The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

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    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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If we're going to spend time mid-table, we can do it when we're rebuilding - which is massively needed. We're currently not rebuilding, we're stagnating with a very average squad with too much dead weight and a narcissistic manager who hates everyone and everything.
He's toxic and should be long gone. Can't believe how many people still sing his name in complete 'top red' syndrome.
Get him gone for god sake, the man is a busted flush.
 
One simple Q, If Jose was doing the same at Real, Barca, Munich or Juve, would he still be in his job. I bet he would have got the boot in September.
 
buckooo1978 said:
is it fair to say Jose is still Manchester United manager for economic reasons rather than footballing ones....

the board are waiting to our failure is confirmed so that clause kicks in where we can sack on the cheap?

do they think there's any prospect he can turn this around?
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The severance pay must be huge if we sack him now.

In the board's mind, 5-6 months isn't a long time and signing a new manager or changing the structure could take time. I think the board have realized they need help so are sounding people who can help appoint a new manager and look at how the club signings and scouting/youth training is run.

For the fans sake and image I wish we could remove the Jose cloud. For every fightback there's a soul destroying run of games to follow.
 
kafta said:
I think city have shown much more ambition, and more importantly they have directed their spending properly through a director of football for years now. The squad pep inherits was miles ahead of ours, let alone it's development since then.

We bought in Fred and Dalot this summer. That doesn't strike me as the owners telling Jose to close a 20 point gap.
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I think the difference between Pep and Mourinho is that Pep buys decent players and makes them better. And breathes new life into older established players.
Mourinho never makes anyone better. Everyone deteriorates under him. He is useless at man management.

But he's had a lot of financial backing from the club. Should be in the top 4 at least.
 
In Rainbows said:
Some people don't understand how Woodward has failed. They think that he shares blame for the short term on the pitch performances and thus any manager under him is doomed to not get the best out of the players.

Woodward is to blame for this mess, but not the performances. Here are his failings that led to this mess.
1. He's very slow to cut off a manager that clearly isn't working.
2. He has given the manager too much power
3. He has no consistent vision for what he wants United to be except successful.
4. Because a combination of #2 and #3, his managerial appointments have all been stark contrasts from one another apart from the fact that they're conservative. This has led to players the next manager has no use for.

If he doesn't come up with a direction the entire club can rally around (this includes supporters), then he will repeat these failures again. This extends to managerial appointments, inconsistent player turnover, etc... Because of this, it is more likely the next manager does fail.

But there a difference between what I just said and what those people who say there is no quick fix. The manager is directly responsible for the on pitch performance because he's the one who gets to invest in certain players, he's the one who is responsible for motivating players, he is the one for how the team sets up, and he's the one who is responsible for how the team reacts to what's going on the pitch. The manager is directly responsible for the performances unless Woodward doesn't back the manager from the get go or he creates so much drama that he's simply a distraction for everyone at the club and the club becomes an unprofessional work environment. In conclusion, Woodward being a failure means it's more likely that the next manager isn't the right hire, not that the next manager is automatically doomed to fail.

For all we know, Woodward learns from his mistake or he just flukes the correct managerial appointment and this next manager is what everyone wants out of a manager. Next 2 managerial appointments will be very telling whether or not he has learned from the last several years.
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This is why it’s important we tell Woodward what we want instead of clapping unpragmatic managers. He has been rubbish at appointing managers; but what he needs to realise it what’s acceptable and what’s not. I like that he towed the line with Mourinho buying in more dross and believing in the players unlike the manager. But like many have said you have to go all the way, not hiding be hinding silly statements like back or sack. I mean telling people we are United we don’t invest in players like Jerome Boateng at 31 as that’s not our philosophy. If you don’t like it get lost. Fair enough he gave Mourinho and opportunity to show his worth. Now it’s time to pull the plug.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
I think the difference between Pep and Mourinho is that Pep buys decent players and makes them better. And breathes new life into older established players.
Mourinho never makes anyone better. Everyone deteriorates under him. He is useless at man management.

But he's had a lot of financial backing from the club. Should be in the top 4 at least.
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that was my point. Should be competing for second at least.
 
Giggsyking said:
One simple Q, If Jose was doing the same at Real, Barca, Munich or Juve, would he still be in his job. I bet he would have got the boot in September.
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Yup. But we’re not at their level currently.

We can’t demand a manager come in and turn it around with this squad immediately.
 
Up to now I have been a firm supporter of Jose and have argued against getting rid of him for a number of reasons.

I based this support primarily on last seasons outcome, seeing finishing 2nd as real progress despite the uninspiring style of play.

However, there comes a time when you have to admit that this just isn't working out.
And now I have come to that conclusion.

We are simply not good enough to compete with our rivals and I struggle to see how doing the same thing is going to resolve this.

I have no idea who is the right person to transform United but I would hope that those responsible have by now identified that person.

I am sorry Jose but it is now time for a change.
It is simply not acceptable for Manchester United to be a mid table side.
 
One option is just removing him from the first team manager duty altogether, keep him on club's payroll but do not sack him.

