Keefy18
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No im not. But can you can explain why we spent less than Fulham and West Ham in the summer, despite having many positions that needed to be filled and good quality players were available to fill those positions? Maybe you can speculate?
Im curious to know, are you saying its Jose's fault that we didnt recruit the right players in the summer?
Poor examples there aren't they? Fulham are rock bottom of the league mate and West Ham 8 pts behind us currently?
- We out spent Watford and Bournemouth, they are level on pts with us.
- We spent more than Spurs and they are ahead of us by 7 pts and Pochettino as next manager is laughed at by many of our fan base, cause he hasn't won anything!
There's far more to football management than simply money spent. Clubs with far fewer resources in every sense of the word are out performing us, maybe if we spent like Fulham in the summer we could still play like Republic of Ireland circa 1990, hoof ball at its absolute best and be closer to the bottom of the table?
Read Jose's statement released by the club. He mentions that he wanted to push Martial to work harder. The rest, as you yourself put it, are just rumors.
Oh yeah, that's why Martial is refusing to sign a new deal now. Add in De Gea to this as well. No problem with De Gea signing on with Woodward and LVG as his managerial foundation, two years of Jose and he is utterly fed up and is now too refusing to sign with us it seems.
Yes, the manager together with scouting department decide the targets and provide the shortlist of targets. And it seems the CEO decides to not act on that list. If the short-list was provided why weren't the players bought? You've again side stepped my question regarding out going transfers (Darmian, Rojo, Jones)
I've literally provided you with facts.
Darmian was kept because of Jose, Jose stated he was low on defensive cover. You know, after he sold Blind and then loaned out two promising defensive talents in Fosu Mensah and Tuanzebe?
A recent quote from Jose
“For me, it’s good news that Matteo is staying," the United manager said. He’s always an option for us, he’s always a reliable player. We know that his performance level is one where we know that he always does a job for the team - right-back, left-back, starting, on the bench – he always does it.
“He's a fantastic professional. He's a guy that is loved in the group by his human nature too, so for me, in the end, it's good news if Matteo is not leaving.”
Similarly he has kept Jones and Rojo and activated the one year extensions on their deals I believe? So, what exactly am I sidestepping? I'm literally providing you with quotes and evidence from the manager that he wants to keep many, many players our supporters believe to be deadwood. But we have folks like yourself, blaming Woodward for that.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record here... I ask again, how is that LVG can complete more transfer business in 4 transfer windows, without Woodward blocking him might I add, than Jose can in five transfer windows?
The only change in that scenario is what? LVG to Jose. The latter simply hasn't a scooby doo (clue) what he wants from his team after 2 and a bit seasons and is dragging his feet and rewarding mediocrity and fringe players with new deals.
Ribalta is employed by Woodward not Jose. No one knows if Ribalta joined because of the possible signing of Morata or because he was Jose's man. What we do know, as you have rightly stated, that the chief scout of man united left in the middle of the transfer window. thats not normal and again stinks of instability at the club.
He left for a better job. He was our head scout and was given a role as Sporting Director at Zenit. He said there was no ill feeling but just wanted to take on the more senior role at Zenit.
Whether you like it or not, the buck stops at Woodward. If things are not right off the pitch its Woodward's responsibility. Plain and simple. (Just how it is for Jose, if things are not right on the pitch).
What exactly is not right off the pitch? We are generating record revenue streams like we never have before. He is directly responsible (as you've admitted) for the financial structure and providing our managers with said financial support. He's done that.
If your going to bring up the DoF argument again, I've stated my own belief on why we don't currently have a DoF and it rings true when you consider Jose's recent sentiments at United
“That’s football, that’s football management, I think football is changing and probably football managers should be called head coaches. I think we are more the head coach than the manager,” he said.
Remember these comments?
Just to add more colour on how much of a spoofer Jose is, in the same interview post Leicester City (opening game) he waffled on about playing against a team who spent more. Well that argument quickly went out the window when we got played off the park by Spurs, Burnley and Derby who spent considerably less or nothing at all.
He's a cheque book manager for the vast majority of his career bar his Porto achievements.
My argument is very simple because its not based on sentiments or on assumptions like yours. Woodward should have hired a DOF . He's been on the job for 6 years. Is he just waking up to the idea that we dont have a clear footballing vision? Thats been obvious since Moyes-Van Gaal tenures.
My argument is steeped in reality, facts and quotes as per the above.
Yep in an ideal world our club would have a DoF, But hey.. Gill didn't seem ready to over rule Fergie and put a DoF in above Fergie did he? Gill could well have suggested a DoF upon his retirement and running away the minute his golden ticket (Fergie) expired, but he didn't did he? It's amazing how little blame Gill gets in all this mess and Woodward takes the brunt of it all.
Why didn't Gill have a logical plan in place for Fergies successor? Why didn't he even stay on one extra year to assist Woodward and the Glazers in this new era? To ensure a smoother transistion? He didn't do any of that and amazingly he still rakes in profits as a major share holder and you won't see his name pop up in the mix when folks are playing the blame game.
For an ideal scenario at a club the manager and board work in harmony together, that was happening until there seemed to be some disagreement in the rumoured targets in the summer. Jose seemed to be thinking short term, even though he had recently signed an extension. Why are supporters ignoring this?
Woodward was right to say, hang on I've given you a better deal and want you to look long term at United but you want to sign players for the now. That screams to me he wants quick fire short term success and to piss off with a nice pay day. Woodward is making him do his job, the one he is so very generously paid to do.
Seems to me Woodward wants to keep the peace and not upset the status quo too much and changes like forcing a DoF can be damaging to morale. I mean Jose was refused some transfers in the summer, still got a talented CM and promising right full but chose to have a public fight with players and the board with sly digs in the media against all.
I do wonder what his reaction would have been had Woodward completely over ruled and put in a DoF with it not being his personal preference. I'd argue had that happened we'd be far worse off than we currently are and things currently are pretty god damn awful right now.
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