This is a good post. At least it is clear and rational. The point about Lukaku is also true, people have turned against him so violenty.
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This is a good post. At least it is clear and rational. The point about Lukaku is also true, people have turned against him so violenty.
Yes people want Mourinho out because they're "impatient spoilt brats". Not because of the actual football we play. Of course it cannot have anything to do with that.
Look, not that many people are really going to take issue with someone putting faith in our manager. Okay, they may disagree with it but calling posters only happens because we've seen the below
1. Championing Mourinhos efforts at United as heroic as if he's been working at Stoke.
2. Claiming we don't spend big when we clearly do. One summer we didn't for disagreements behind the scenes. Otherwise all our managers post SAF have had terrific backing. Enough to play quality football.
3. Claiming Mourinho's signings aren't the ones he wanted. FFS.
4. Using Ed to absolve Jose. Seen this one as well.
5. Bemoaning the quality of our players (sadly the manager does this too).
6. Lapping up everything the manager says. This is probably alright. Fans getting behind the words of their manager can happen.
In the end Mourinho does have a huge fan following here. There's people who were big fans it seems from his Chelsea, Inter, Madrid etc days. Which I feel is slightly odd, because I can't imagine loving a manager from another team, but it exists all the same. There's no point about us denying the existence of such individuals who being fans then go on to defend their position of our support which stems from adulation.
Of course one can favour Jose and not have a biased perspective too. It's just clear from the arguments presented to everyone that for some it stems from that sort of place. Also nobody is victimising anyone. That's a perception.
I agree with that.
Don't mind people believing him to be the wrong player for us, and criticising the player and manager as a result. But some of the reaction to his recent form has been unduly viscous.
Sure thing mate, if you say so.
Of course.No hard feelings.
I'm sure we all can get along better than we do in this thread
Football business is just a business today. I am sure Woodward seees any player as an investment not as a gift to his manager!
Didn’t say a person had to walk away, and once again we come up against your opinions not facts. Who gets to decide what is or isn’t a good argument? You? Me? Them? An argument is just that, a point of view. Saying the internet is fecked is a poor excuse. Just because everyone else engages in utterly childish behaviour doesn’t mean we all should, or that it gives us an excuse. Can’t we even try to better?
Something a lot more poeple need to do is accept that other people have different opinions. And forcing yours on someone else is never going to work. And calling them names is going to work even less. Kinda like this argument, you’ll never convince me that being a knob to people that have a different opinion is acceptable. Can you accept that, or am I (insert childish name here)?
Jose time is over, it is an insult in the history of our rich club to even think that we should stick to this manager. Both real Madrid and Chelsea realized that and gave him the boot. Their fans were angry at the style of football and if that ugly football is not backed with titles it will collapse very very fast because fans know enough that JM lay no foundation in his team but he only try to steal a title, in Spain his target was the UCL in a team that has the best player in the world and a world class team and he failed and he got the boot. In Chelsea he got the boot when he was near relegation, it always ends with disasters at his previous teams. Now he has been here for more than two years, it is very easy for a very usual football supporter to see he is a problem not a solution. He used to be energetic and enthusiastic but imo he seem like he lost all his passion to the game and he is not the same person 15 years ago. We need to move on and so is he.
He should go and the main reason is that he could not get United to play good football and he is not winning the PL or the CL by playing terrible football. I do not think I would like United to play like his Milan side even though they won the CL. It was terrible football most of the way.
He might not be but you sure as hell are
LOL what are you talking about ? Did you even read my post or the posts you quote or you just searched the word "back" in thread search function ?
I said that no one said he wasn't backed in general because he didn't get a CB. We were saying that last summer was a failure.
You brought quotes that said last summer he wasn't backed. That's pretty much what I said, no ?
Even someone you quoted already posted a long post on you saying he was talking about last summer.
