The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
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Posh Red said:
Can you provide any examples where Fergie named multiple young players from his own squad, and criticized their attitudes and ability to compete? Genuinely curious as to whether he did this at any point as I can't remember it happening in such a fashion.
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Jose didn't do that though.
He has in the past etc etc but in this specific instance he hasn't.
This isnt the first time he has been mistranslated and had the story spread like wildfire but funnily enough it seems to be our own fans willing to cling onto it and have it as a basis to slam him on.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...eals-dealing-pampered-players-worst-boss.html

God damn old men...
 
The quotes (as in the actual quotes, not a misrepresentation of them) are stupid for a manager to say in an interview. Especially when there have been stories of that manager falling out with players over the last six months.
 
In any case, I don't get this thing about young players. Some of our worst performers have been the older players.
 
Anyone thinking SAF would handle things even remotely similar to Jose must either not have actually been old enough for the Fergie era, or weren't really paying attention.
 
Judas said:
People purposefully ignoring the real quotes, which are standard stuff, to get enraged and go on a stroppy rant about twisted quotes. Classic caf.
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klsv said:
"Repeat the lie enough times and it becomes the truth" - Paul Pogba
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DomesticTadpole said:
They aren't Gary, so you might owe him an apology. Bet that won't be forthcoming. I have criticised him time and time again, but people have jumped the gun here.
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What was misquoted?
 
Random Task said:
We're 402 pages into this thread and we're yet to see a solid case put forward by the Jose In brigade.
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You want reasons? I will give you some:

1, He is an elite level manager. Unless we have a replacement manager of similar or better ability, there is no point in letting Jose go. There is no point in hiring another manager (which will cost time/money), to see worse results.
2, He is a serial winner. He knows how to win. It may not be pretty, but if a club like MUFC should want to have a "winner" at the helm. Some fans want Poch - but he is not a winner. These are facts, by the way.
3, He won 2 trophies in Season1. He got us our highest league placing since SAF left, in Season2. Given the first 2 seasons, he has bought some goodwill and should be given the opportunity to turn the ship around.
4, I would argue that the ship has already turned. Before the MCFC match, we played 4 matches and got 10 points. CFC got VERY lucky to get a draw, so it could've been 12 from 12. I won't hold the MCFC match against Jose as virtually nobody can beat MCFC in the Emptyhad.
5, In terms of our ability to win games from losing positions - we are great at doing this. Under LVG, for example, when we went behind, it was almost impossible for us to make a comeback. With the current team, there is a 'never say die' attitude which I like a lot.
6, In the CL, we are on course to go into the next round, even though we haven't been in great form.
7, We resume tomorrow against CP with a run of fixtures which are winnable. I want to see how many points we get from them, to get a good idea of whether we have actually improved (and gained consistency) or not.

I will reassess my stance on Jose as further results come in, but as of now, I am Jose IN!
 
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Why can't Ed tell him to shut up? The club pays him and should be able to hold him accountable.
If I were in charge, I would yank his arse out of that press conference or interview, and fine him. Sick and tired of him and shocked the club let's him get away with running his mouth like this. How does that help the players or the club's image when he talks like this?
 
MackRobinson said:
What was misquoted?
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This was spread around at first and made people angry:
José Mourinho: "Luke Shaw, he's got big potential but doesn't know how to behave. Big potential, yes, big potential. Shaw, Martial, Lingard, Rashford have big potential but they lack personality and character."
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This is the correct one:
Luke Shaw, who is currently the national team’s left-back, when I arrived here two years ago, he didn’t know how to compete. He had great potential, yes, but he didn’t know how to compete. When we talk about Luke Shaw, Martial, Lingard, Rashford, we’re talking about kids with great potential but still lack a word I can’t say but that you like a lot… they lack a bit of that.”

Our best guess there is that Mourinho, speaking in Spanish, wanted to say ‘cojones’, which means ‘balls’, but the interviewer then puts forward ‘character’, which Mourinho agreed with, also adding ‘lacking personality and that natural aggression’.
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If you dislike what he said, then fair enough, I just hope people get pissed off at the right translation.
 
