The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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vidic blood & sand said:
Is it realistic that we could bring Pochettino in now do you think?

We'd have to pay Mourinho loads, and compensate spurs loads.
Would Poch want to come I wonder?
Spurs' season would be massively disrupted.

Even with things looking up at spurs with a decent team and new stadium and all, surely you don't turn down Manchester United?
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Honestly I think that's mission impossible the likes of which even the great Tom Cruise would back down from.

In all seriousness I think even in the summer getting Poch would be nigh impossible, let alone now.
 
I never liked Jose as a Utd manager even when people mentioned his names after SAF’s retirement. But blame him as much as you want but our current squad’s mentality and consistency is nowhere good enough even when compared to the teams we had prior to SAF. Just look at Pogba - and I really love the guy - but where what did he do in Palace game? We don’t have a leader on our team.
 
Jazz said:
Very unrealistic mate.
We need a competent interim manager whilst we get our shit together behind the scenes.
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Not sure if an interim would work well. If it was made clear that an appointment was till the end of the season, the players might not give a shit.
Hiddink didn't exactly pull up trees when Mourinho was outted at Chelsea.
 
Fracture90 said:
Honestly I think that's mission impossible the likes of which even the great Tom Cruise would back down from.

In all seriousness I think even in the summer getting Poch would be nigh impossible, let alone now.
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When you say impossible, you mean he wouldn't want to leave them for us?
 
Mockney said:
I’m just as culpable as any for thinking Jose was the closest thing to Fergie back in the day, and he definitely was as one point... but having lived through his management for 2.5 years now, I’m happy to fall on my sword and admit how wrong I was.

That conviction was based on his peak years, when he was undoubtedly brilliant and completely in-tune with the football of the time... but as he’s aged, his similarities with Fergie have withered with every season...

SAF was never a great tactician, but he was a brilliant and adaptive man manager. Who knew when to pull the hairdryer out for a Beckham or Keane, but also when to put his arm around a Cantona or Cole...and when the game changed (as it did at least thrice in his tenure) he knew how to roll with it, and if he didn’t know how, he knew to at least hire more modern thinking coaches and assistants to felicitate him. He may have seemed like a stubborn old git.. but his greatest strength was his ability to manage the hard drinking boot boys like Robson, the newly famous spice boys like Beckham and the modern day millionaire narcissists like Ronaldo, and get the best out of all of them.

Jose has no idea how to do even half of that. He claims to be a student of Fergie, but he can’t adapt his style of play or his treatment of players beyond his regimented idea of his late 00s peak ... He’s almost the 180 opposite of the great man when it comes to the one thing that actually made that man great!

Ferguson famously sold three of his most famous and reliable players after finishing 2nd, and entrusted the following season to a bunch of untested academy sprogs... Even during some of our lacklustre, defensive Euro always, it was his faith in the likes of OShea and Fletcher that drew him the most slack.

The very notion that Jose - I’ll admonish my young players in public and play Fellaini, Lukaku & Matic in every big game - Mourinho, is in any way following his ethos, because “something something old-school grrrr” is an abhorrent disgrace on his name. It’s a fecking travesty of a comparison. It’s tantamount to spitting on his statue! He would never have surrendered to Juve (or anybody) without making a single sub because he couldn’t rely on our bench...he would’ve thrown on a 14 year old full back before giving in. His entire career was based on the principle of calculated risk. Even discounting the fledglings, we won yet another title in his latter years because he would rather sling on an unknown Italian nobody - into a team with Ronaldo & Rooney, that’d only just won the CL! - than accept drawing at home with Aston fecking Villa!

Whatever traits Jose Mourinho may have once shared - or even still may do in some small, ingnominous way - with Sir Alex... he’s betrayed the one that really matters. And then some.

I’m so sorry that I ever thought this would work. I prostrate myself on the alter of the anti-Jose’s. I’m sooo fecking done.
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One love.
 
Janson said:
This. People are in denial if they think there is a simple fix, like just getting a new manager. It's better to face reality now rather than be too disappointed later.
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I don't think there is a soul that believes all our problem disappear once we sack Jose.
The entire argument is that this team is capable of much more than it's showing. For whatever reason, all our best players are in one end of the pitch. Yet we play in a way that does them no favours.
I simply refuse to believe this is the best we can get out of Pogba, Martial, Sanchez, Fred, Rashford.
I simply can't accept that.
 
Adisa said:
I don't think there is a soul that believes all our problem disappear once we sack Jose.
The entire argument is that this team is capable of much more than it's showing. For whatever reason, all our best players are in one end of the pitch. Yet we play in a way that does them no favours.
I simply refuse to believe this is the best we can get out of Pogba, Martial, Sanchez, Fred, Rashford.
I simply can't accept that.
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Even Fergie would find it hard getting the max out of Martial tbh
 
Darkhorsez said:
I never liked Jose as a Utd manager even when people mentioned his names after SAF’s retirement. But blame him as much as you want but our current squad’s mentality and consistency is nowhere good enough even when compared to the teams we had prior to SAF. Just look at Pogba - and I really love the guy - but where what did he do in Palace game? We don’t have a leader on our team.
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That's the main purpose of his job, that's why managers exist whether you are talking about football or the construction industry.
 