When we say he wasn't backed last summer, whatever that's wrong or not, the direct replay is always "he was backed his previous 2 summers and spent shite ton on Pogba and Lukaku", something no one deny or say it didn't happen.
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One issue with that, the match going fans don't feel the same way.
So are people saying 400 million quid later, of we sneak on 4th we should give him another shot? When will this madness end?
What, this thread or Jose getting sacked?
In the case of the former, when Jose gets sacked. In the case of the latter, when this thread ends.
Just a matter of time.
At well organized clubs the stratergy during the transfer window is to have multiple high quality targets for each problem position not just one or a couple. Of course Woodward can't be successful in bringing every single player Jose wants (especially when it's players of the ilk of Varane). That's not always possible and rarely happens.
But, what if there are multiple players suggested for each position, some of whom are at smaller clubs (eg Alderweireld, Kouilibaly, Maguire or Perisic). Is failure to recruit those players still justified? If these players aren't considered good enough or too old where are the alternatives suggested by Woodward and his team?? Why weren't they bought considering Jose gave them a list of players months before the summer. They had plenty of time to find alternatives.
Regardless, judging Jose's targets is not Woodward's job. His job is to get Jose his targets. He failed at that job THIS summer, no matter how you want to hide it or twist it. The same is true for moving "deadwood" players out of the club which would have freed up space and wages for new players. Why weren't Darmian, Rojo and Jones moved on even if the club wanted them to leave?
Ask yourself, is this the first time Woodward failed to complete transfer deals? How can one not believe that this wasn't just another failure to recruit and sell players as has happened in the past?!
What does Woodward's failure in the summer have to do with the performances of the team? Well we clearly have problem positions to fill - eg . CB, RB , RW where we lack world class talent.
Of course this doesn't take away from Jose's failures as a coach. That's why I want him gone. But I know if Woodward remains in his current position the problem we have with recruitment will occur again and again no matter who the manager is. Therefore the need for a DOF.
A DOF is essential, we can all agree on that. Where we disagree is that I think a DOF should have been hired by now while you think that the fear of Jose's famous tantrums (for which you gave numerous examples) should deter Woodward from hiring a DOF, which to me is a ludicrous suggestion (and also a massive baseless, assumption, how do you know this is the reason a DOF hasn't been hired? To put it in your words - you're basing this on what exactly?). A football club the size of Man United doesn't make critical decisions on the basis of anyone's tantrums, most of all someone who is disposable. (And there's no doubt Woodward is the man in-charge similar to Perez at Madrid. I don't think you understand the structure of the club)
Therefore, to me its inexcusable that after being in the job for 6 years Woodward hasnt identified this as a problem and hired a DOF. Despite numerous dud signings and failures in negotiations the status quo has been maintained. It seems that such kind of mediocrity only warrants censure when one is a manager not a CEO. Maybe you have a different barometer for measuring performances of a manager and a CEO. I don't have that problem.
This summer was particularly crucial because we finished as the best of the rest (2nd) it was the ideal time to invest in the team, to close the massive gap on city just like Liverpool have in the last two transfer windows. Yes there's no guarantee that Jose and his team would have done well if the summer window had gone to plan. Theres no guarantee that our playing style would have improved. But one has to have faith in the manager and acknowledge that the team (before this season) was overall on an upward curve in terms of stature and results (not the playing style), something we hadn't experienced since Moyes and Van Gaal.
Now you might argue that Mourinho guiding us to 2nd and the second stage of the CL (which van Gaal couldn't do) is not as good as Van Gaal taking us to 5th but I can't engage with such nonsense. UEFA and the premier league counts 2nd higher than 5th. Maybe you would like to convince them that 5th is better. Good luck with that.
Hope my "idiotic" argument is much clearer to you now.
PS - just to make it clearer for you. I want Mourinho and Woodward, both to be ousted come next summer. To me both are part of the problem.
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We won’t get 4th. And if we did, it would harm the future of the club giving Jose more time.
He’s done at the top end of the game. Let’s not get all Arsenal and keep him just because of past glories.
