The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Adisa]

Here ya go chicken https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mourinho-set-to-sign-contract-extension-done.435661/.

I have one post in there and I said “fantastic”. I feel sick

At least I’m not one of the many in here that just want to be right on the internet and I could adjust my opinion based on current circumstances rather than blind arrogance.

Looks like Holt was right in the end.

Ollie Holt really, really, REALLY hates us, right?

That thread shows that accusing Caf members of agendas is pure disingenuous. The last 10 months have been tumescent shit.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Maybe as one off but then players need replacing. I'm not sure our financial picture suggests we can write off £25m+ and the Glazers won't be bothered about it.

Thanks - looks like player wages are killing us. We definitely need to be selling players to free up wages by the looks of it.

 

[LeftyBlaster]

It doesn't soothe a lack of trophies. But it makes the experience a whole lot more entertaining/interesting. If you had prior knowledge of us not winning the league for the next ten years would you stop watching? Personally, for me the quality and entertainment of the football absolutely matters. I watch football, after all, due to my emotional investment and the entertainment factor as well. Otherwise I'd just watch the live score update and be done with it.

Good football is a prerequisite for winning trophies. If we play we know we’re always in with a shot. I hate it when people come up with the “but good football doesn’t guarantee trophies” argument. It’s weak and bullshit. Are Liverpool or Spurs guaranteed to win a trophy? No. Are they more likely to win one instead of us and show progress towards winning one? Anyone who says otherwise is either brain dead dumb or lying to himself.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Looks like Holt was right in the end.

That thread shows that accusing Caf members of agendas is pure disingenuous. The last 10 months have been tumescent shit.

Aye, the whole ‘agenda’ narrative has proven to be bollox umpteen times and there’s multiple threads as proof. Won’t stop the pro-Jose brigade using it as they would use any lie at this stage to push their narratives.

 

[MDFC Manager]

He didn't actually con anyone then. He simply regressed.

In the first half of his 1st season, despite the draws, we actually played some good football, creating a lot of chances. Second half was crap, but could be attributed to fixture congestion due to the EL. Then in the first half of his second season, we were clinical, but our style of play wasn't as good -- there was a clear regression from the eye-catching style of last season. But he was using Martial and Rashford very well, rotating them and helping their game. So we felt it was a matter of time before he achieved the combination of 1st season's style + 2nd season's clinical finishing.

He got the contract, then Sanchez happened, Martial was dropped, injuries hit our squad,our goals dried up in the 2nd half of his second season, though we came 2nd. And now, here we are in his 3rd season, devoid of both style and goal scoring ability. And our defense has regressed.

For all those who claim there was some progress just because we finished 2nd, a closer look at his career graph with us tells us otherwise.

No i think he conned us because he wasn't doing anything spectacular arround the time he got the extension, to deserve the extension. He was just about meeting (conservative) expectations. The manager who was actually being spectacular during that time got the extension in the third week of May (Guardiola).

Just flicking through and this made me

Bet there's more too.

 

[Robbo's Shoulder]

Never mind the compo, he just has to go. Third season in and still no clear direction, no playing style and no building for the future, just tumescent rubbish game after game.
I actually hope the oppo score early these days as it's the only way to get some kind of reaction from the players.

 

[JPRouve]

Here ya go chicken https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mourinho-set-to-sign-contract-extension-done.435661/.

I have one post in there and I said “fantastic”. I feel sick

At least I’m not one of the many in here that just want to be right on the internet and I could adjust my opinion based on current circumstances rather than blind arrogance.

I was optimistic without knowing why, I still don't know.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I was optimistic without knowing why, I still don't know.

Same as myself. I was already pretty fed up of the football but it was more blind optimism than anything else.

 

[Skills]

feck me, people were tagging me in that thread to 'laugh' at me.

It's funny how the same people are now complaining about how nasty/uncivilised this place has become. It was fair game back then for some reason.

 

[Marcus]

Jose has robbed me of one of the joys in my life. Watching and cheering on United. Go just go. I was one of his strongest supporters. The camel's back has been broken.

 

[Robbie Boy]

It's funny how the same people are now complaining about how nasty/uncivilised this place has become. It was fair game back then for some reason.

So true. The victim mentality and snowflakiness of the pro-Jose brigade is not only hilarious, it’s so hypocritical it’s untrue.

 

[MDFC Manager]

Looks like Holt was right in the end.

That thread shows that accusing Caf members of agendas is pure disingenuous. The last 10 months have been tumescent shit.

I said it too

Oh well, the inevitable sacking will be an expensive one.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Don't care anymore. We are Arsenal, hardly anything special about the club nowadays.

 

[NoLogo]

It's quite an accomplishment to have my first feeling after a game against CP be "Wheew, we got away with a draw." Seriously but the way the game went I was glad we didn't lose it.

