The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%
  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%
  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%

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    2,977
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Until we beat a a shitty team like Southampton and then he is back to being best since slice bread.

United fans are turning into lfc fans....delusional, fickle!
Liverpool fans worship their managers though unless it’s Hodgson. United fans are actually realistic (apart from a tiny amount of fans who don’t want us to sack Jose because it makes us ‘like Chelsea’ :wenger:)
 
Here ya go chicken https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mourinho-set-to-sign-contract-extension-done.435661/.

I have one post in there and I said “fantastic”. I feel sick :(

At least I’m not one of the many in here that just want to be right on the internet and I could adjust my opinion based on current circumstances rather than blind arrogance.

Thanks. And this thread too https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mou...-for-a-further-year-as-standard.435979/page-2

Think about 95% of the sentiment at that time was positive to extremely positive. Which just goes to show how badly he conned everyone at that time. When in actuality, that contract extension was one of the worst decisions to be taken post Fergie.
Personally I remember being completely mad about the extension but didn't post about it as everyone seemed so merry. Never like Mourinho since Day 1 :mad:
 
@Sassy Colin I don't really need to justify anything, Moyes wasn't a young manager and he isn't close to be like Favre or Bielsa. I don't even know why you would take a sentence out of context like that.
 
Liverpool fans worship their managers though unless it’s Hodgson. United fans are actually realistic (apart from a tiny amount of fans who don’t want us to sack Jose because it makes us ‘like Chelsea’ :wenger:)

You sure, wait til we play Young Kids this week and he will back to being fickle.

Hurts me saying it but our supporters are becoming a parody of lfc fans.
 
Jose has robbed me of one of the joys in my life. Watching and cheering on United. Go just go. I was one of his strongest supporters. The camel's back has been broken.

What? Were you enjoying watching us play under Van Gaal?
 
Christ these no voters are a stubborn bunch. Please tell me why 30% want Mourinho to carry on.
 
Just seeing that I didn't post in the renewal thread. I wasn't pleased but knew if I said it, I would get hounded out. :lol:
 
You weren't an idiot, I wasn't optimistic about Mourinho but the arguments were understandable. Personally, I wanted a young manager or someone like Favre because the club is in a situation where it needs someone that wants to build something, trace his own path or someone that has a genuine passion for the basics of football like Favre or Bielsa. I still believe that Van Gaal had the correct profile, he just wasn't the correct man due to some of his shortcomings.
The issue with Mourinho is that his legacy his established, he is and will most likely look in the rear-view mirror for the rest of his career and some of his comments confirms it. We can't blame him but we shouldn't accept it because it doesn't benefit the club, we need someone that sees United has the actual pinnacle of his career, as the opportunity of a life time.
When Mourinho talks, you get the impression he is telling people that because he's won trophies before, none of the problems at the club have anything to do with him. Look at how many times he's insisted he'd beaten Man Utd in important games?
He sees himself as a completely separate entity from the club. Have you ever heard Mourinho refer to the club as we? People might say things like that don't matter but they absolutely do. To him, the successes belong to him and the failures belongs to the club. Fergie always talked about the club as part of his identity, he never separated the club from himself.
As you said we should not stand for that.
Mourinho has been in self preservation mode as soon as it became apparent we weren't competing for the title right from his first season.
We are just another club to Mourinho. He doesn't give a single feck about our ethos. We are just a tool to further his legacy in his mind. We owe him nothing.
 
What this fascination with 'finishing top 4' is I don't get! We are fast becoming the joke that was levelled at Arsenal for years. This season is gone, accept it, but a club of Utd stature should not reward mediocrity and I'd wager is precisely the reason why so many players out in mediocre performances...lack of accountability.
I agree, I just think it’s linked to a clause whereby we can get rid of him with a lower pay off
 
Just seeing that I didn't post in the renewal thread. I wasn't pleased but knew if I said it, I would get hounded out. :lol:
It's quite unbelievable, looking back now, that that thread happened this year.
 
I agree, I just think it’s linked to a clause whereby we can get rid of him with a lower pay off
And we will have more managers to chose from in the summer.We can’t sack him now and appoint Carrick as interim manager for the next 6 months,especially not when we are still in the CL and the FA Cup.An experienced manager like Jose can set us up in a better way in Europe....
 
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Talk about value for money.