We're much worse than Arsenal. Wenger is Arsenal's greatest ever manager, Mourinho's done comparatively feck all for us. His past glories come from elsewhere.
Uhm, err, 2 trophies, and 2place!!!!
Over 2,500 votes on here and very nearly 70% want him gone now. Pretty damning.
I want him gone too. On the most basic level, I simply can't stand his football philosophy. United is about freedom to express yourself; encourage the players to get on the ball and show their talent. Human beings generally respond better to that than being told, 'do this, do that, don't do that'. Jose doesn't get that. I think it was last year that he said something along the lines of 'it's better that we don't have the ball because we have less chance of making mistakes'. Unfathomable words for a United manager to say. That sort of negative mentality clearly shows in the tumescent performances we regularly see.
We have to be winning the league or Champions League for me to stomach him any longer. We certainly don't look like doing that any time soon and unfortunately, I don't see us getting much better under Jose. I'd bin him off now and let Carrick and McKenna coach the team for the rest of the season. In the meantime, the decision makers should come up with a long-term strategy for the club, hopefully in tune with the club's traditions and principles. Then, get a manager in for the start of pre-season who fits the philosophy of the club and the long-term strategy.
My two cents.
I want him gone too. On the most basic level, I simply can't stand his football philosophy. United is about freedom to express yourself; encourage the players to get on the ball and show their talent. Human beings generally respond better to that than being told, 'do this, do that, don't do that'. Jose doesn't get that. I think it was last year that he said something along the lines of 'it's better that we don't have the ball because we have less chance of making mistakes'. Unfathomable words for a United manager to say. That sort of negative mentality clearly shows in the tumescent performances we regularly see.
We have to be winning the league or Champions League for me to stomach him any longer. We certainly don't look like doing that any time soon and unfortunately, I don't see us getting much better under Jose. I'd bin him off now and let Carrick and McKenna coach the team for the rest of the season. In the meantime, the decision makers should come up with a long-term strategy for the club, hopefully in tune with the club's traditions and principles. Then, get a manager in for the start of pre-season who fits the philosophy of the club and the long-term strategy.
My two cents.
Kid.
The state of the Jose in posters calling people kids...disgusting
I see that and raise you the three fingers -- LC, EL and CS treble!
The mouronic treble
Have you any actual proof of this? I mean its often been thrown at Woodward we have a "scatter gun approach" to transfers? Wouldn't that suggest multiple targets each transfer window? From the rumours over the summer, Jose wanted Toby, Bonucci or Maguire.
Toby is starting to get on an his form this season is hit n miss justifying bypassing him.
Bonucci is quoted as saying he did receive an offer, but didn't want to join United and especially when Juve came in to save him.
Maguire, the prices quoted if to be believed would blow you sides ways! Ridiculous for a fairly average centre half who was only bought for £12m the summer previous.
Personally speaking, I take a lot of transfer rumours with a heavy dosage of salt as United are always linked with players.
Already addressed two of those four players and if you want to add Perisic to the mix, it'd certainly seem Jose saw Perisic as a direct replacement for Martial. Whilst Perisic can play both wings, so too can Sanchez and what did Jose do? Ostracise Martial for being in his best form and played an out of sorts Sanchez religiously. Fair to assume Perisic was seen as Martial's replacement and if you care to look into their respective numbers, Martial is the far more effective player having been involved in goals more consistently per 90mins.
Oh and I beg to differ, the board are obviously allowed some input to transfer proceedings. It's the boards money after all and they want value for money or at least a sound investment being done. Is say Martial out and Perisic in sound investment? For me, not even close. It's financial suicide. Same goes for Toby and Maguire pretty much.
Woodward has evidence before him of Jose's "here and now" signings like Matic and Sanchez, both look like they need replacing already. Now pray tell why on earth a Chief Exec would sign off on 2 players that'd cost us approx 70-75m a piece (based on the rumours) for short term returns at best?