Random Task said:
Sorry, not sure what you mean. Are you saying that isn't Gary Lineker's Twitter?
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No that a lot of things Jose says will get blown out of all proportion or translated to suit a story when there isn't one. He does say some daft things and can be very self-serving but not sure this deserves the flak.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
@VP89 saying that this is how SAF would have dealt with things :wenger:

SAF would not say a single bad thing about a player until they were set to leave the club; or more likely - after they leave the club.

The amount of average players we had under SAF, the players that had flirted with moving to City and & Liverpool - yet players were not pushed out to the media almost in weekly/monthly basis. Especially the ones who are the ones who are actually producing the results.

Where is the targetting of Lukaku and matic? They have been rubbish.

The guy is literally all about success- other than that there is really nothing that is enjoyable or beneficial to the club. The way we are viewed by the media, the way that we play football, the seperation of fans and so much more.

Woodward needs to stop doing the football work - however; if that is no reason to Jose to continue here. LVG was better for United than Jose. He had a system. He managed to get the best out of some of the younger players & only needed a new manager to adapt the older stagnant tactics by targetting better players than the ones LVG could attract.

Makes me sick.

Jose still uses a formation that doesnt get the best out of anyone. How is that Woodward's fault?
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I didn't say SAF would have dealt with it that way. Relax.

Also I think Jose is targeting the players with a weak morale rather than those off form. Lukaku and Matic may well exhibit less traits which suggest they're spoilt, who knows?
 
Thank God, older, more experienced players have tones of balls, they showing it on the pitch week in week out, specially some certain players.
 
klsv said:
This was spread around at first and made people angry:

This is the correct one:


If you dislike what he said, then fair enough, I just hope people get pissed off at the right translation.
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What you quoted was NOT in the link that was just recently posted. It had the exact same quotes as the SportsWitness article. Please read the article before branding it as containing misquotes. Very misleading.
 
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Can't fault the presser, although I'm sure some will. Swatted the obvious questions away.

Martial fit and will play tomorrow.
 
Random Task said:
You are either missing the point or purposely evading it. How does releasing such a statement to the press benefit himself, the players in question or the club in general?

Jose Mourinho is a highly experienced footballer manager who has dealt with media outlets from all across Europe, he knows full well that literally anything he says to the press will be scrutinized, contradicted and possibly misquoted, so why say anything to them at all?
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He wasnt making a statement, he was answering a question. Theres a world of difference. And I believe he is contractually obligated to do so. Theres also the point to make that we know he gets misquoted all the time, and yet still endless misquotes are used against him here as a matter of fact, and never questioned. But I suppose it comes down to one thing, why should anyone modify themselves because other people are pricks?

But again, I dont see the problem with what he said. Maybe its because I didnt grow up in the baby generation where I need to wrapped in cotton wool. Because thats the very thing hes talking about, in an interview, when asked a direct question. The point hes making a very clear to me, they dont need to be coddled, and when they are it stunts their growth. Not only as a person, but as a professional. Maybe he shouldnt be talking about it, but its not an insult. Its hardly their fault they are babied. If he was having a go at anyone its the ones doing the babying.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
They aren't Gary, so you might owe him an apology. Bet that won't be forthcoming. I have criticised him time and time again, but people have jumped the gun here.
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They quotes are real, what are you on about? The only bit that's misinterpreted (or twisted if you want to be cynical) is the 'he doesn't know how to behave' line. But it's the same message he's giving regardless.
 
Reddy Rederson said:
He wasnt making a statement, he was answering a question. Theres a world of difference. And I believe he is contractually obligated to do so. Theres also the point to make that we know he gets misquoted all the time, and yet still endless misquotes are used against him here as a matter of fact, and never questioned. But I suppose it comes down to one thing, why should anyone modify themselves because other people are pricks?