 

[Robbie Boy]

It's quite an accomplishment to have my first feeling after a game against CP be "Wheew, we got away with a draw." Seriously but the way the game went I was glad we didn't lose it.

They probably left disappointed with only a point tbf.

 

[E-mal]

I think city have shown much more ambition, and more importantly they have directed their spending properly through a director of football for years now. The squad pep inherits was miles ahead of ours, let alone it's development since then.

We bought in Fred and Dalot this summer. That doesn't strike me as the owners telling Jose to close a 20 point gap.

The difference in ambition is them getting pep and we getting the dinosaur

 

[Robbie Boy]

But guys, does no one remember that half hour against Spurs ffs.

 

[MDFC Manager]

But guys, does no one remember that half hour against Spurs ffs.

I genuinely don't remember.

 

[Wumminator]

It's funny how the same people are now complaining about how nasty/uncivilised this place has become. It was fair game back then for some reason.

Oh yeah, changing my name and calling me a WUM for years because I thought Mourinho was not suited to our club and would lead to disaster in the third year was fair game.

 

[alsabi]

A decision was made in the summer of 2016 that binds us to this day even as the negative consequences appear ever clearer and the future ever bleaker. Also, the board appointing Mourinho looks like a mistake in retrospect.

 

[Rash Decision]

But guys, does no one remember that half hour against Spurs ffs.

You're living in the past. It's all about that 2nd half at Stamford Bridge where we dominated Chelsea.

 

[Robbie Boy]

But guys, does no one remember that first hd hour against Spurs

I genuinely don't remember.

Apparently we were vintage Barca / Brazil rolled into one.

 

[Robbie Boy]

You're living in the past. It's all about that 2nd half at Stamford Bridge where we dominated Chelsea.

At jeez yeah silly me.

 

[BluesJr]

The difference in ambition is them getting pep and we getting the dinosaur

Nah they have done a lot of great work since their owners came in in the market and throughout the club. We sold Ronaldo and replaced him with Valencia. That’s where it started to go to shit. Fergie held it together because he’s the greatest manager ever but it was always going to go like this unless we started operating like a powerhouse, which we don’t.

What’s worse is the fans including a lot on this forum seem to have a bizarre aversion to demanding success and nothing but the best. It’s not being spoiled, it’s about having standards.

 

[Judas]

Even the likes of us who wanted Jose, like me, knew we were hoping for him to change the habit of a lifetime. I just honestly thought he would? I thought the job was important enough to him that he would. I was an idiot. But even the minimum I expected from him, he's failed to deliver, and that's what confuses me the most. We're not even a Jose team. We're nothing.

 

[GhastlyHun]

Maybe as one off but then players need replacing. I'm not sure our financial picture suggests we can write off £25m+ and the Glazers won't be bothered about it.

Talk about value for money.

 

[Sassy Colin]

It doesn't soothe a lack of trophies. But it makes the experience a whole lot more entertaining/interesting. If you had prior knowledge of us not winning the league for the next ten years would you stop watching? Personally, for me the quality and entertainment of the football absolutely matters. I watch football, after all, due to my emotional investment and the entertainment factor as well. Otherwise I'd just watch the live score update and be done with it.

I have never understood the argument that a good brand of football and winning trophies are mutually exclusive.

In general, a good brand of football = winning trophies.

 

[VorZakone]

I don't get Mourinho. Surely after Real 12/13 and Chelsea 15/16, you'd think that he would have adapted his player management skillset. It's like he refuses to adapt or learn. He should have built on last season and keep the squad motivated and determined. Instead, he already started moaning in preseason.

 

[Judas]

I have never understood the argument that a good brand of football and winning trophies are mutually exclusive.

In general, a good brand of football = winning trophies.

Yep. If you play good football, generally you'll win trophies and do well. Hence why it's good football.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Talk about value for money.

What is this supposed to represent?

 

[SteveJ]

I don't get Mourinho. Surely after Real 12/13 and Chelsea 15/16, you'd think that he would have adapted his player management skillset. It's like he refuses to adapt or learn. He should have built on last season and keep the squad motivated and determined. Instead, he already started moaning in preseason.

Looking back even to his first United days it appears that his entire United tenure is about, firstly and most importantly, proving his critics wrong. The actual football stuff is secondary to him, IMO.

 

[GhastlyHun]

What is this supposed to represent?

Wage bills from that Swiss Ramble twitter thread


Though the time frame is not the same for all clubs; City and United should be up to date though.

 

[JPRouve]

Even the likes of us who wanted Jose, like me, knew we were hoping for him to change the habit of a lifetime. I just honestly thought he would? I thought the job was important enough to him that he would. I was an idiot. But even the minimum I expected from him, he's failed to deliver, and that's what confuses me the most. We're not even a Jose team. We're nothing.