All clubs miss out on players, you've just said as much yourself. But there is evidence also of transfers being done very quickly, like Lukaku and there was no issue with selling players under LVG.
Here's a little fact for you, LVG made more squad adjustments (buys & sells) in 4 transfer windows (bear in mind he arrived late also in his first transfer window) than Jose has in 5 transfer windows.
Can you explain to me how Woodward is apparently stifling Jose's squad rebuild attempts, yet none of these issues existed under LVG?
Now before you go off on a rant about who should of stayed and shouldn't under LVG, The point I am making is transfer business happened without any real issues under LVG. He was supported 110% regardless of however supporters felt about each transfer.
Again, it depends on who was actually available. I'd prefer we invest in the right players and not just spend for spends sake.
His CB targets either were on the cusp of being past their best (Toby), didn't want to sign (Bonucci) or over priced (Maguire). As the rumours go, Woody would of signed off on a proven quality centre half in the mould of a Varane. That's World class talent and worthy of spending what needs to be spent. Would Varane of signed for us? Doubtful.
Jose can't really moan about his centre backs that much considering he sold our best passing defensive player in Blind and then loaned out 2 talented players capable of playing centre half in Tuanzebe and Fosu Mensah. They obviously aren't on the level of Varane, but as supporters have we given up on expecting our managers to coach players to that level? Put the graft in and improve youth players and then you might not have the need to be spending 70-80m on centre halves?
I agree a DoF would be ideal, but as I pointed out and you completely and utterly ignore my sentiments about that problem.
Jose likes full autonomy over his team, he doesn't play well with others meddling in his team affairs. The evidence is there during his Real, Chelsea & now United tenures.
Woody could technically demand Jose to work with a DoF, But isn't that Woodward again over ruling Jose? Something the Jose "still in" supporters conveniently ignore. Woodward is in a rock and hard place situation.
Don't hire a DoF = Woody no idea what he's doing.
Hire a DoF = He's no idea what he's doing and shouldn't be interfering with Jose's team.
I doubt you were screaming "Dud signings" and "Failure" when Di Maria, Falcao, Pogba, Zlatan, Lukaku, Matic all rocked up to United. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and its up to each manager to make each transfer value for money. All Woody can do is provide funding in support of his manager, which he has done over and over.
I'm discussing league performance, LVG was closer to that season's champions than Jose has ever been since. That's the cold hard facts of the situation and again you chose to ignore the quotes from the man himself.
Season 1 Jose told us we chase trophies, not top 4 positions.
Season 2, Jose told us 2nd place was one of his greatest achievements.
The man is a grade A spoofer and will simply change tact to whatever makes himself look a world class manager when he's absolutely no where close to that anymore.
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Nice.
Yes clubs have multiple targets in order of priority. Did you really think they have a single target for each position? All the more reason the lack of recruitment is shocking.
Again, this is your view on the competence of Alderweireld or Maguire. Not Woodward's view on it or Jose's view on it. Stop conflating your view with Reality.
Firstly, Jose went on the record to say that he always wanted Martial to stay. So why dont you follow your own advice and take what you read in the media regarding Perisic/Martial with a pinch of salt.
Again you are giving your own views on the competence of Alderweireld and Maguire (which i disagree with) not the view of Woodward or Jose. Even if we were to believe that Woodward and the board didn't like the shortlist Jose gave them in April, where are the alternatives??? Why werent they signed? This stinks of incompetence on the part of Woodward and his team to act quickly and efficiently. Again, why werent Darmian Jones and Rojo moved on to make space for those new players??
You're right, i have ignored YOUR sentiments. Thats what they are, they are your sentiments not the sentiments of Woodward. Unless there is solid proof that Jose's tantrums are the reason for not hiring a DOF in the last 6 years then please stop using this as an excuse to absolve Woodward of any blame (since that seems to be your only agenda).