But again, I dont see the problem with what he said. Maybe its because I didnt grow up in the baby generation where I need to wrapped in cotton wool. Because thats the very thing hes talking about, in an interview, when asked a direct question. The point hes making a very clear to me, they dont need to be coddled, and when they are it stunts their growth. Not only as a person, but as a professional. Maybe he shouldnt be talking about it, but its not an insult. Its hardly their fault they are babied. If he was having a go at anyone its the ones doing the babying.
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:lol:
 
Reddy Rederson said:
He wasnt making a statement, he was answering a question. Theres a world of difference. And I believe he is contractually obligated to do so. Theres also the point to make that we know he gets misquoted all the time, and yet still endless misquotes are used against him here as a matter of fact, and never questioned. But I suppose it comes down to one thing, why should anyone modify themselves because other people are pricks?

But again, I dont see the problem with what he said. Maybe its because I didnt grow up in the baby generation where I need to wrapped in cotton wool. Because thats the very thing hes talking about, in an interview, when asked a direct question. The point hes making a very clear to me, they dont need to be coddled, and when they are it stunts their growth. Not only as a person, but as a professional. Maybe he shouldnt be talking about it, but its not an insult. Its hardly their fault they are babied. If he was having a go at anyone its the ones doing the babying.
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Yep, this is stupid. Now we have people stating that a Manchester United manager should not speak to the press and do interviews. Come on....
 
"Luke Shaw, who is currently the national team’s left-back, when I arrived here two years ago, he didn’t know how to compete. He had great potential, yes, but he didn’t know how to compete. When we talk about Luke Shaw, Martial, Lingard, Rashford, we’re talking about kids with great potential but still lack a word I can’t say but that you like a lot… they lack a bit of that.”

Our best guess there is that Mourinho, speaking in Spanish, wanted to say ‘cojones’, which means ‘balls’, but the interviewer then puts forward ‘character’, which Mourinho agreed with, also adding ‘lacking personality and that natural aggression’."

One misquote has gotten the so called 'Utd fans' baying for blood. Sometimes I don't know what Jose did to get this level of hatred.
 
Minimalist said:
They quotes are real, what are you on about? The only bit that's misinterpreted (or twisted if you want to be cynical) is the 'he doesn't know how to behave' line. But it's the same message he's giving regardless.
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It's funny because the article that was posted on the previous page (what everyone responded too) is not even misquoted (same quotes from SportsWitness). Maybe some other article misinterpreted his words but this one did not.
 
Random Task said:
The last 3 managers have failed dramatically, but by no means does that make them bad appointments by the man who hired them - at least not at the time - it only appears that way due to your misplaced use of hindsight. Let's assess the reasoning behind the last 3 managerial appointments.

David Moyes:

Moyes was appointed following a glowing endorsement by arguably the greatest football manager the world has ever seen, Fergie. A manager who held more influence at the club than a man in his position realistically should. So much so, in fact, that he was permitted to choose his own successor. A terrible mistake in hindsight, but at the time who would have dared argue with Fergie? Certainly not Ed Woodward. By putting his faith in the great man's judgement, he simply did what any man of sane mind would have done in that scenario. You would have done the same thing and so would I. Don't kid yourself otherwise.

Louis Van Gaal:

After the embarrassment that was the Moyes debacle, we needed an experienced hand in charge of the club. A man with a proven track record for steadying a sinking ship and building the foundation for future success. We needed a larger-than-life character who was accustomed to the day-to-day running of a huge football club. LVG was that man. Yes, he ultimately failed but the reasoning behind the decision to recruit him was perfectly logical.

Jose Mourinho:

It had been 3 years since Fergie retired and the club we were nowhere near to winning a league title. Fans were becoming restless, shareholders too. Pundits were mocking us, our rivals laughing at us. We were the new Liverpool. The new laughing stock. Feck that, said Ed. The club needed success, desperately. Who do you look to when you want to win trophies in the world of football? The answer is obvious, you recruit the second most successful football manager of the modern era, none other than Jose Mourinho. Yes he had a reputation for being a cnut, yes he played boring football, but who cares about such trivialities when the guy has won league titles at every club he has ever managed. His success at United was nigh-on guaranteed - we just needed to give him enough money to make it a reality. Around £400 million should be enough for a manager of Jose's ability right? Wrong, he failed and continues to fail. But given the circumstances at the time, was the decision to recruit him a bad one on Ed's part? Put yourself in his shoes and answer honestly.