That is why people think Pochettino is do such a great job, me included. Spurs shouldn't be competing with the top five on their resources, but do every season, pushing way above their weight. Also shows what a good job Eddie Howe is doing at Bournemouth, & an appalling one Mourinho is doing.
 
I don't get Mourinho. Surely after Real 12/13 and Chelsea 15/16, you'd think that he would have adapted his player management skillset. It's like he refuses to adapt or learn. He should have built on last season and keep the squad motivated and determined. Instead, he already started moaning in preseason.

That's normal in football managers hence why even the best become obsolete. There are very few people like saf
 
That is why people think Pochettino is do such a great job, me included. Spurs shouldn't be competing with the top five on their resources, but do every season, pushing way above their weight. Also shows what a good job Eddie Howe is doing at Bournemouth, & an appalling one Mourinho is doing.
I'd just say it shows that United's players are overpaid for what they deliver. It leaves space for anti-Ed/pro-Mou interpretation as well, as some posters here surely prefer.
 
The difference in ambition is them getting pep and we getting the dinosaur

That is a big part of the problem but when pep signed bravo and he failed, the club backed him with money to buy ederson.

When Jose bought centerbacks and they didn’t do well, a new one was out of the question.

They have more faith in pep because they put more thought into who they hired. Our club in the worst run big club and it’s all falling apart at the moment
 
I'd just say it shows that United's players are overpaid for what they deliver. It leaves space for anti-Ed/pro-Mou interpretation as well, as some posters here surely prefer.

True so let’s sign more players on big wages. Solves absolutely nothing! Maybe you should think of another solution to our problem, because Ronaldo on £400k is not going to fix this.
 
That Newcastle-win really was the worst fecking thing that could've happenened. It took most of the pressure off him and now we're definitely stuck with him till the end of the season.
 
We've dropped 18 points from the first 39, if that were replicated throughout the rest of the season we'd finish with 60.
 
That is a big part of the problem but when pep signed bravo and he failed, the club backed him with money to buy ederson.

When Jose bought centerbacks and they didn’t do well, a new one was out of the question.

They have more faith in pep because they put more thought into who they hired. Our club in the worst run big club and it’s all falling apart at the moment
That is right which is why it was madness to give him that extension
 
That Newcastle-win really was the worst fecking thing that could've happenened. It took most of the pressure off him and now we're definitely stuck with him till the end of the season.

Gary Neville. I keep saying it. He screwed the fans over. I respect his heart might have been in the right place but you drove the fans to back the manager and worry about board problems which is another issue for another day.
 
When Mourinho talks, you get the impression he is telling people that because he's won trophies before, none of the problems at the club have anything to do with him. Look at how many times he's insisted he'd beaten Man Utd in important games?
He sees himself as a completely separate entity from the club. Have you ever heard Mourinho refer to the club as we? People might say things like that don't matter but they absolutely do. To him, the successes belong to him and the failures belongs to the club. Fergie always talked about the club as part of his identity, he never separated the club from himself.
As you said we should not stand for that.
Mourinho has been in self preservation mode as soon as it became apparent we weren't competing for the title right from his first season.
We are just another club to Mourinho. He doesn't give a single feck about our ethos. We are just a tool to further his legacy in his mind. We owe him nothing.
And yet fans at the stadium support him like he has achieved so much for us. Its infuriating. The club is so much bigger than he'll ever be.
 
Gary Neville. I keep saying it. He screwed the fans over. I respect his heart might have been in the right place but you drove the fans to back the manager and worry about board problems which is another issue for another day.
It was a combination of him and the fans. There's nothing wrong with not booing the manager, but to proudly back him like he deserves it? At this point we all know Woody is a pussy. He got scared off by the pressure from the media and fans. I'm sick of this being the 3rd time this has happened to us. I'm sick of fans being stubborn and backing something that is clearly setting the club back.
 
That is a big part of the problem but when pep signed bravo and he failed, the club backed him with money to buy ederson.

When Jose bought centerbacks and they didn’t do well, a new one was out of the question.

They have more faith in pep because they put more thought into who they hired. Our club in the worst run big club and it’s all falling apart at the moment
City bought Bravo for £17 million whilst the centre backs we signed costed in excess of £60 million. After Guardiola decided he doesn't want Hart they really needed 2 Goalkeepers and bravo is still on their books as a back up. And that's just scratching the surface of some badly needed context in this overused comparison.
 