Ed Woodward hasnt hired a DOF for 6 years and Jose has only been around for 2 seasons. Again, Woodward is the CEO and the most powerful man at Man United. If he has the power to overrule Jose in transfer business then he also has the power to hire a DOF.
Woodward is doing a lot more than just provide funding. He's actively vetoed signings. Thats not his job. His job is to close deals, not to make decisions on transfers. Yes, one could argue that all of Jose's signings haven't worked but thats true for EVERY manager. Either you trust to your manager or you dont. If you dont trust your manager then fire him. Why keep him around? If Woodward has lost faith in Jose then why doesnt he fire him and bring in someone ASAP? Clearly when it comes to being organized and prepared we are behind schedule not just in hiring a DOF but also in hiring a replacement for Jose.
As you said yourself, Woodward is spineless.
Like I said, Im not going to engage with nonsense. We finished 2nd. Thats our highest position , highest no. of wins and highest points total since Fergie's retirement. So please just stop it.
Good post. The herd mentality of fans is ridiculous. Also people arguing extremes when the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Last season doesn't matter anymore.
We are at quite a critical point right now that could go a long way to defining the next few years. Missing out on the CL this season (I think we will) not only exposes us financially, it makes it highly likely that we lose at least 2, or possibly all 3, of our best players (DDG, Pogba & Martial). The manager will go too. Imagine that scenario for a second........
i dont think we will miss out on CL. But lets see how it plays out.
That's where the problem comes. Top 4 isn't satisfactory for Mourinho. The whole point of accepting Mourinho is that he gets us a title because his football is boring and he's full of drama. This season wasn't necessary for me. It was clear last season that he was another transition manager and that he didn't have what it takes to get United back to the top.
Top 4 will be tough because gaps like these usually widen as the season goes further along, but it's obviously still up for grabs as you rightly point out.
Waiting to see how it plays out is what concerns me. In fact it makes me extremely uncomfortable given the consequences of failure.
Every international break I hope against hope that he'd would be gone, but, STILL HERE. Amazing stuff.
May be he hasn't humiliated us enough yet.
May be he hasn't humiliated us enough yet.
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That is our league form so far this season. Negative goal difference and yet to win 3 in a row. 7 points behind 4th
Its easy and falsely comforting to think that there is a long way to go this season, but the trend so far is clear. City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal - they are not losing matches. We will probably lose 10 games this season. The team are not improving, and not consistent. I'm generally an optimistic guy but I really struggle to see how we are going to put together a consistency that is required in order to finish top 4.
That is our league form so far this season. Negative goal difference and yet to win 3 in a row. 7 points behind 4th
Its easy and falsely comforting to think that there is a long way to go this season, but the trend so far is clear. City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal - they are not losing matches. We will probably lose 10 games this season. The team are not improving, and not consistent. I'm generally an optimistic guy but I really struggle to see how we are going to put together a consistency that is required in order to finish top 4.
We are mismanaged from top to bottom, woodward, our scouting department and mourinho. at this moment we just have to hope that they all put their heads down and do their jobs properly.
i believe our managerial appointment in the summer will decide if pogba and martial will stay or not ( i think de gea will leave). If its a reputed figure in the game like zidane, i really think pogba and martial will stay.
I've already stated I don't believe we had singular targets, I said that even Woodward's detractors have stated he has a "scatter gun" approach, which suggests he is given multiple options for each position. I've listed multiple centre halves that we have been linked to as an example whereby we do in fact have options, not sure what the issue is here?
That's all any of us can do is express our own personal opinions, I've never stated it was matter of fact but considering Woodward hasn't followed through on some of the targets I'm sure there are valid reasons for each. Are you suggesting he literally said to Jose nope, I'm not releasing funds no matter what regardless of players age, wage, form or quality? Each transfer would obviously be looked at on a case by case basis.