You weren't an idiot, I wasn't optimistic about Mourinho but the arguments were understandable. Personally, I wanted a young manager or someone like Favre because the club is in a situation where it needs someone that wants to build something, trace his own path or someone that has a genuine passion for the basics of football like Favre or Bielsa. I still believe that Van Gaal had the correct profile, he just wasn't the correct man due to some of his shortcomings.
The issue with Mourinho is that his legacy his established, he is and will most likely look in the rear-view mirror for the rest of his career and some of his comments confirms it. We can't blame him but we shouldn't accept it because it doesn't benefit the club, we need someone that sees United has the actual pinnacle of his career, as the opportunity of a life time.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I don't get Mourinho. Surely after Real 12/13 and Chelsea 15/16, you'd think that he would have adapted his player management skillset. It's like he refuses to adapt or learn. He should have built on last season and keep the squad motivated and determined. Instead, he already started moaning in preseason.

He's only got himself to blame too. Sure he wanted a defender this summer and it's annoying he didn't get it. He practically wrote the season off before it even started with those comments.

He's just go too much of an ego these days, he was at his best when he was humble but confident. He was the special one as he believed in himself, he doesn't anymore, all he believes in is buying the best players and hoping the win a match by themselves. Maybe Ronaldo has ruined him.

 

[MDFC Manager]

Wage bills from that Swiss Ramble twitter thread


Though it's not entirely clear whether those numbers are for the same time frame for all clubs.

This is even before considering likely big wage rises for De Gea and Martial.

 

[kouroux]

Because that's how they operate. They did it with Moyes, they did it with LVG. "Top 4 or sack" is their motto.

It's a terrible way to operate IMHO.

Has to be the payoff to him which in itself makes feckall sense given the financial implications of missing out on the CL or even if you ignore that, how much we fecking make as a club and how key having the right manager is to everything.

I don't understand it either, we're supposed to be so rich so can't the club cough up the money and part ways with Mourinho. If we consider the amounts of players we could also sell, we'd have more than enough money for Mourinho too. It's gonna be a long season but we can already see how everything is gonna unfold

 

[James Peril]

Top four is pretty much gone after 1/3 of the season played, we have kept two clean sheets.. and our start to the season has been very kind. It’s bad, our board are facing decisions they are not equipped to make.

 

[Sassy Colin]

You weren't an idiot, I wasn't optimistic about Mourinho but the arguments were understandable. Personally, I wanted a young manager or someone like Favre because the club is in a situation where it needs someone that wants to build something, trace his own path or someone that has a genuine passion for the basics of football like Favre or Bielsa. I still believe that Van Gaal had the correct profile, he just wasn't the correct man due to some of his shortcomings.
The issue with Mourinho is that his legacy his established, he is and will most likely look in the rear-view mirror for the rest of his career and some of his comments confirms it. We can't blame him but we shouldn't accept it because it doesn't benefit the club, we need someone that sees United has the actual pinnacle of his career, as the opportunity of a life time.[/QUOTE]

You're describing Moyes there.

You may want to clarify your opinion.

 

[Nate Dogg]

Glad more posters are seeing it. I gave up after Sevilla and that press conference afterwards. That summarised Jose today, football and personality wise. Should have been sacked immediately, but got a new contract later. There must be club members who believe the bollocks this guy is serving up. We expected the meltdown, but without the promised heights, complete failure it is. And now this will slowly drag on and the damage could be enormous come the end of the season if we lose our few top players. He could set us back more than the previous 2 managers and leave us worse off than he took over. Someone sack him ffs

Until we beat a a shitty team like Southampton and then he is back to being best since slice bread.

United fans are turning into lfc fans....delusional, fickle!

 

[Ekeke]

Which of the signings we've made since Mourinho was signed up have been great signings that clearly improved the team?

I've got nothing against replacing Woodward at the same time. But I think he's had more than his fair share of chances and nothing suggests he's going to make this group of players play at their best with good football and putting in a good effort to win the league. I think under Mourinho, regardless of how much money we spend we'll be largely the same - just a bit better at it. We'll be bad to watch, have negative tactics worrying about the opponents all the time instead of getting the best out of our own players and at best we'll have a little bit of success based on nicking goals when we havent been playing well. I think our ambitions should be higher than that especially when its going to take significant money and resources just to achieve that much.

Give someone else a try. It can get worse than this Mourinho era but not much and even if another manager came in and we were in the same position in the league, I guarantee it'd be a more positive and enjoyable experience being a United supporter because we may not get much better results, but it wouldn't feel like a chore to watch us play football each week and try to win those points.