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The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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We've already cut him off. He's been cut off since the transfer window shut and Woodward briefed the press. This whole season is one big charade isn't it. Everyone knows a new coach will come in next season. My view is that the new coach will have a very, very difficult job meeting the expectations of United with the tools he will have available. I'm welcome to that view.
So did Mourinho do well to come 2nd last year then? Yes or no?
Best of the rest in the league while outspending everyone bar the winners, two embarassing cup exits, and deservedly lost the remaining final. You decide if that's doing well.
I mean why is it so hard for you to write it down again? You'd save me a lot of trouble of having to look for that post.
Who's to say that one of those players they've signed wont be a regular starter and more important player than Henderson/Milner? We don't know but as it stands now, Henderson is still the go to guy for Klopp. After all he was an important part to their last season's surprising CL run.
Should Mourinho be doing much better with the squad he has in his 3rd season here considering he's had £400 million to spend? Is it possible he's at fault for us being so poor or is it all down to the board and the owners?
The average is 6 shots per game against them. Spurs managed 4, Liverpool 7 both at home.
So he spent the 2nd most and came 2nd?
No.
The objective was clearly to challenge for the title, and we were never in the race. Clear failure.
Well a month ago he did see that Martial wasn't wanted by the french national team.
I said from Day One this season would be absolutely wank.
One of those reasons because I think Mourinho is very poor when things don't go his way. He's not one for pragmatism in that sense. There's elements of Borderline and self destruct to his personality when he feels slighted.
Thats why I said if the board weren't going to back him, they should sack him.
I personally feel it was a shame they didn't back him as the evidence that we were improving was there (league position, CL participation etc)
Re: Henderson. Maybe the fact he;s spent 100m on midfielder but he's still the go to guy is one of the reasons they've not won anything yet under him? Don't forget Karius was Klopp's go to guy. Most Liverpool fans I know don't rate Henderson at all and would disgaree with your praise for him and Klopp's continued use of him.
The next few years are going to be tough for you my friend.
There will be a lot of dead bodies to add to Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho before you cotton on...
Unfortunate that he was called up to the French squad recently (only to pull out due to injury) because England would happily take him in.
He's certainly moody enough to play for England.
First, I was against signing Sanchez and Matic, and was glad we didnt sign Perisic becuase I felt we could do better in terms of talent and youth. The logic that since the manager wanted them he should get them does not suffice imo.
For me it was simple math. If you limit signings to 5 per summer to not disrupt the squad, then you would need about 4 summers to overhaul the squad. Adding allowance for the occasional transfer flop and you are looking at a 5 season time line. In that situation, you shouldnt be signing aged players except for free or a real bargain.
Perisic had issues with Klopp earlier in his career from nit getting enough playing time in his opinion. This is nothing new with younger players and he has since grown older and known what he would be getting into at United.
Alderweireld had a major hamstring injury last season. Prior to that, he played 30 and 38 league games in his first two seasons, and has been available for all PL and CL games, playing all except 2 this season. So saying he is plagued by injuries is a misrepresentation and he is beeter than all the CBs we currently have
Would those guys have made us better? I believe yes - Matic and Sanchez did, and, Perisic and Alderweireld would have most likely done so as well. Would we have gotten more than a year out of any of them? likely not and that is why I am not a fan of signing any of them except for Aldeweireld if he is available on the cheap.
Martial didnt play cos there were other players ahead of him. If he was that good and consistent, he would have played more.
Don't worry, we can take it.
The absolute horror show we fans of the club have had to contend with over the last 5 years has conditioned our bodies to take all manner of abuse. We are ready.
All you have to do is look at their goal difference from the start of last season and see that as a football club they've made significant progress. They're actually more of a threat now then they ever have been under Klopp because they can actually defend. They're a bit short to match City, but they're the best of the rest and have been for almost 12 months. Please continue though, it's making me laugh.
Needs to go now. I was starting to warm to him, thought the team showed some spirit and fight in recent weeks, however that performance against City was a disgrace. Not only the performance and tactics were a disgrace, but the team selection was shocking as well. Lingard, Fellaini both starting, a defence of Young, Smalling and Lindelof. This is Mourinho's third season now. We have regressed this season. Needs to go at the end of the season, and he will in my opinion.
Love it how you're deflecting still, avoiding the straight answer. Your not specifically stating he's doing a poor job now, but rather that it's the circumstances are to blame.
We finished 2nd only thanks to our rivals having other priorities, we were kicked out from CL by Seville in most embarrassing of manners and we lost to a decomposing Chelsea in the FA Cup final, all whilst playing some truly terrible, tumescent, soul crushing football.
Besides he's been backed, right? I mean he got Fred, Dalot and Grant.
Listen with Henderson they got to CL final, and one can make a case they were a better team up to the point Salah got injured. Now regarding winning stuff, they sure look much closer to that than us. We won 1 2nd tier and 1 4th tier trophies under Mourinho for all the money he's spent.
Karius was his go to guy before he managed to gather enough resources by selling his best player in order to strengthen his squad. Now imagine Mourinho having to sell his best player in order to strengthen other positions…
This is deflection my friend, your hyprocrisy is astounding.
They got to the CL final, they played one good team to get there. We beat Juventus last week in Turin. If Klopp got that result, this place would have imploded. Klopp hasn't beaten Mourinho yet while they've both been at the respective clubs ffs.
Liverpool smashed City in both legs.
If we beat Juventus in a similar fashion, this place would have been ecstatic(and some already were), but that victory wasn't anything to shout about bar the attitude of the players to not give up.
There is nothing said in this interview that the vast majority of us do not already know. Short of a catastrophic run of results that has us battling relegation, Mourinho will remain in charge until the end of the season.