Really? Where? Wasn't the rumour all summer long that Jose wanted rid of Martial? That was one of the stones cast at Woodward wasn't it that he didn't give Jose what he wanted? Jose publicly shamed him for staying with his wife and sick child at the time of birth. Jose has continually chased wide attacking players in Perisic and Willian as examples and this after getting Sanchez already.
You do realise its up to Jose provide the alternatives right? Its up to Jose to work diligently with the scouting network and draw up said list. Again remember, Woodward is but an accountant and no football knowledge, do you expect Woodward to be unearthing some hotly sought after talent from Portugal, Brazil or wherever?
Bear in mind, Jose's hand picked head of scouting at United Javier Ribalta left us in July also, smack bang in the middle of our busy transfer period.
You obviously don't get the workings of a forum do you, unless one of us here is actually on the board of directors with insider knowledge all any of us can do is best inform ourselves with the rumours and quotes that we get from those in the know.
I've given examples where he complained lack of attacking options at Real, fell out with Roman at Chelsea in his first stint and left and then even on his 2nd stint again fell out with a board members over transfers. Ironically, if memory serves right he was absolutely adamant that John Stones must be signed, whatever the cost. He didn't get his Centre back and of course what followed was the implosion of himself and Chelsea.
There is ample proof of Jose continually falling out with numerous boards over transfer business throughout his career. To suggest otherwise is absolutely ridiculous. That is what I am basing my sentiments on, what exactly are you forming your opinions on? It seems to literally...nothing.
You repeatedly undermine my personal sentiments, at least I am telling you the basis of my opinions and how I formed them. You on the other hand are just giving it the "You know nothing Jon Snow" rhetoric.
What is the basis for you believing what you do? Where is your evidence showing Jose has no issue working along side a DoF? All the evidence I've given shows that to be untrue.
All true, but what is also true is the team that has actually won the league has opened up a bigger gap on us under his tenure. That didn't happen with LVG there, yet he was blamed for not being good enough. Now that Jose is here its everyone's fault but Jose's pretty much.
Better get a feckin' result against Palace this weekend. For some reason I see a score-draw coming and more apathy building.
No im not. But can you can explain why we spent less than Fulham and West Ham in the summer, despite having many positions that needed to be filled and good quality players were available to fill those positions? Maybe you can speculate?
Im curious to know, are you saying its Jose's fault that we didnt recruit the right players in the summer?
Read Jose's statement released by the club. He mentions that he wanted to push Martial to work harder. The rest, as you yourself put it, are just rumors.
Yes, the manager together with scouting department decide the targets and provide the shortlist of targets. And it seems the CEO decides to not act on that list. If the short-list was provided why weren't the players bought? You've again side stepped my question regarding out going transfers (Darmian, Rojo, Jones)
Ribalta is employed by Woodward not Jose. No one knows if Ribalta joined because of the possible signing of Morata or because he was Jose's man. What we do know, as you have rightly stated, that the chief scout of man united left in the middle of the transfer window. thats not normal and again stinks of instability at the club.
Whether you like it or not, the buck stops at Woodward. If things are not right off the pitch its Woodward's responsibility. Plain and simple. (Just how it is for Jose, if things are not right on the pitch).
My argument is very simple because its not based on sentiments or on assumptions like yours. Woodward should have hired a DOF . He's been on the job for 6 years. Is he just waking up to the idea that we dont have a clear footballing vision? Thats been obvious since Moyes-Van Gaal tenures.
Im sorry if Im being patronizing, But your argument isnt logical or reasonable. Logically - Woodward isnt worried about Jose's tantrums because he (reportedly) vetoed his transfer targets or didnt do the business Jose desired and even (reportedly) canceled meetings with him on short notice. Why would he be worried about his tantrums when he hires a DOF? What the worst that can happen that hasnt already happened?
Reasonably - The club administration does whats best for the CLUB not whats best for Jose Mourinho. They have an immense investment to protect thats much more important to them than Jose Mourinho's tantrums. Woodward wouldnt walk on egg shells for someone who is disposable to the club. Mourinho isnt as valuable to the club as Alex Ferguson or Guardiola have been/are to theirs.