Red_Ramirez said:
Let's not kid ourselves we want to see United win the league.

Pretty football means feck all
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Speak for yourself. The Utd fans want to be entertained again and have to be excited about.

We’ve endured 4.5 years of Moyes, Van Gaal and now Mourinho football. The fans deserve better.
 
I think once its clear Jose didn't get his players, he was not bother at all.
Its like Jose also waiting for his own sacking and get hefty pay day.
 
Treble said:
It was clear that this team was going nowhere. And that was the case even at the start of last season when the team was winning.

The signs were there:

1. poor work rate/movement on and off the ball - it's naive to explain it with players' laziness/attitude

2. slow build-up play, no clear patterns in attack - entirely on the manager

3. closely related to 1. and 2. - signing/playing too many very tall players, especially in midfield - the top 5 teams in the league don't have a single giant in midfield, United have 4 (!) - Matic, Pogba, Fellaini, McTominay. Having watched football for decades now, I can't remember a team with 4 midfielders over 190 cm tall. Insane.

On the basis of 3. alone one could have predicted already at the start of last season that this team was going nowehere.

Going by xG stats, 2nd place last season was a fluke. In terms of created and conceded chances, the team should have finished 6th - behind Arsenal (!). We're getting now what we were deserving last season.
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Absolutely correct.

One person to thank and that is De Gea. The amount of saves De Gea made last season to keep us winning games was crazy.

Mourinho should have been worshipping him.
 
Red_Ramirez said:
Let's not kid ourselves we want to see United win the league.

Pretty football means feck all
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Get lost seriously. No team is entitled to win the league (ever). And entertaining != pretty by the way.

We just know that our club has vast resources that should (at this time) result in two things: (1) an entertaining style of play and (2) finishing in the top 3/4 every season. Nobody is demanding a title win - certainly not until we go close.
 
Viral United said:
I think once its clear Jose didn't get his players, he was not bother at all.
Its like Jose also waiting for his own sacking and get hefty pay day.
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hence giving him 100+ million in about a month is akin to simply lighting it on fire. If he gets that money it WILL be wasted on 2x 55-60 million players. They will likely get 3 games and then benched because they will fall out with the manager.
 
Viral United said:
I think once its clear Jose didn't get his players, he was not bother at all.
Its like Jose also waiting for his own sacking and get hefty pay day.
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It's probably not what you meant but the first sentence is daft. Players that are under contract with other clubs aren't Mourinho's, while the players that are under contract with United are his players. If a manager actually had the mentality that you described then he should be sacked and booted out of Football.
 
kouroux said:
The thing is, if everyone knows he's got to go it means 4th won't be obtainable anyway so why even wait ?
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Has to be the payoff to him which in itself makes feckall sense given the financial implications of missing out on the CL or even if you ignore that, how much we fecking make as a club and how key having the right manager is to everything.
 
WPMUFC said:
hence giving him 100+ million in about a month is akin to simply lighting it on fire. If he gets that money it WILL be wasted on 2x 55-60 million players. They will likely get 3 games and then benched because they will fall out with the manager.
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Its stupidity of highest order to give him money now.
but what you can expect from our board and Ed?
 
Red_Ramirez said:
Let's not kid ourselves we want to see United win the league.

Pretty football means feck all
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But it's not an "either or" choice. It's eminently possible to play exciting, attacking football and win the league. The two aren't mutually exclusive as though "you can either have exciting football or win the league but you can't have both".
 
Well he’s not going before the next kick off, so if he’s blaming the players for not playing with enough heart, simples, change as many of the lazy/shit feckers from that Palace starting 11 as possible & let’s see what happens.
 
I love all this ‘snowflake’ talk when the ultimate snowflakes are José himself and his followers on here.
 
JPRouve said:
It's probably not what you meant but the first sentence is daft. Players that are under contract with other clubs aren't Mourinho's, while the players that are under contract with United are his players. If a manager actually had the mentality that you described then he should be sacked and booted out of Football.
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I think I didn't word it correctly what I means is once he didn't get player what he ask for in transfer market this season.
For bold part I think he has this mentality, and will not shock if more manager have that kind of mentality.
 
JPRouve said:
That's the main purpose of his job, that's why managers exist whether you are talking about football or the construction industry.
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Thanks for pointing out the obvious. But to use your construction industry example, if the material used is not as good as advertised, the house comes tumbling down. The point I was trying to make is that putting everything that is currently wrong at the club down to Jose is an over simplification.
 
Rednotdead said:
But it's not an "either or" choice. It's eminently possible to play exciting, attacking football and win the league. The two aren't mutually exclusive as though "you can either have exciting football or win the league but you can't have both".
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I agree, but «good football» doesn’t soothe a lack of trophies. Good football without the medals is worth nothing to me.
 