All 3 managerial appointments post-SAF were bourne of sound logic and reasoning, and I doubt anyone else in Ed's position would have done things any better.
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Well put. I have said similar myself.
 
klsv said:
If you dislike what he said, then fair enough, I just hope people get pissed off at the right translation.
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He needs to shut the feck up, has he not learned his lesson yet about publicly criticising his own young players? Not to mention why name check Martial when he has found form
 
Even the genuine quotes are wrong IMO.
Why on earth is he coming out with that? Especially when some of these players have actually done well this season and are always at a disadvantage to senior players.
Regardless of performances.

And the irony of course, is that he's over twice their age and still acts just as immature and petty.

For me, it's this simple. Keeping Mourinho for longer than 3 seasons is just as big as risk as appointing Eddie Howe, we saw what happened at Chelsea.
This season, defensively this team is worse than Moyes Utd, it's worse than Van Gaal during his injury crisis where he had multiple youth players at the back.

But of course, it's all Ed Woodwards fault for not buying Maguire.
 
Absolutely , he should just learn to shut up and let the team preform will on a consistent basis. I'm just hoping that he does not cause too much damage before the summer and after that he's pushed out of the club
 
Cassidy said:
He needs to shut the feck up, has he not learned his lesson yet about publicly criticising his own young players? Not to mention why name check Martial when he has found form
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The interview was done more than a month ago.
 
fergieisold said:
Talent is a small part of winning. I'd say mentality is huge in football, you see it all the time, incredibly talented players with the wrong attitude getting absolutely nowhere. Ravel Morrison was a good example of that.
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I'm not talking about attitude though. Attitude affects every single one of us. Ravel Morrison's attitude would have seen him locked up and its only because he is a footballer that he got so many chances and sympathy.

What I mean is mentality specific to football. For example this notion of "winning mentality". Notice how all the teams with that label tend to be full of top class players?
 
The usual suspects in here are more upset about the comments than the players he mentioned will be.
He said they all have potential but need to be more mature, it's not exactly a character assassination.
 
When going on about maturity, Mourinho might want to reflect why Britain’s leading football cartoonist portrays him as a moody teenager. There is no benefit to the club in publicly criticising young players like that. He sounds seriously out of touch.
 
Johan07 said:
Yep, this is stupid. Now we have people stating that a Manchester United manager should not speak to the press and do interviews. Come on....
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My favourite is posters making out that Jose should know his words would make waves and be misinterpreted.
It took inaccurate headlines for fans to realise this one month old interview even exists and within that time our young players have even stepped up.
Its honestly ridiculous.
The press trying to trap Jose into making the same mistakes at the presser today was a disgrace as well.
 
MoskvaRed said:
When going on about maturity, Mourinho might want to reflect why Britain’s leading football cartoonist portrays him as a moody teenager. There is no benefit to the club in publicly criticising young players like that. He sounds seriously out of touch.
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Come on, dude. Seriously, how many times does it needed to be posted that he was misquoted?
 
Reddy Rederson said:
Come on, dude. Seriously, how many times does it needed to be posted that he was misquoted?
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I’ve seen the quotes, in fact I just went on the Spanish website with the interview. Obviously the headlines try to make it sound worse but the original quotes are not helpful.
 
He's not cut out to deal with the current generation. That much is very clear.
 
If people want to argue that this squad is good enough to be challenging City under a different manager don't be outraged when the manager slightly criticises some of them (in badly translated quotes) as we sit in 8th. He can't win.

Comparing it to SAF is pointless, he had a squad full of leaders Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Neville, Rio Rooney etc. You had to grow up quick or you were nowhere in those teams. This squad has nothing like that, it's just a squad of individuals all being told they are far better than they are/have achieved.
 
MoskvaRed said:
I’ve seen the quotes, in fact I just went on the Spanish website with the interview. Obviously the headlines try to make it sound worse but the original quotes are not helpful.
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How so? Since they were over a month ago and as we have all seen the players mentioned have been doing well. No one gave a shit he said any of this until it was twisted into click bait by the mirror. So who is it not helpful to?
 
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