And if it's true that he's been actively trying to get himself fired in order to get that hefty severance check, we should appoint another manager and put Mourinho in charge of the U-23's.
 
groovyalbert said:
Yup. But we’re not at their level currently.

We can’t demand a manager come in and turn it around with this squad immediately.
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No we can't. The new Manager should be afforded at least 4 windows like LVG had. Jose has had 5 now too.

Attack minded coach who brings through young players and stick with him.
 
groovyalbert said:
Yup. But we’re not at their level currently.

We can’t demand a manager come in and turn it around with this squad immediately.
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5 months into his third season is extremely far from "immediately".
 
The sad thing about all this is that, once again, this was all predictable a long time ago. Many of us (yeah, the moaners) seen the direction we were heading even when we were in 2nd last season. If only many of our fans, as well as the CEO, were able to look past the short-term and instead look at the bigger picture, we may be able to prevent these slow lingering managerial deaths that we keep having to endure.

Mourinho is a dead man walking at United. He has no long-term future. He's not going to turn things around and win the league nor the CL. This was blindingly obvious long before this season began, but instead we continue down the same tired old route of waiting until everything collapses and we find ourselves out of Europe's elite competition.

We're run by morons, and I'm sorry to say but those who go to OT and applaud this rubbish are also morons. If you want the best for United then stop judging and reacting based on the last result and look at the long-term instead. Maybe if we were to do that we'd be able to get some sort of coherent plan in place and function as an elite club, instead of a bunch of amateurs that keep making the same mistakes.
 
Sb_16 said:
I know its not my place to say but someone has to ask. Why don't you and the others at the matches boo the pretentious cnut? Why not use your right to be at the stadium and voice your discontent, instead of leaving and drowning in booze? When is enough enough?
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Not sure how much of the match going culture you know about, but it's always been a United fan rule that you never boo your own. I've seen people get punched in he face in the ground for booing. I even once saw a guy get a large coke poured over his head for booing.
 
ery good video up by Adam McKola after the game. I fully recommend all to watch it because he says what we all think. Shocking. Even the two grannies bless them can see it, until they mentioned bringing Giggsy in
 
Does anyone actually think the board will sack him?
a) they have no replacement that is 'guaranteed' to improve the squad this season (meaning guarantee a CL spot)
b) it will cost them actual money!
 
Mourinho has inherited a mess. Some real snowflakes and a squad with a weak mentality. He's trying to mend that

But also Mourinho hasn't bought well. Lukaka, Pogba, Mikitaryn, Bailly, Lindelof are talented but are a bunch of soft cnuts. really
 
red4ever 79 said:
ery good video up by Adam McKola after the game. I fully recommend all to watch it because he says what we all think. Shocking. Even the two grannies bless them can see it, until they mentioned bringing Giggsy in
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McKola and those FullTime devils are JCL snowflake twats each of them have agendas. Howson is the worst. Wasnt he the one who also tried to con foreign Reds as well? Fat fecking prick
 
Red_Ramirez said:
McKola and those FullTime devils are JCL snowflake twats each of them have agendas. Howson is the worst. Wasnt he the one who also tried to con foreign Reds as well? Fat fecking prick
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Did I mention Howson? I said there was a good video up by Adam Mckola who pretty much sums up the views and mood.
 
CA1 said:
Do you question our players at any point?

Because anybody watching that game today who has no ill feeling towards the players is just odd.
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I suppose you can spin that the other way around and say, "because anybody watching that game today (and many others under Mourinho) who has no ill feeling towards the manager is just odd.

Right?

Foxtrot said:
Jose Mourinho is still the best manager in the world for me and he must dedicate his life to our club. Anyone who want him out should take a long hard look at themselves.
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If you're not on a windup, than this is rather generic way of positioning yourself to appear more knowledgeable in footballing sense than anyone who disagrees with your opinion.
 
He has to go. I can take losing to City, Liverpool and Juventus because let’s be honest, they’re just better than us at the minute. It’s the home draws against Wolves, Palace...the away defeats to Brighton, WestHam that are too much for me to take...not to mention all the while, regardless off opposition playing terrible football
 
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Red_Ramirez said:
Mourinho has inherited a mess. Some real snowflakes and a squad with a weak mentality. He's trying to mend that

But also Mourinho hasn't bought well. Lukaka, Pogba, Mikitaryn, Bailly, Lindelof are talented but are a bunch of soft cnuts. really
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So he inherited a mess and made it messier?

Not the man for the job.
 
Red_Ramirez said:
Mourinho has inherited a mess. Some real snowflakes and a squad with a weak mentality. He's trying to mend that

But also Mourinho hasn't bought well. Lukaka, Pogba, Mikitaryn, Bailly, Lindelof are talented but are a bunch of soft cnuts. really
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We need a manager who can break the cycle of replacing snowflakes with snowflakes.
 
iKeano said:
If we're going to spend time mid-table, we can do it when we're rebuilding - which is massively needed. We're currently not rebuilding, we're stagnating with a very average squad with too much dead weight and a narcissistic manager who hates everyone and everything.
He's toxic and should be long gone. Can't believe how many people still sing his name in complete 'top red' syndrome.
Get him gone for god sake, the man is a busted flush.
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Fully agree with your post, but we are declining not stagnating.

