s nonsense to argue don’t give him more money to spend as we now face losing the $$ the club was trying to save if we lose cl qualification.
He’s basically had to shop for discount cb’s. Does anyone believe Jose had £60m budget to spend on one defender and he chose to buy Bailly(whom he pointed out at the time was one for the future) and Lindeloef?
Liverpool splashed £75m for one and City £60m and £50m respectively ... in that position.
Besides football is not an exact science.
Besides football is not an exact science.
I didn't say Jose was part of the fix, of course he's not. It's just that some seem to think it's as simple as getting a new manager in, and we'll be fighting for the title. Our players are just not of that quality, and we will need massive upgrades along with a new manager, before we are at that level.
It's obvious when you're reading some of the posts in here that our players are being way overrated. Only the fact that Martial is our best attacker right now shows the state of our offense.
He has working with those players for over 2 years and he knows that Matic is not good to break down opponent attack. And he should know he doesnt have a Makele, Essien or Cambiasso here with United or at least a Kante for Leicester. Those who were and are really good to break down opponent attack and to start the counter really precise and quick.
So the point is this United squad are best to play on the front foot, not to play on the counter attack tactic into big games or against teams he fear has quick players. He believe in his counter tactic, but he shall not forget which playerd made his counter attack effience in big games. Not only with a top dcm players. He doesnt have a world class CB like Desailly, Lucio, Terry or Carvahlo. So there are those big reasons why Mourinho doesnt get most success as before right now. And then he can expect United players to achieve and do as good as his previous world class players. If Mourinho will win big trophies again, he has to find and buy those world class players to make his tactic works. If not then he is living in his past glories.
Different factors = different result. Different quality of the unit of the car. Lesser poor wheel, lower engine and others part of the car. Then result and the max level and pontential of car will not be the same. Even how much good driver you are. Right now, City and Liverpool are having the best cars out there. Drive with full gas on. And Mourinho with a worse car level and still he is not putting on the max gas. Then the tables are just showing the naturally result and effect of all the units that got involved in a football team like all the units in the car.
But in the end. He did have enough money and time to trip and level up the car he was taking over. A United car that were full of problems. So how the level and pontential of the United car right now. Was up to him, alot. Had money and had the last decisions of most of the transfer in and out. So sum it up. Its not about the modern football causes him problems, but he doesnt have world class players playing for him right now. Like a leader need top warriors and soldiers to win battles. A leader is absolutely nothing without top great warriors. BUt a top leader at his peak, are mostly meant to work with the best players and warriors. So without top players playing for Mourinho right now, if consider Pogba as world class. Then maybe there are signs he is over his peak period. Pep and Klopp era in premier league right now?With a Poch for Spurs as challenger. Mourinho maybe is more of Air Alex and Wenger era. Mourinho star and bank of luck has maybe ran out. Then its nothing much you cant do. When a star is burning out, it will not get back to its most lightest.
So with all the signs with him at United. Poor signs im observing. I think and predict his time at United is really soon over. I think only United are second in champion league group is delating his end time. But if United go to the knock out stage and get knock out. Then the chance to win European cup to get you into champion league the season after, will be gone. Then like LVG no top 4 and no champion league football. He will leave United at the end of the season. So i think it depend on the top 4 out of reach and how United is doing in the champion league, before he got the axe from the board. Think the board are sitting on the hence now. There are two factors to got sack.
So the point is this United squad are best to play on the front foot, not to play on the counter attack tactic into big games or against teams he fear has quick players. He believe in his counter tactic, but he shall not forget which playerd made his counter attack effience in big games. Not only with a top dcm players. He doesnt have a world class CB like Desailly, Lucio, Terry or Carvahlo. So there are those big reasons why Mourinho doesnt get most success as before right now. And then he can expect United players to achieve and do as good as his previous world class players. If Mourinho will win big trophies again, he has to find and buy those world class players to make his tactic works. If not then he is living in his past glories.
Different factors = different result. Different quality of the unit of the car. Lesser poor wheel, lower engine and others part of the car. Then result and the max level and pontential of car will not be the same. Even how much good driver you are. Right now, City and Liverpool are having the best cars out there. Drive with full gas on. And Mourinho with a worse car level and still he is not putting on the max gas. Then the tables are just showing the naturally result and effect of all the units that got involved in a football team like all the units in the car.
But in the end. He did have enough money and time to trip and level up the car he was taking over. A United car that were full of problems. So how the level and pontential of the United car right now. Was up to him, alot. Had money and had the last decisions of most of the transfer in and out. So sum it up. Its not about the modern football causes him problems, but he doesnt have world class players playing for him right now. Like a leader need top warriors and soldiers to win battles. A leader is absolutely nothing without top great warriors. BUt a top leader at his peak, are mostly meant to work with the best players and warriors. So without top players playing for Mourinho right now, if consider Pogba as world class. Then maybe there are signs he is over his peak period. Pep and Klopp era in premier league right now?With a Poch for Spurs as challenger. Mourinho maybe is more of Air Alex and Wenger era. Mourinho star and bank of luck has maybe ran out. Then its nothing much you cant do. When a star is burning out, it will not get back to its most lightest.
So with all the signs with him at United. Poor signs im observing. I think and predict his time at United is really soon over. I think only United are second in champion league group is delating his end time. But if United go to the knock out stage and get knock out. Then the chance to win European cup to get you into champion league the season after, will be gone. Then like LVG no top 4 and no champion league football. He will leave United at the end of the season. So i think it depend on the top 4 out of reach and how United is doing in the champion league, before he got the axe from the board. Think the board are sitting on the hence now. There are two factors to got sack.
Abso-fecking-lutely.
Get rid.
Get rid.
That doesn't make it any less necessary. Signing a quality RW won't make all our problems go away either. But we definitely have to do it. You don't stop fixing the problem because it takes more than one action to do so.
But a large number of these players were bought by Jose. Yet another nail to hos coffin surely.
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