Did you not say you were out of this thread ten minutes ago? Hilarious.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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How about Chelsea that were successful for years after he left, with his players?
If you want to forget about any other job he's had other than Inter, then you might have a point.
Don't you worry about me. Carry on.
Again, he said that "no one has claimed Jose wasn't backed". Which is as far from sensible as possible, despite his later attempts to qualify that statement. Everyone and their mother claimed and continue to claim exactly that.
I love @Ban 's version of being 'impartial'
Do you think he's a 'cultist'?
What are you on about?
You'd think that, though, being so explicitly in favour of the manager beyond any rational and logic. From that default and set-in-stone perspective everyone else is victimising you.
I mean, i think it's fairly clear that Mourinho has, at times, done pretty decent job at United but overall it's been a disappointment which hasn't met the level we all expected. Hence many of us wanting him to stay when he met the minimum requirements despite seeming like the wrong fit, and hence many of us wanting him to go now when he's both not delivering results nor seeming like the right fit nor improving his players in general nor playing good attacking football.
And I don't mind someone still having faith in him. He's won a lot. Fair enough if one has faith in him turning it around. I'd be delighted if he did. But the bias-ness is nauseating with some people, twisting everything around to determine a predetermined argument - they're all board signings, he's a done a brilliant job to achieve what he has, he's let down by the players etc.
Can someone explain to me what's the wrong part about saying Jose has done a poor job here,the football is crap,and all the players he bought are not living up to expectations or that with the level of investment we should at least challenge for the title or at the very worst play better football than Bournemoth? How is this an attack on Jose or an outrageous opinion? And claiming 'they blame him for everything' like do you know of any other football club in the universe where the style of football and player performances are the CEO's fault? Woody has enough shit to attack him about without attacking him for things he has absolutely feck all to to do with,like if we swap him for Daniel Levy or the Chelsea board we'll suddenly start knowing how to attack
Do agree that he improved us last season. I didn't want him out at the end of either of the last two seasons. But I've always been on edge about Mourinho and I don't see the top class coaching, player development etc necessary to take us to the top. That's now come to a head with even results not meeting bare minimum levels so it's a definite out from me.
So I would never deny that he improved us. That was was true. But it's also about whether the improvement is enough as well. Not that it's even looking like happening this season
Like if you're just going to complain only about the Jose out posters/posts just do it instead of trying to sound all neutral yet have a victim complex on behalf of one group and claim the other group is ruining the caf for you
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Victim complex?
Jesus, some of you take this place way too serious.
I don't remember trying to sound neutral.
Victim complex?
Jesus, some of you take this place way too serious.
I don't remember trying to sound neutral.
Oh, I see, carry on
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Yeah, I think Woodward is culpable too. But he cannot be used to absolve Mourinho.
Yes the poor soul should be allowed to post on a forum without having ensure the injustice of people responding. Respect people's space everyone.What?
Take it down a notch, we started of nicely, no need being smug.
Just to stay in the mood:
It's not up a notch. And this isn't necessarily not notice.
Based on your comment, why is him being "quoted in a second" an issue? And what aren't people "letting go" of?
I've said my piece here already. It's 2 groups pointing fingers at each other claiming one is worse than the other.
You said 'they won't let it go'. Who's 'they'?
It's 2 groups but you're also part of one group so no need to be neutral.
I can agree with most of that and its nice to see someone differentiate who is responsible for what.
TBH, It's not so much the transfer fees that are killing us currently, its our ridiculous wage bill.
Frightening to think Jesus at City is on considerably less than say Fellaini. from all reports and there are countless similar examples to be found also.
As mentioned though when you're buying from a close rival like we done for each of Lukaku, Sanchez and Matic you can expect to pay over the odds. Always been the case and always will be.
Edit:On a side note, you keep professing that Lukaku was our 1st choice. He wasn't at all.
Go back and look at what happened, Jose chased Morata and in some instances quite openly. I believe whilst on tour in the US he believed the deal was all but done and uttered something along the lines of expecting it to be done in the coming days.
Morata rocked up to London Airport to sign with Chelsea then and I think in less than a working week Lukaku was done.