I've seen an argument from other posters that we won't get anyone better midseason, so we may as well keep Jose. That is like saying that we shouldn't bother putting out the fire on a burning house as the builders won't be available until July to rebuild it
 
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Red_Ramirez said:
Mourinho has inherited a mess. Some real snowflakes and a squad with a weak mentality. He's trying to mend that

But also Mourinho hasn't bought well. Lukaka, Pogba, Mikitaryn, Bailly, Lindelof are talented but are a bunch of soft cnuts. really
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He's done nothing to mend the mess he inherited. All he's done is continue where the last man left off and spent fortunes on dross (with the exception of Pogba) that we'll be forced to sell on at a loss.
 
What is taking so long? This is like a nightmare that i cant wake up from.

Do we have to suffer through this all season? Other clubs replace their manager when there is no progress anymore whilst we have to put up with this toxic situation for over a year. It's an utter disgrace.

He calls himself the special one? More like the sophist one.

When was the last time we put in a real performance for 90 mins? Only one i can remember is Chelsea 2-0 at home 2 seasons ago! It's absolutely insane.

Jose has killed all enjoyment of Football for me. I thought Moyes & LVG were bad but I'd kill for LVG right now. At least he believed in the youth and never slagged them off every chance he got.

Please wake me up when this is over.
 
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Bola said:
Fully agree with your post, but we are declining not stagnating.

I've seen this argument from other posters that we won't get anyone better midseason, so we may as well keep him. That is like saying That we shouldn't notes putting out the fire on a burning house as the builders won't be available until July to rebuild it
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Some of our posters, when you try to follow their logic.. I'm speechless when I read stuff like you just talked about.
 
Using the terms snowflakes and soft in the context of football seems particularly stupid.
 
It was clear that this team was going nowhere. And that was the case even at the start of last season when the team was winning.

The signs were there:

1. poor work rate/movement on and off the ball - it's naive to explain it with players' laziness/attitude

2. slow build-up play, no clear patterns in attack - entirely on the manager

3. closely related to 1. and 2. - signing/playing too many very tall players, especially in midfield - the top 5 teams in the league don't have a single giant in midfield, United have 4 (!) - Matic, Pogba, Fellaini, McTominay. Having watched football for decades now, I can't remember a team with 4 midfielders over 190 cm tall. Insane.

On the basis of 3. alone one could have predicted already at the start of last season that this team was going nowehere.

Going by xG stats, 2nd place last season was a fluke. In terms of created and conceded chances, the team should have finished 6th - behind Arsenal (!). We're getting now what we were deserving last season.
 
Is it realistic that we could bring Pochettino in now do you think?

We'd have to pay Mourinho loads, and compensate spurs loads.
Would Poch want to come I wonder?
Spurs' season would be massively disrupted.

Even with things looking up at spurs with a decent team and new stadium and all, surely you don't turn down Manchester United?
 
The idea that Jose has 100+ million for Jan scares the living shit out of me. If he's going to go full Chelsea 2.0 over the Xmas period, he could easily spend that on absolute dross and then bench the players. Don't give him a cent in Jan.

I'll defend Jose for not getting the backing in the original window because had not lost a single point at that stage. He has a team to at least challenge top 4 and he can't even beat palace. Don't give him a cent or we will be looking to offload more wasted space when the new manager takes over.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
Is it realistic that we could bring Pochettino in now do you think?

We'd have to pay Mourinho loads, and compensate spurs loads.
Would Poch want to come I wonder?
Spurs' season would be massively disrupted.

Even with things looking up at spurs with a decent team and new stadium and all, surely you don't turn down Manchester United?
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Very unrealistic mate.
We need a competent interim manager whilst we get our shit together behind the scenes.
 
red4ever 79 said:
Poll still languishing on only 70%. That is the most surprising thing for me. Guys we have a goal difference of -1. We are as close to the bottom as we are the top. I would be interested to hear off the 30% who are still backing him and why. If this happened to any of the other supposed big clubs eg Bayern, Real, Barca, Juve the manager would have already been fired.
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I think that may be down to Caf having a sizeable minority of opposition fans. Also there's people that have voted "no or needs more time" and then got banned, haven't logged in a while or simply cannot be bothered/forgotten to chang their vote.
 
Can we have a sweepstake sack thread?

I guess it could be if we get knocked out CL by Valencia.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
Is it realistic that we could bring Pochettino in now do you think?

We'd have to pay Mourinho loads, and compensate spurs loads.
Would Poch want to come I wonder?
Spurs' season would be massively disrupted.

Even with things looking up at spurs with a decent team and new stadium and all, surely you don't turn down Manchester United?
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I’d say there isn’t a snowballs chance. The only hope is at the end of the season and even then it might be very unlikely. It’s going to come down to does he think he’s taken Spurs as far as he can, will his hands be tied again with a lack of funds afforded him, will they have moved in to the new stadium and so on.

I’d imagine Real Madrid will be in for him come summer time but I’d wager his prospects at United are probably better than Real.
 
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