Strachans Cigar said:
Well he’s not going before the next kick off, so if he’s blaming the players for not playing with enough heart, simples, change as many of the lazy/shit feckers from that Palace starting 11 as possible & let’s see what happens.
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He wan't do that,
I think (if I am not wrong) that what also happen in Chelsea last season, he keep blaming players but wont replace any one.
 
Kill 'em all said:
It's scary, the crazy amount of investment our club has made in players since Sir Alex left and how average our squad looks compared to our rivals. We have grossly overspent on many players when our rivals got better players for less money, transfer window after transfer window.

This is not all about Mourinho, we've failed to get the right players for a very long time.
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Because our scouting is as basic as it comes. Our approach to signing players is an absolute shit show.
 
Mockney said:
I’m just as culpable as any for thinking Jose was the closest thing to Fergie back in the day, and he definitely was as one point... but having lived through his management for 2.5 years now, I’m happy to fall on my sword and admit how wrong I was.

That conviction was based on his peak years, when he was undoubtedly brilliant and completely in-tune with the football of the time... but as he’s aged, his similarities with Fergie have withered with every season...

SAF was never a great tactician, but he was a brilliant and adaptive man manager. Who knew when to pull the hairdryer out for a Beckham or Keane, but also when to put his arm around a Cantona or Cole...and when the game changed (as it did at least thrice in his tenure) he knew how to roll with it, and if he didn’t know how, he knew to at least hire more modern thinking coaches and assistants to felicitate him. He may have seemed like a stubborn old git.. but his greatest strength was his ability to manage the hard drinking boot boys like Robson, the newly famous spice boys like Beckham and the modern day millionaire narcissists like Ronaldo, and get the best out of all of them.

Jose has no idea how to do even half of that. He claims to be a student of Fergie, but he can’t adapt his style of play or his treatment of players beyond his regimented idea of his late 00s peak ... He’s almost the 180 opposite of the great man when it comes to the one thing that actually made that man great!

Ferguson famously sold three of his most famous and reliable players after finishing 2nd, and entrusted the following season to a bunch of untested academy sprogs... Even during some of our lacklustre, defensive Euro always, it was his faith in the likes of OShea and Fletcher that drew him the most slack.

The very notion that Jose - I’ll admonish my young players in public and play Fellaini, Lukaku & Matic in every big game - Mourinho, is in any way following his ethos, because “something something old-school grrrr” is an abhorrent disgrace on his name. It’s a fecking travesty of a comparison. It’s tantamount to spitting on his statue! He would never have surrendered to Juve (or anybody) without making a single sub because he couldn’t rely on our bench...he would’ve thrown on a 14 year old full back before giving in. His entire career was based on the principle of calculated risk. Even discounting the fledglings, we won yet another title in his latter years because he would rather sling on an unknown Italian nobody - into a team with Ronaldo & Rooney, that’d only just won the CL! - than accept drawing at home with Aston fecking Villa!

Whatever traits Jose Mourinho may have once shared - or even still may do in some small, ingnominous way - with Sir Alex... he’s betrayed the one that really matters. And then some.

I’m so sorry that I ever thought this would work. I prostrate myself on the alter of the anti-Jose’s. I’m sooo fecking done.
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Can't disagree with any of that, was in the same place
 
Red_Ramirez said:
Mourinho has inherited a mess. Some real snowflakes and a squad with a weak mentality. He's trying to mend that

But also Mourinho hasn't bought well. Lukaka, Pogba, Mikitaryn, Bailly, Lindelof are talented but are a bunch of soft cnuts. really
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So he inherited a squad that needed fixing and failed to do so. Clearly he shouldn't be Manchester United manager, then.
 
Darkhorsez said:
Thanks for pointing out the obvious. But to use your construction industry example, if the material used is not as good as advertised, the house comes tumbling down. The point I was trying to make is that putting everything that is currently wrong at the club down to Jose is an over simplification.
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And you are not going to find a lot of people putting everything on Mourinho but he is the one choosing the material and he is also the one unable to make good use of said material. Which is why the first logical step is to change him because he is supposed to be a crucial cog in the entire operation.
Most fans agree with the idea that the board and Woodward should have tweaked the front office and brought someone with a strong technical expertise but it's easy to understand that people that have seen the club sustain 25 years of success with an organization that relied on an omnipotent manager would be wary to move on from it.

Woodward has its faults but he is good when it comes to the commercial and financial aspects of managements, he simply needs to delegate a part of his and the manager's roles to a specialist. As long as the board doesn't do that we will be justified to blame them. Regarding Mourinho as long as he fails to improve players individually, improve the team collectively, integrates new players effectively and obtain results that match the expectations, he will be a failure and will deserve to be sacked.

We always need to remember that he took the job of manager, not head coach. It's because of his failure at the former that we(fans) want to turn him into the latter.
 
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