The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

Is Mourinho’s time as United manager up?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,296 77.1%

  • No

    Votes: 293 9.8%

  • Not yet - needs more time to see if he can turn it around

    Votes: 388 13.0%
  • Total voters
    2,977
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Red_toad said:
Why would that be relevant to any discussion?
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Because he's in his 3rd season with us. If he's not prolific and a serial winner outside of two seasons, in any club he's been at, there is absolutely no case that can be made using that as a yard stick, as there is nothing to back it up. It's not like he's a new manager either, he's been around for nearly 20 years. This is nothing but blind optimism. We may as well pull out all the codgers - I wonder how Don Fabio is doing, maybe Ed should give him a call? We made the same mistake with LvG.

Red_toad said:
But if you wish won the league and the League Cup with Chelsea during his second tenure there. More of a actually winning things in 14 out of the last 16 season's he's been a manager. Not matter how unpopular he is here, his record speaks for itself. He is indeed a serial winner and I believe he's still got that formula within himself, just he's at the wrong club.
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If he's at the wrong club, then how on earth is that a strong case to keep him here? If he's at the wrong club, he needs to go and find the right one.
 
JonDahl said:
Because he's in his 3rd season with us. If he's not prolific and a serial winner outside of two seasons, in any club he's been at, there is absolutely no case that can be made using that as a yard stick, as there is nothing to back it up. It's not like he's a new manager either, he's been around for nearly 20 years. This is nothing but blind optimism. We may as well pull out all the codgers - I wonder how Don Fabio is doing, maybe Ed should give him a call? We made the same mistake with LvG.



If he's at the wrong club, then how on earth is that a strong case to keep him here? If he's at the wrong club, he needs to go and find the right one.
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Pretty silly argument quoting his 3rd seasons at clubs, as he doesn't last that long.

I'm stating he's at the wrong club, as that's my opinion. Obviously the board believe he can turn it around. I cannot speak for Jose, nor do I pretend to. So why don't you go ask him...
 
Fracture90 said:
I mean it's pretty relevant tbh. He asked you a perfectly reasonable question.

Mourinho is a serial winner, no question about that because he's won stuff wherever he's been.

But how many of those wins have come during his 3rd year at any club? Best i can think of was Copa del Rey during his last season at Madrid.

I mean you can't use his track record when it suits your narrative but then dismiss the other side of that track record just because it challenges your opinion and narrative.
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Glad you agreed he was a serial winner.

Shame someone selects the narrative of his 3rd season (which is a highly published issue), you comply pass on that.... But he has won stuff after his 3 year at 2 clubs, so it's still being a winner.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
Its quite simple. If Jose succeeds,its in his first couple of seasons provided he's backed financially.

That honeymoon period is over. This summer he wasn't backed and we're currently 8th. The man has NEVER proven he can turn around something like this.....thinking he can now,or is willing to,is naive at best.

Mutual separation this summer.
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He's only been in such a position once where he was sacked before he could do much to show he can fix it.
 
Red_toad said:
Pretty silly argument quoting his 3rd seasons at clubs, as he doesn't last that long.

I'm stating he's at the wrong club, as that's my opinion. Obviously the board believe he can turn it around. I cannot speak for Jose, nor do I pretend to. So why don't you go ask him...
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The long term argument is actually a pretty solid one. Mourinho is a manager that has quick success and then things get tougher, he doesn't have any history of actually building a long term project from scratch, he has mainly worked with DOFs.
So I'm with you on the idea that he is in the wrong club, Napoli would be a better club(team) for him, PSG's current team would probably be better too if it wasn't for the owners. United's current project is exactly what Mourinho has never done and he has also never shown the ability or interest in building and developing a team bricks by bricks. And unfortunately, he seems to still be in the mindset that quick fixes are the way to go.

I believe that he is a good manager and that he was a great manager 10 years ago but I believe that United and Mourinho limit each others abilities.
 
BrianMcClair'sBarnet said:
Jose has just gone on a rant against most of our young players. Dafuq is wrong with the guy.:lol:
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This one is quite the thing. Shaw and Martial - two of our best through the season and he murders them. Rashford and Lingard - academy products, just had good displays for the NT and he throws them under the bus too for good measure. He really outdoes himself each time he opens his mouth. Unbelievable.
 
Red_toad said:
Glad you agreed he was a serial winner.

Shame someone selects the narrative of his 3rd season (which is a highly published issue), you comply pass on that.... But he has won stuff after his 3 year at 2 clubs, so it's still being a winner.
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Of course he is, I may not approve of him being our manager but I ain't deluded to ignore the past success he's had.

