Apparently Woodward has been plucking names from thin air.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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In normal circumstances this would be a reductio ad absurdum, but you could probably get one of the Mourinhonoids to sing off on this, without much alteration.
Liverpool and City nullified each other. It was all open games in the past meetings but this one was more cagey.
We set up negatively from the beginning hoping for lucky set piece or something. no intention of attack.
so technically LVG didnt fail, he actually did quite well to win a couple of trophies with the squad he had.I'm rarely wrong.
My track record is there for all to see on here.
I've called nearly everything that has happened since Fergie departed down to a tee.
Unfortunatley, if more people had my vision we would have hammered Woodward in 2014/2015 and not years later.
Pretty poor analysis all in all. No actual video evidence from matches presented (just referencing some).
In short, we all know Mourinho has an identity of being reactive to the opponents defensively and that he focuses on transitions (he was talking about 'lines' back in 2004 with Chelsea). The issue is that is where his direction appears to end.
What's next then?
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Chelsea and Arsenal both seem to have improved instantly. It's about finding the right guy. Jose concedes the title race by November every season. It's pathetic man. Chelsea still right up there despite being pony last season.
They gave him 10 signings and he cocked it up. His new players cannot even replace the old.
400 million spent and we are heading for a lower finish than when he arrived
CL final whilst we get done by Seville. Also near the top of the league. Basically where we dream of competing
Mate Herrera in Mourinhos first season put in more consistent performances than anyone. Milner is not consistent in every match. He often runs alot and creates nothing loses the ball and isn't in the game. Herrera already is that. Has it really got to the point where your gonna feel sad for Jose because he doesn't have milner? When he already has Pogba, Fred, fellanini, lingard, mata, herrera, periera etc
Liverpool aren’t shite. They desperately need to win a trophy but they’re not shite, come on man.
@CA1 ol' buddy, ol' pal, ol' buddy am I back to being ignored whenever I ask/point out something that doesn't fit your narrative?
I didn't agree with your points mate.
Henderson isn't a great player for Liverpool at all so I don't know you want me to say to Klopp supposedly turning him into some great cog in a great team. Because neither is true. Most Liverpool fans don't rate him at all and neither does Klopp hence why he sent over 100m on the summer on getting players that play in his position.
Liverpool are having a similar season to our last year, if we were having their season, there would be critics on here. They're really not playing that well. Lets see how close they are to City come Christmas.
At any top club be would have been sacked ages ago. Again we don't have the right ones who can put the right plan for our club. Six years now. My God six years and same people do the same mistakes.
Even SAF lost games in cups against weaker sides so we can't go too overboard about Derby and Bristol.
On West Ham is their line up of: Fabianski, Zabaleta, Balbuena, Diop, Masuaku, Rice, Yarmolenko, Noble, Obiang, Felipe Anderson, Arnautovic, that much worse than: De Gea, Young, Lindelof, Smalling, Shaw, Matic, Herrera, Fellaini, Martial, Lingard, Rashford.
Take the rose tinted glasses off, there really isn't that much in it.
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Wait, did you just proclaim yourself a visionary or a prophet or a twisted combination of the two?
Would make sense only if we didn't have the most expensive striker ever, the best paid player in the league, a 50 million quid mid and a former club record signing...all sat on the bench.
I believe a tag line is in order.
You missed pogba and lukaku.
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Woodward has made mistakes - but that does not clear Jose of his. Jose only has the capability to build a Jose team & unfortunately for many of us that does not resonate with what alpt of us want to see at United.
As much as you proclaim that you saw things in the future happening - I saw that Jose was not the right fit for United.
Ultimately we can get rid of Woodward and make this team build a Jose team - get the likes of Willian & perisic supplying Lukaku and some big overgrown players around the pitch. May Win a title or two - but ultimately some of us don't necessarily want to see that - we want to see a United team built for the future that resonates withe our tried and tested methods of old.
For simpler terms - i would rather see martial & Rashford upfront rather than Lukaku upfront himself as a target man. I'd rather see pogba & pereira play every game than Matic & mctomminay or felliani. We know what would happen if we got rid of Woodward for a Jose CE0 - but ultimately we don't want to see it. So Jose out.
Woodward has made mistakes - but that does not clear Jose of his. Jose only has the capability to build a Jose team & unfortunately for many of us that does not resonate with what alpt of us want to see at United.
As much as you proclaim that you saw things in the future happening - I saw that Jose was not the right fit for United.
Ultimately we can get rid of Woodward and make this team build a Jose team - get the likes of Willian & perisic supplying Lukaku and some big overgrown players around the pitch. May Win a title or two - but ultimately some of us don't necessarily want to see that - we want to see a United team built for the future that resonates withe our tried and tested methods of old.
For simpler terms - i would rather see martial & Rashford upfront rather than Lukaku upfront himself as a target man. I'd rather see pogba & pereira play every game than Matic & mctomminay or felliani. We know what would happen if we got rid of Woodward for a Jose CE0 - but ultimately we don't want to see it. So Jose out.
Absolutely.
You don't agree because of your pride, you're set in your way of trying to force a reaction from people and nothing else. Basically a WUM. You've tried to undermine the meaning of coaching, I debunked that myth for you with a proper example.
Obviously Henderson is an important part of their team, since after all he's still a captain and a regular starter.
Again no answer on Sarri/Mourinho? I'm disappointed.
Good discussion here with Jamie Jackson from the Guardian.
Ashley Young was an important part and often captain of our team that came 2nd last season ahead of Liverpool. Doesn't mean he was coached into being a great player by anyone.