Missing the basis of my argument, folks are looking at transfers far too linear and not taking into consideration factors like you've just pointed out. Whatever the reasons for Shearer and Batistuta not joining United, the point I'm making is Fergie wanted both and missed out on both. I mean we've a large section of our supporter base in meltdown cause Bonucci, Maguire or Alderweirald didn't arrive in the summer, without doing some investigation as to why. Similar enough the Perisic argument as well. In the Bonucci and Perisic instances, neither wanted to join United if folks care to read their quotes. But you can easily dig out hundreds of comments on here or any United forum attributing blame directly at Woodward.
And yes, its only down to UEFA greed that 2nd - 4th matter now.
Hell Jose told us in his first season that "United don't chase top 4, we chase trophies" when he missed top 4.
Feel free to dig out his quotes then from May 2017 forward where he has now repeatedly told us that "2nd place is one of my greatest achievements".
Finishing 19 pts behind the champions is one of his greatest achievements?
Fact is to become champions or at least mount anything close to a challenge it means being closer in pts to the side that wins.
It's simple maths, what's closer 19 or 15 points?
You can't seriously be comparing Perez to Woody? Really?
Perez has been head honcho of one of the worlds biggest clubs for a quarter century just about now, whilst Woodward is only a few years in and their approaches to their respective roles completely differ. I often defend Woodward as I try take on both sides of the argument before making my mind up but my god he really is spineless, Perez is absolutely ruthless and will sack managers no problem. If anything he is a tad too trigger happy with firing his managers.
I've taken nothing for granted, a DoF will obviously at some point or another over rule their manager, that is just common sense, are you suggesting it'll be plain sailing and no differences will be had EVER? The difference is, its Jose. Who has no issue making private issues public and undermining the club, its players and board to protect his own failings.
As for facts and no foundation for my argument, I've already giving it.
He publicly moaned about not having a good enough attack at Madrid, yes... I'm serious. The man who had Benzema, Higuain, Ozil and Ronaldo complained about lack of attackers in his team and expected Perez to give him a new striker. Feel free to dig out the quotes there on that, they are hilarious.
He fell out with the Chelsea board twice over transfers for god sake, why are you even attempting to deny this? His first stint ended over a fall out with Roman and the 2nd was with a board member of their transfer policy.
As I'm a new member I am not able to post direct links, but hey...feel free to google "Mourinho falls out with Chelsea board over transfers" and there are plenty of direct quotes from those close to the situation and what happened.
Now at United he spent the summer undermining our Centre backs in a very public chase of a new Centre back. Told supporters not to attend games, chose to play McTominay and Herrera as Centre backs over actual centre backs... Need I go on?
If anyone is putting forth an idiotic theory / argument it'd be you cause you are basing it on what exactly?
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Exactly
the likes of @cheeky_backheel and @VP89 as deluded as they may be at least they make their stance clear and well known.
posters like @ ban don't add anything to the discussion. Complains about one side pointing fingers and then does the exact same himself.
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I'm sorry you don't like my posts, you being a poster of real quality. One of the best even.
I tried to make my stance known in many threads but realized there's no point. This thread showed me again why.
I don't really see a need of this thread at the moment. Jose is here until the end of the season. He got us through the horror fixture list with just one defeat at the home of the league leaders.
If we show some consistent improvement throughout the season then I think the thread can be relevant again.
If we show some consistent improvement throughout the season then I think the thread can be relevant again.
All I'm saying is there's no need to take the moral high ground whilst trying to act neutral at the same time.
You said that 'they aren't letting it go' and then few posts later ' 2 groups pointing fingers'.
If you've made your stance known then you shouldn't be butthurt when a poster challenges another one.
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I'm not trying to be neutral. And you're hung onto my post like crazy. If you wish I can tell you one group is doing it. If that makes you happy.
Whatever man. Enjoy your day.
I really can’t see him still being in a job come summer time, I mean it’s been pretty obvious since his first season something wasn’t right and the fact we are now in to his third season and he can’t seem to get this team to do the basics of football, and there is no pattern to their play whatsoever shows his failure here.