Don't think you understand the point we were making tbh. Considering we're in his 3rd season and we're looking quite poor, based on his track record, he enjoyed little to no success during his 3rd season in his previous clubs, so besides the cliche "there's first time for everything" what else is there to make us believe he'll be able to turn stuff around?
 
Mourinho: "Luke Shaw, he's got big potential but doesn't know how to behave. Big potential, yes, big potential."

Mourinho: "We're talking about Luke Shaw, Martial, Lingard, Rashford - young, big potential, but at the end of the day it results in the word I cannot say, but you use it a lot here. Character, personality, they lack a little." #mulive [univision]

Mourinho: "They are spoilt kids now, the kids of today have a different life, an easier environment and i'm talking about the people around the players." #mulive [univision]

Mourinho: "They (young players) are lacking maturity - and let me be clear when I say maturity, I mean maturity on a personal level." #mulive [univision]

:lol:
 
BrianMcClair'sBarnet said:
Mourinho: "Luke Shaw, he's got big potential but doesn't know how to behave. Big potential, yes, big potential."

Mourinho: "We're talking about Luke Shaw, Martial, Lingard, Rashford - young, big potential, but at the end of the day it results in the word I cannot say, but you use it a lot here. Character, personality, they lack a little." #mulive [univision]

Mourinho: "They are spoilt kids now, the kids of today have a different life, an easier environment and i'm talking about the people around the players." #mulive [univision]

Mourinho: "They (young players) are lacking maturity - and let me be clear when I say maturity, I mean maturity on a personal level." #mulive [univision]

:lol:
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Not sure why you are laughing, he’s not exactly wrong.

I’m predicting a shitstorm on The Caf and Twitter though :p
 
Someone in Shaws entourage has seriously wound José up.
I'd love to know what happened. This isn't the first time he's attacked the hangers on.
 
Jeez, those quotes are absolutely pathetic. Not sure what's more embarrassing to the club, the constant woeful results or the constant hammering players publically. He's a coward of a man.
 
SirAF said:
Not sure why you are laughing, he’s not exactly wrong.

I’m predicting a shitstorm on The Caf and Twitter though :p
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I'm not laughing whether its wrong or right. I'm laughing because there is always something that can instantly irk him.

There's always something.
 
Mick321 said:
Jeez, those quotes are absolutely pathetic. Not sure what's more embarrassing to the club, the constant woeful results or the constant hammering players publically. He's a coward of a man.
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Hammering?..
 
SirAF said:
Not sure why you are laughing, he’s not exactly wrong.

I’m predicting a shitstorm on The Caf and Twitter though :p
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Well, yeah obviously it's a bloody stupid thing to say, consistently calling out our players has left us languishing in 8th place. Maybe it's about time he stopped calling out our players, two of whom have been among his best performers this season, or better yet call out the players who actually deserve calling out (Matic and Lukaku for example).
 
AltiUn said:
Well, yeah obviously it's a bloody stupid thing to say, consistently calling out our players has left us languishing in 8th place. Maybe it's about time he stopped calling out our players, two of whom have been among his best performers this season, or better yet call out the players who actually deserve calling out (Matic and Lukaku for example).
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I don’t think that’s the reason, mate.
 
To be honest it's not a stretch to say that the new generation of footballers is a different type of animal. You can argue whether it's good or bad, who knows? I personally liked the previous generation much more.

What's clear is that Mourinho can't handle the new generation, he is totally againts everything what those footballers are doing. I can imagine lots of Instagram, Snapchat and Whatsapp during trainings, video games in their free time, greedy advisors, etc.

So eventually I think Mourinho won't spend too much time in club management in the future, he'll have a shot at an international team and that's it.
 
The irony of Jose Mourinho discussing behaviour.
 
BrianMcClair'sBarnet said:
Cant be great for morale though.
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That depends on the players mettle, in my opinion. We (and the board) know that Mourinho requires his players to be warriors. It’s not a coincidence that the players who has been praising and defending Mourinho fiercly are strong characters (Zlatan, Vieira, Zanetti, Materazzi etc).
 
Aside whether he's right or wrong, was it really necessary for him to spill his beans to the press yet again in the moment when we need some stability and unity going forward?
 
SirAF said:
That depends on the players mettle, in my opinion. We (and the board) know that Mourinho requires his players to be warriors. It’s not a coincidence that the players who had been praising and defending Mourinho fiercly are strong characters (Zlatan, Vieira, Zanetti, Materazzi etc).
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He's accusing them of lacking maturity at a personal level. In the press. By name. That would imply that he should know they won't react well to this and that the quotes will only damage things.