I can see what you're trying to say, but i disagree with the very premise that Woodward needs to worry about Jose's tantrums. I dont think you're entertaining the possibility that Woodward isnt managing the club well enough.
I think we need to worry about ourselves, we cant compare ourselves to city. We had improved in the first 2 seasons under Jose in terms of results (not as vastly in terms of performance/playing style that we expect). This summer was the right time to invest massively in the club to give city a run for their money and I feel Woodward dropped the ball on that.
We have already discussed that Jose needs to go. Instead of showing togetherness and strength (which he is only doing now) he behaved like a petulant child. But behind all the failures of Mourinho theres also the incompetence and mismanagement of Woodward and our scouting/recruitment department. I know you dont want to admit that. So lets just leave it here because the discussion has become repetitive.
The real problem would have been if Woodward had been signing players all by his own, which he isn't. I don't actually see much problem if he's looking at possible deals like Maguire and Alderweireld and says that's a no-go for that sort of money or age (in Toby's case). Sometimes in negotiations you walk away from a deal.
A lot of posters had hate festering since the final embers of last season which is bizzare. Our defence was and is truly a pile of wank. He was far more conservative to win games knowing there was a limited defence to lean on. I think attacking football could have come but at a cost to less points.
To build a side capable of great points and playing style you need time to change your squad in phases. Klopp started 7-8 months earlier than Jose did and only recently started to plug the final phase of rebuild into his defence. Not all, but many of those that demand the heavens without looking at the holes in our squad are impatient spoilt brats, yes.
I'm also going to address your points from my side:
1. Championing Mourinhos efforts at United as heroic as if he's been working at Stoke.
He has not been championed as heroic any more than he's been vilified for being cowardly. So many against mourinho just say inconsistent things like "he plays for a draw" or "he's a coward" when those traits don't get you a favourable win % or a good season hall of 81 points or a cup final.
Sure it wasn't heroic but it was a good season.
2. Claiming we don't spend big when we clearly do. One summer we didn't for disagreements behind the scenes. Otherwise all our managers post SAF have had terrific backing. Enough to play quality football.
It's not about spending big. It's about spending well, and spending enough. Last season it was 18 points between us and City who had spent 200m more than us. No one in the Jose in camp said feck it spend 300m. But forking out similar amounts to Fulham or Liverpool or West Ham isn't really a tough ask. Especially if we want to bridge the gap.
3. Claiming Mourinho's signings aren't the ones he wanted. FFS.
Inconclusive. I'm not saying they aren't but our general set up is a pile of wank. Our scouts are piss poor and Ed Woodward sticks his nose into football matters when he should focus more on what he knows, I. E. The business model of the club. Name dropping Varane under Jose or Bale under Moyes or whatever is just blue sky thinking and undermines the managers decision making process.
4. Using Ed to absolve Jose. Seen this one as well.
Ed is a bigger problem at the club than Jose. We had misfit signings before Jose and we have misfit signings during Jose. We will definately have misfits after.
5. Bemoaning the quality of our players (sadly the manager does this too).
The quality isn't good. Our back 4 is broadly pretty shite. You can't argue that and be serious. I also don't rate Rashford that highly (yet). I don't rate Pogba as world class (heck I didn't when he was at Juventus). Our quality is good enough for top 4 but not to win the league. Feck no.
Jose is a defensive king and knows his defenders. If he can't shape up our defence without a Conservative approach, I don't think many others can.
6. Lapping up everything the manager says. This is probably alright. Fans getting behind the words of their manager can happen.
Ok
I don't understand this. I don't think anyone "loved" Jose in his inter and Chelsea days. It was just a big respect for his achievements. That's fine to have if it's another club? I really respect Simeone, Sarri, Nagalsmann, etc. That doesn't mean I support United less.
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