Really do find it infuriating how poorly coached this team is. He has to go, there shouldn’t be any ifs or buts about it, he wasn’t and never will be Man United and simply he just doesn’t understand the club. His “supposed” recent comments about United being a 2nd rate club if true should have had him fired on the spot.
Really do find it infuriating how poorly coached this team is. He has to go, there shouldn’t be any ifs or buts about it, he wasn’t and never will be Man United and simply he just doesn’t understand the club. His “supposed” recent comments about United being a 2nd rate club if true should have had him fired on the spot.
Yes, really. Because that part I bolded is your opinion, not a fact. You could even say its a bias. If you think the conversation isnt going anywhere, then agree to disagree and move on. Or if the other person wont, use the ignore function. There is no reason to resort to name calling, you have the tools to avoid the person. Your argument is wrong, should I start calling you names? Ed lover? Eds butty boy? Undercover city fan? Of course not, because none of those is true. It would be a childish way of shutting down a conversation just like it is when that other poster does it. Dont agree with him, get called a name. We're better than that, surely? Agree to disagree, ignore, move on. Imagine if most people did that in this thread, maybe it wouldnt be a 400 page shit show thats long forgotten the original point.
Jose has to go asap simplez.
Why are grown men who apparently support the same team arguing amongst each other as to who is right or wrong?
All this wasted energy could be driven in another way, a protest to oust Jose from his hotseat.
Grow up fellas ffs.
Why are grown men who apparently support the same team arguing amongst each other as to who is right or wrong?
All this wasted energy could be driven in another way, a protest to oust Jose from his hotseat.
Grow up fellas ffs.
People not seeing the point of this thread can make a full use of that neat little perk called 'ignore thread'.
A lot of posters don't bother to read the posts fully. I'm not explicitly in favour beyond logic. I've said multiple times in posts that the start is inexcusable and despite not being backed this summer, he should have been able to put away West Ham, Brighton, shown more organisation against Spurs, etc. I put the bad start on Jose Mourinho. However I also think there is a big problem if a club fighting to make a title challenge walk into the season spending less than Fulham and West Ham.
People are actually victimising anyone who wants to give Jose time. That's the side I'm on. I think his managerial pedigree and pragmatism coupled with undeniable results progress in season 1 and 2 warrants him time to turn it around. But people don't like that view so I'm a Jose fanboy.
Any positive outlook is laughed at. Last season the Lukaku thread was far more optimistic on his talents, saying his buildup was more improved and that 26 goals in an opening year is very good for a return. Sure there were some concerns in technical areas but the view that he can potentially grow into a great player wasn't far fetched. He also performed admirably in the world Cup.
But now because he is in some bad form and I said he can still be a great player despite it, people quote with childish laughing emojies. It's a bit stupid tbh. There's just a gang mentality of posters who actually enjoy seeing us lose so they can go to the forum and act like mindless keyboard warriors.
You've literally said everyone is targeting say, myself because I'm in favour of the manager beyond reason. If that's the case why do I post in the next manager thread to entertain options? I am fine kicking Jose out if he's out of top 4 by the end of the season but I'd rather give the manager time because we have 2/3rds of the season to go and there's no one better available mid season. That's not irrational, it's just not consistent with the view of impatient spoilt brats on the forum who want to kick him out and probably give it to giggsy or turn to Zidane or some shit.
Except that 'piece' didn't make any sense.
Not at all. The bolded bit is factual unless you can't read sentences on their own merit. It is indesputable that weak and illogical claims are going to be debunked and called out. What you can do is argue abot which ones are actually weak/illogical biased, and that's your choice.
This impassioned plea for refraining from attacking an individual is fine except A) it's not really realistic despite the best intentions due to the nature of some of the posters and standards we're seeing here B) people use these "tags" out of convenience really. "Moaners" "Haters" "Worshipers", it's really just a by product of previously mentioned level of posting. It's not come about from a vacuum that preceded it C) Its a fools errard to expect people to merely walk away from discussions/arguments on an internet forum about a topic such as the manager of Manchester United who happens to be under intense scrutiny. Come on now. Get real.
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What am I deluded in, exactly?
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