Fergie himself sometimes spoke about how players had changed over time with more (and easier) money, media attention etc. However, he never threw them under the bus with such naming and shaming.
 
Even if it's true, it's not the time to say it. You realise why he's not spent more than three years at any club and why the trend will continue.

 
Can’t the man ever STFU? why does he have to share this with the public? No wonder he falls out with players so often. Ridiculous.
 
BrianMcClair'sBarnet said:
Mourinho: "Luke Shaw, he's got big potential but doesn't know how to behave. Big potential, yes, big potential."

Mourinho: "We're talking about Luke Shaw, Martial, Lingard, Rashford - young, big potential, but at the end of the day it results in the word I cannot say, but you use it a lot here. Character, personality, they lack a little." #mulive [univision]

Mourinho: "They are spoilt kids now, the kids of today have a different life, an easier environment and i'm talking about the people around the players." #mulive [univision]

Mourinho: "They (young players) are lacking maturity - and let me be clear when I say maturity, I mean maturity on a personal level." #mulive [univision]

:lol:
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Just to put the quotes in proper order. Please note that the original interview was in Spanish, so some stuff might be affected by translation. (make of it what you will)

In an interview with Univision, when asked what his young players at United are lacking, Mourinho replied:

"They are lacking maturity. And let me be clear when I say maturity, I mean maturity on a personal level.
We had more men, we were more mature, we were more prepared for life, we were less protected.
They are spoilt kids now, the kids of today have a different life, an easier environment and I’m talking about the people around the players.
These people give them too much affection and too many excuses. People mature much more slowly now.
Luke Shaw, he’s got big potential but doesn’t know how to behave. Big potential, yes, big potential.
We’re talking about Luke Shaw, Martial, Lingard, Rashford – young, big potential, but at the end of the day it results in the word I cannot say [cojones], but you use it a lot here… character, personality, they lack a little."


https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/22/jose...-and-luke-shaw-for-lacking-character-8168925/
 
This is why he doesn't last anywhere. His management style is too reliant on airing dirty laundry and challenging club staff in public. Even worse is the timing. Some of these players have helped keep him in the job the last 2 months. Why risk unsettling them now?
 
He's right but what good does it do making this public? And do you see the likes of Klopp and Pep moaning about such things in public?

Jose is old school, we get that. Just not sure this thing works anymore, if it ever did.
 
BrianMcClair'sBarnet said:
Mourinho: "Luke Shaw, he's got big potential but doesn't know how to behave. Big potential, yes, big potential."

Mourinho: "We're talking about Luke Shaw, Martial, Lingard, Rashford - young, big potential, but at the end of the day it results in the word I cannot say, but you use it a lot here. Character, personality, they lack a little." #mulive [univision]

Mourinho: "They are spoilt kids now, the kids of today have a different life, an easier environment and i'm talking about the people around the players." #mulive [univision]

Mourinho: "They (young players) are lacking maturity - and let me be clear when I say maturity, I mean maturity on a personal level." #mulive [univision]

:lol:
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How can you not love the guy? I mean he's so god-damn personable! The kind of bloke you really want to root for!

Miserable cnut.
 
Ironically these comments and the way they will be spread out are the reason why he is wrong. Young players are now asked to be at the top of their game in their early 20s, they are expected to play and act with maturity at an early age and if they don't they are targeted at a global level, millions of people, hundreds of medias will target them on a daily basis, the scrutiny and expectations are a lot more intense today than it was in the past.
 
This sort of thing has been an ongoing charade for 3 years. Man hasn't got a clue what man management means and regularly comes out with comments like these, yet he wonders why the press are always on his back about his relationships with players.
 
The irony of that petulant manchild calling out someone's behaviour and maturity. The man just has zero self-awareness.
 
BrianMcClair'sBarnet said:
Mourinho: "Luke Shaw, he's got big potential but doesn't know how to behave. Big potential, yes, big potential."

Mourinho: "We're talking about Luke Shaw, Martial, Lingard, Rashford - young, big potential, but at the end of the day it results in the word I cannot say, but you use it a lot here. Character, personality, they lack a little." #mulive [univision]

Mourinho: "They are spoilt kids now, the kids of today have a different life, an easier environment and i'm talking about the people around the players." #mulive [univision]

Mourinho: "They (young players) are lacking maturity - and let me be clear when I say maturity, I mean maturity on a personal level." #mulive [univision]

:lol:
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If Fergie said that no one would bat an eyelid. Same goes for Pep.
 
I can't believe he doesn't stop, not that I am complaining, it's great entertainment.
 
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