Mourinho won the league with most of the players Sarri is working with and drawing 0-0 at home to Everton with now. Conte walked the league with them. Lets see if Sarri can do the same.
Surely a WUM. You ignore our most expensive players and then go on to say that our squad inst much better than West ham's.
Oh, and btw, even when SAF lost to minnows, it was an exception rather than norm. Nowadays, winning a game itself seems to be the exception, never mind winning convincingly.
I can't remember a game in so long where we have won convincingly,even against weaker sides.
If that's the case, surely the issue is with the players?
Mourinho should be kicked out instantly. His behaviour, tactics and his poor signings are just not befitting a Man Utd manager. He started off in preseason behaving like a spoilt primadonna. His football is just dreadful to watch and we are not progressing in any way forward. He is to blame, he is getting paid very well for being the manager of Man Utd but continues to blame everybody execept himself. He has spennt over 400 million pounds. Bring in Eddie Howe and start a proper rebuild playing prober football.
Should we trust that 100m or more money?
I think Mourinho is a winner, if he can get it right he can win us trophies or even treble and he has prove it many times before. Problems are Mourinho seems to be struggling to find the right players for him, or may be the right players just don't exist anymore in modern days.
Most of Mourinho's signing have been very disappointing. Lukaku & Matic have been our worst players this season and both are clearly Mourinho's signing not our scout recommendation. I can't imagine what will happen to Martial if we end up sign Perisic which clearly Mourinho's recommendation.
I think there are some positive about Mourinho this season like we started playing a decent football and we finally have the same back 4 week in week out. However, I'm in shocked what I saw in City's game that just because we lost Pogba, he decided to field more defensive players in his XI instead of replacing Pogba with a creative player who can pass the ball like Mata.
I think Mourinho is a winner, if he can get it right he can win us trophies or even treble and he has prove it many times before. Problems are Mourinho seems to be struggling to find the right players for him, or may be the right players just don't exist anymore in modern days.
Most of Mourinho's signing have been very disappointing. Lukaku & Matic have been our worst players this season and both are clearly Mourinho's signing not our scout recommendation. I can't imagine what will happen to Martial if we end up sign Perisic which clearly Mourinho's recommendation.
I think there are some positive about Mourinho this season like we started playing a decent football and we finally have the same back 4 week in week out. However, I'm in shocked what I saw in City's game that just because we lost Pogba, he decided to field more defensive players in his XI instead of replacing Pogba with a creative player who can pass the ball like Mata.
But Young was in and out of the team, he was a forced solution whilst Henderson is an integral part of Liverpool.
Again you're deflecting, you're reminiscing what happened 4 years ago and still dodging the answer on how you see Mourinho doing this season so far, when you consider Sarri bang average.
I mean you can say SAF won the league with some of the players Mourinho now has and Mourinho had us finishing 6th in his first season here, tho I can't really remember the Everton result that season.
Don't waste your time with him. He's buried his head in the sand and doesn't want to face the reality.
My View on this season is on post 14587.
Anyone who think I think we're doing well or anything is totally barking up the wrong tree. I think we're terrible. We have two top footballers in our whole squad. Nobody is more negative about our ability than me. I don't think we'll win the league ever again under these owners and board.
And if Henderson is so integral, why have they spent so much to replace him?
And if he is so integral, have you wondered whether that is the reasons they are also rans?
I haven't ignored anything. That's the West Ham team that beat us compared to what we had on Sunday (swap in Lukaku/Sanchez up front if you like, although many on here say Rashford is better).
Is it that much of a surprise we can't go toe to toe with City when it's barely better than West Ham's XI?
4 starters from Mourinho title winning side. Talk about exaggeration
You're right. Their squad now is better.
Mourinho won the league at a canter with
Courtois
Ivanovic Cahill Terry (over the hill) Azplicueta
Matic Fabregas
Willian Oscar Hazard (far from his peak)
Costa
Your agenda is nauseating. Could your head be any further up Mourinho's arse?
This just keeps getting better and better. Iirc my question wasn't on how are we doing, but what's your opinion on how's Mourinho doing this season if you deem Sarri to be bang average. The amount of deflection coming from you, one would be forgiven to think you're the man himself.
You really ought to read what I'm writing more carefully, they haven't spent that much to replace him, after all he's still a starter and their captain, but rather they've spent so much in order to get more depth, something that they lacked last season as evident by the number of times they had a couple of more players from their academy on the bench.
I find him to be amusing now since he started replying. Usually he would just ignore, now he's replaying but deflecting!
My head is not up his arse.
I rate him highly as a manager though (having the opposite view is actually more odd when you look at his record) and feel if he can't sort the mess out at our club than not many people will be able to.
I feel the structure of the football club, the board and the owners have all hindered his ability to do it. And I don't think a new coach will make a big difference to our long term abiltiy to compete at the highest level domestically and on a European stage.
His record suggests that after 3rd season you should cut him off
Read the post I referred to again. I specifically say that Mourinho has been poor this season and is poor in these situations when the club isn't behind him. He's not a good firefighter. If that's the job you want him to do, he's not the man for the job. The board should have sacked him if they weren't going to back him. They've wasted this season.
They've spent 100m on backups. Right OK mate.
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It's more of a suprise that plenty teams actually attack this city team all across the league in comparison to what was seen with United. We showed them way too much respect and just adds fuel to the fire that is Jose not creating a strong enough strategy and game plan with the players he does have - whether they are rubbish or not.
It's more of a suprise that plenty teams actually attack this city team all across the league in comparison to what was seen with United. We showed them way too much respect and just adds fuel to the fire that is Jose not creating a strong enough strategy and game plan with the players he does have - whether they are rubbish or not.
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