The idea of him staying on beyond this season is unfathomable. Whether we get top 4 or not, which is looking highly unlikely at present, he simply has to go at the end of the season. No two ways about it.
Who would your choice be as a replacement?
What do you think of Pochettino's style of football?You.
Or Poch.
Or King Eric
I really don't care were you for or against those signings tbh, here we're discussing whether or not would they have improved us and I've made an example of the plauer we've signed that have failed to make an impact. Do you understand you're now arguing your own points? You say manager hasn't got the player he wanted, then you say "the logic that since the manager wanted them, he should get them, doesn't suffice imo". Confusing really.
So 5 players per summer, huh? Do you think that's the right way to go considering how majority of Mourinho's signings is seriously underperforming? Can he be trusted with the overhaul considering the amount of older llayer he's targeting?
Point is, he's had issues with the manager and it wasn't only about playing time. It was reported he also had a falling out with teammates at Inter.
You also realize Toby is not getting any younger so the probability of him getting injured again will keep getting higher and higher, right? Plus hamstring is a nasty one for a football, it keeps coming back. That injury kept him away for over 4 months and Spurs wanted like 70 million for him on his last year of contract.
Holy crap. OK Matić did make us better, for a whole, but Sanchez? You're just pretty much bs-ing now to help you with your narrative. How can you in your right (I assume it's right) mind say that Sanchez has improved us? If anything he not only made us worse on the pitch, but he made us whole lot of issues off the pitch as well. Crazy wages, killed Martial's form, Mourinho's persistence with playing him has cost us points and has cost other players development.
Considering Spurs were one of my favourite teams to watch over the past few years (not so much this season, something is missing) I'd say I rate it very highly.
A high-press, attack-oriented strategy that remains competetive regardless of your opponents. Poch may struggle to implement it into the current United team because our defenders have little to no ability with the ball at their feet, Poch insists on his teams building from the back - Alderweireld and Vertonghen have been just as essential to Spurs as Kane, Erkison, Alli etc .
On United Stand they mentioned something about Jose saying we are a 2nd rate club.
Do you have faith in the current structure of our football club to get the necessary CB's?
Alright let's see.
Liverpool had given up the league in favor of going for CL, only playing enough in the league to help them finish inside the top 4.
Chelsea were in turmoil, manager falling out with the board, players and pretty much everyone.
Arsenal turned into a hot mess the moment in the season it was announced that Wenger is leaving, players just stopped giving any crap.
Spurs are probably the only side that has underperformed but then again their fans will tell you it was mostly down to them having to play on the Wembley.
We were the only side going all in to finish as higher as possible because only that would soften up that huge failure we suffered in CL.
They got to the final beating one good team, we got humiliated by Sevilla…take a moment to reflect.
We managed to beat Juventus thanks to 2 set pieces and them missing a shiitload of chance, not because we were the better team, because we weren't.
Yes.
Poch wouldn't join unless he was assured the funds would be made available to restructure the backline entirely. I'm almost certain of that.
Trippier played the wrong pass and put Toby under pressure, a situation he was obviously less suited to handle. That speaks to his ability on the ball and playing out from defence, not his defensive capability. What you failed to mention, was his recovery to put in the tackle, and that spoke more to his abilities as a defender
Of course having more possession limits opportunities for the opponent and thus would affect your defensive performance. This is the premise of total football which is the foundation for the likes of LvG and Pep. One can argue for and against different football philosophies, but for me I care more about what you do with the ball than you having possession for having sake.
As to playing from the back vs hoof ball, I prefer a team be able to do both, as each has their pros and cons. As shown by the PSV goal, trying to play out of the back under a high press can have serious consequences. Under a high press, you would be better served hoofing the ball and having people upfront that can win the ball. A high press leaves the opposition midfield undermanned and can easily be exploited if the ball is delivered into the final third quickly enough. Even if you lose possession, it is far from your goal than losing it in your own 3rd. Summary, build from the back when their is no press, but hoof the ball if the high press is coming.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm of the opinion that we have clear and serious structural issues at the club, and I've voiced that opinion clearly in the Woodward thread, among others. Probably in here as well.
That doesn't mean that Mourinho is doing a good enough job though, and until (if) the Glazers realise the problems, is a managerial messiah who can shine even with the odds stacked against him is the best we can hope for.
Does Pochettino identify the players to buy at Tottenham?
The issue is it is very unlikely they can put their next choice in place during the season - if they have one - most managers are not available until the Summer.
HAHA ok mate your on a wum can't be bothered any more.
Of course he does, but he has worked with DoF's in the past and successfully, too.
If United are to recruit a DoF for next season, I'm sure Poch will take no issue with that.
and why wasnt he given those minutes?
The manager picks the players for feck sake. Why do you keep trying to believe everyone but mourinho choose his transfers. This is the only transfer window where Jose didn't get exactly what he wanted so he had 3 other transfer windows to buy the defenders he wanted.
So the next manager coming in I would expect to only need 1 or 2 windows to find the defenders he wants the same way pep did.
We had a chance getting him this summer before he renewed and I'm afraid that ship has sailed now. It's impossible to negotiate with that bald prick Levy and especially for english clubs. If the club would want him it would come down to us paying out his contract and there is no way Woodward will pay that 35m fee or whatever it is. It would imo be better to contact Zidane asap and persuade him to join like City did with Pep. If he doesn't want to then fine look at other alternatives but they need to start planning for the next man right now. Give Jose till the end of the season and part ways. Give him another 3 years and I can guarantee 2nd 19 points off was the best he could achieve. He should have come in when Fergie left and I can guarantee we would not be in this position now as the transition would have been a lot smoother but it is what it is. Wether people like him or not he will be gone come May.
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