That Newcastle-win really was the worst fecking thing that could've happenened. It took most of the pressure off him and now we're definitely stuck with him till the end of the season.

The fact we scraped a home win against one of the worst sides in the league and people on here were ecstatic tells you everything really.
 
That is a big part of the problem but when pep signed bravo and he failed, the club backed him with money to buy ederson.

When Jose bought centerbacks and they didn’t do well, a new one was out of the question.

They have more faith in pep because they put more thought into who they hired. Our club in the worst run big club and it’s all falling apart at the moment

It doesn't work though. You are comparing one failure at a given position that was replaced once, while Mourinho had two failures at one position and wanted to fix it a third time with a player that provided zero guarantee. It's a false equivalence.

The reality is that Guardiola hasn't failed multiple times on the same positions, City's signings are actually interesting because the players that they brought for the first XI have for the majority been successes, the squad players have been decent squad players. You could say that Nolito, Bravo and Gundogan were supposed to be bigger contributors but City didn't bring Sanchez, Jorginho or Fred.

Edit: There is a bad pattern at United under Mourinho.

Bailly->Lindelof-> someone else
Ibrahimovic->Lukaku-> someone else
Mkhitaryan->Sanchez-> someone else

You can't have that type of turnover on a yearly a basis.
 
And what if Jose succeeds?; at best, we'd be an unlovable winning machine featuring Terminator-like drones. Sure, the trophies would be great but, for many of us, United's (historical) winning of cups and titles isn't the reason why we support the club...even in the times when United won few things while Liverpool bored and backpassed their way to numerous Leagues and European Cups, we still gained many new fans; why? because our teams often dared to play exciting and imaginative football, football with elan and flair. So, for plenty of supporters, getting back on top isn't everything (as important as that certainly is) - bragging rights and profit margins are minor things compared to the soul of a club.

We had the club's soul sold from under us when the money men recruited gun-for-hire Mourinho; nothing says more about them than that cold and utterly pragmatic decision, and it marked us out as the business that we are...hopefully, now that he's firing blanks, we'll soon get a little of our club back.
 
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And what if Jose succeeds?; at best, we'd be an unlovable winning machine featuring Terminator-like dones. Sure, the trophies would be great but, for many of us, United's (historical) winning of cups and titles isn't the reason why we support the club...even in the times when United won few things while Liverpool bored and backpassed their way to numerous Leagues and European Cups, we still gained many new fans; why? because our teams often dared to play exciting and imaginative football, football with elan and flair. So, for plenty of supporters, getting back on top isn't everything (as important as that certainly is) - bragging rights and profit margins are minor things compared to the soul of a club.

We had the club's soul sold from under us when the money men recruited gun-for-hire Mourinho; nothing says more about them than that cold and utterly pragmatic decision, and it marked us out as the business that we are...hopefully, now that he's firing blanks, we'll soon get a little of our club back.
Best post I’ve read on here in ages.
 
And what if Jose succeeds?; at best, we'd be an unlovable winning machine featuring Terminator-like drones. Sure, the trophies would be great but, for many of us, United's (historical) winning of cups and titles isn't the reason why we support the club...even in the times when United won few things while Liverpool bored and backpassed their way to numerous Leagues and European Cups, we still gained many new fans; why? because our teams often dared to play exciting and imaginative football, football with elan and flair. So, for plenty of supporters, getting back on top isn't everything (as important as that certainly is) - bragging rights and profit margins are minor things compared to the soul of a club.

We had the club's soul sold from under us when the money men recruited gun-for-hire Mourinho; nothing says more about them than that cold and utterly pragmatic decision, and it marked us out as the business that we are...hopefully, now that he's firing blanks, we'll soon get a little of our club back.

Great post. Bolded bit has been my thought for months. We sold our soul for a quick fix. Mourinho is the complete opposite of a Manchester United manager.
 
You sure, wait til we play Young Kids this week and he will back to being fickle.

Hurts me saying it but our supporters are becoming a parody of lfc fans.

Nah it's not that our fans flip flop, it's that Jose In fans hide when results go bad. One win and they are out shiting on about a good run of form. Most fans who wanted him gone maintained that point of view during our lucky wins over the past few months.

And that is exactly what they were. Luck.
 
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